Anakin vs DN Luke (Saber Battle)

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Originally posted by Enyalus
Thanks to Vaapad, yes. He can.

But really, you're saying he can absolutely destroy Dooku, who could compete and do well against Yoda in a saber battle...but he can't do similar to Sidious? After Anakin is stronger? That makes no sense.


Vaapad is a saber and dueling technique. it doesn't enhance your force powers and won't increase the potency of your force ability.

And ask Lucas, not me. A full out Anakin overpowers Dooku physically with his technique. Lucas says you need to be Yoda or Mace to compete with Palpatine. No distinction between Force or Saber, just 'compete.'

Anakin cannot.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon

Meanwhile, Anakin never displayed that sort of speed advantage over Dooku. He won thanks to stamina, force reserves, and sheer brute power. He ISN'T as fast as either Yoda, Sidious, or Mace, even if Mace isn't 'immersed in Vaapad'.

QFT

Meanwhile, Anakin never displayed that sort of speed advantage over Dooku. He won thanks to stamina, force reserves, and sheer brute power.

I thought I recalled him not only being stronger than Dooku and overpowering him, but being faster that he could compensate for....I don't have quotes offhand though, so I'll let it go.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I thought I recalled him not only being stronger than Dooku and overpowering him, but being faster that he could compensate for....I don't have quotes offhand though, so I'll let it go.

Goodie. 🙂

Originally posted by Lightsnake
"You have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the emperor."

Anakin is absent from that statement. Palpatine takes him.

no Anakin wasnt absent from that statement, if you bothered to quote the WHOLE STATEMENT!

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the emporer. Anakin COULD HAVE defeated him had he not been injured!!"

Lucas didnt make it clear in that statement if he was talking about during ROTS or a long time afterwards.. but there was no mention there of some far off period in the future, or of Potential. and if he was talking about his potential for the future then he clearly would have stated "WOULD HAVE defeated him" and not "COULD HAVE"

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Purr-lease. First off, when Yoda and Dooku dueled, many would tell you that Yoda was holding back. Even on Djun, a planet extremely powerful in the dark side, when Dooku assaulted Yoda- with the full intent to kill- Yoda held back and refused to kill his own Padawan, and despite all that, he owned Dooku.

Anakin's a great saber combatant, but when he faces against people like Yoda and Sidious, he's simply doesn't have the speed, agility, and reflexes necessary to take care of 'em. First off, I need you to prove that Anakin defeated Dooku thanks to any advantages in speed. Yoda was obviously outclassing and dodging the vast majority of Dooku's attacks (I can provide some quotes from the AotC novel, if you want me to), and he only stalemated with Sidious in terms of speed.

Meanwhile, Anakin never displayed that sort of speed advantage over Dooku. He won thanks to stamina, force reserves, and sheer brute power. He ISN'T as fast as either Yoda, Sidious, or Mace, even if Mace isn't 'immersed in Vaapad'.

I fear your underestimating the Great Count here!! this is blasphemy and must be addressed.

Yes I agree Yoda was holding back to a certain extent agianst Dooku in AOTC, in the sense that he didnt go completely ALL OUT like he did against Sidious, which was assination attempt. Whilst against Dooku his mission was to "Capture him".

That being said it was an extremely important mission to Capture him.. "Capture Dooku we MUST!" as in he had to stop him. and lets not forget Anakin could have "Captured Dooku" if he chose so, i.e you can chop the guys arms and legs off and still Capture him. So though he was holding back to an extent, he clearly wasnt holding back a great amount.

Also you mentioned the AOTC novel.. well did you miss the part of the where Dooku also held his own against Yodas onslaught. though later he was being forced back.

It also clearly stated that Yoda was "Exhausted" after his battle with Dooku. Also in Schism a few weeks after AOTC Yoda states to Mace Windu that he does not need to practice sparring as he had enough practice with Count Dooku!

As for Vjun a lot of people tend to miss that the Dark environment there was making Yoda a lot more fierce than he usually is.

Also he was going to kill him there "LOve you enough to kill you I do.."

So clealry the fight wasnt a breeze for him, and Dooku clearly has the speed and power to compete with Yoda, (though not defeat him).

And anyone like Anakin who can defeat the Count, would have a chance at least against Yoda (in Sabers Only).

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I fear your underestimating the Great Count here!! this is blasphemy and must be addressed.

Yes I agree Yoda was holding back to a certain extent agianst Dooku in AOTC, in the sense that he didnt go completely ALL OUT like he did against Sidious, which was assination attempt. Whilst against Dooku his mission was to "Capture him".

That being said it was an extremely important mission to Capture him.. "Capture Dooku we MUST!" as in he had to stop him. and lets not forget Anakin could have "Captured Dooku" if he chose so, i.e you can chop the guys arms and legs off and still Capture him. So though he was holding back to an extent, he clearly wasnt holding back a great amount.

Also you mentioned the AOTC novel.. well did you miss the part of the where Dooku also held his own against Yodas onslaught. though later he was being forced back.

It also clearly stated that Yoda was "Exhausted" after his battle with Dooku. Also in Schism a few weeks after AOTC Yoda states to Mace Windu that he does not need to practice sparring as he had enough practice with Count Dooku!

As for Vjun a lot of people tend to miss that the Dark environment there was making Yoda a lot more fierce than he usually is.

Also he was going to kill him there "LOve you enough to kill you I do.."

So clealry the fight wasnt a breeze for him, and Dooku clearly has the speed and power to compete with Yoda, (though not defeat him).

And anyone like Anakin who can defeat the Count, would have a chance at least against Yoda (in Sabers Only).

So, err... fighting against Dooku is like practice for Yoda?

In addition, the fact remains that while on Vjun, despite being empowered by the dark side to the point that it was described as 'malice made visible-wickedness cut in red light'- Yoda still beat his ass down, overwhelming him and causing him to resort to the missle in orbit. Here is the exact paragraph:

"Pushing Dooku back yet again, blades flashed and flared stutters of light, blood red and sea green. Sweat ran in streams through Dooku's beard as he countered Yoda's every move, and his lips were white. Holobattles raged around them as the consoles showed Obi-Wan and Anakin clashing with wave after wave of battle droids. Dooku shot a quick glance at the red button on his desk and, with a Force push, he punched it in."

Even in the dark side planet of Vjun, Dooku still wasn't a match for Yoda. I doubt that he will be an extreme challenge for Yoda if they ever fought again, on a neutral planet.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
So, err... fighting against Dooku is like practice for Yoda?

In addition, the fact remains that while on Vjun, despite being empowered by the dark side to the point that it was described as 'malice made visible-wickedness cut in red light'- Yoda still beat his ass down, overwhelming him and causing him to resort to the missle in orbit. Here is the exact paragraph:

"Pushing Dooku back yet again, blades flashed and flared stutters of light, blood red and sea green. Sweat ran in streams through Dooku's beard as he countered Yoda's every move, and his lips were white. Holobattles raged around them as the consoles showed Obi-Wan and Anakin clashing with wave after wave of battle droids. Dooku shot a quick glance at the red button on his desk and, with a Force push, he punched it in."

Even in the dark side planet of Vjun, Dooku still wasn't a match for Yoda. I doubt that he will be an extreme challenge for Yoda if they ever fought again, on a neutral planet.

Fighting Dooku was like a Good Enough sparring session for Yoda. Good enough that he doesnt feel like he needs to spar again for a while.

Note the AOTC novel stated Yoda to be exhausted after the fight. and though Dooku was loosing, he was fast and good enough to deflect/parry all Yodas attacks.

and on Vjun the novel said "slowly, slowly, Dooku gave ground.."

so Yoda was overpowering Dooku, but Slowly.. and this is when Yoda fully admiited he was trying to kill Dooku, and when the Darkside was affecting Yoda making him much more fierce and ruthless than he usually is.

And Anakin was Even More Powerful than Dooku in Sabers.. so much more that Dookus superior duelling skill and Knowledge of the Force became "a joke.." So really how much More powerful than Dooku in Sabers do you think Yoda can handle??

Originally posted by Kotor3
I have seen on many threads Dooku being an equal or match for Mace and Yoda in saber combat. If the above statement is to be taken literally then Dooku should be excluded also.

No because he was talking about which Jedis Mace should have taken with him to face Sidious. so 1. Dookus not a jedi. 2. Dooku was dead.

So please read Lucas's statements in context.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
no Anakin wasnt absent from that statement, if you bothered to quote the WHOLE STATEMENT!

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the emporer. Anakin COULD HAVE defeated him had he not been injured!!"

Lucas didnt make it clear in that statement if he was talking about during ROTS or a long time afterwards.. but there was no mention there of some far off period in the future, or of Potential. and if he was talking about his potential for the future then he clearly would have stated "WOULD HAVE defeated him" and not "COULD HAVE"

Merci, Monsieur Power.

So then, I stand by what I said. Anakin can compete, and defeat, Sidious in sabers. And the next time one of you attempts to use a half-assed GL quote against me claiming it to be canon and that's that, I'm going to get very angry. And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry. 😈

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No because he was talking about which Jedis Mace should have taken with him to face Sidious. so 1. Dookus not a jedi. 2. Dooku was dead.

So please read Lucas's statements in context.

Darth Power I am not sure of what you are referring to. I believe you have misunderstood my statement. My statement is one of observation. I was referring to the many quotes or posts that I have read from members within KMC, like you, who feel that Dooku can compete with Sidious, Yoda, and Mace in a saber battle.

You should note that I said if we are to take Lucas quote literally.

Not sure if this clarifies my statement for you.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Fighting Dooku was like a Good Enough sparring session for Yoda. Good enough that he doesnt feel like he needs to spar again for a while.

Note the AOTC novel stated Yoda to be exhausted after the fight. and though Dooku was loosing, he was fast and good enough to deflect/parry all Yodas attacks.

and on Vjun the novel said "slowly, slowly, Dooku gave ground.."

so Yoda was overpowering Dooku, but Slowly.. and this is when Yoda fully admiited he was trying to kill Dooku, and when the Darkside was affecting Yoda making him much more fierce and ruthless than he usually is.

And Anakin was Even More Powerful than Dooku in Sabers.. so much more that Dookus superior duelling skill and Knowledge of the Force became "a joke.." So really how much More powerful than Dooku in Sabers do you think Yoda can handle??

Look. Fighting Dooku might have 'exhausted' Yoda or whatever, but check out the description of their fight from the Attack of the Clones Novel:

"
Dooku went into a wild flurry then, the likes of which he had not shown against Obi-Wan or Anakin, raining blows at the diminutive Master. But Yoda didn't even seem to move. He didn't step back or to the side, yet his subtle dodges and precision parries kept Dooku's blade slashing and stabbing harmlessly wide.

It went on and on for many moments, but eventually Dooku's flurry began to slow, and the Count, recognizing the Futility of this attempt to overwhelm, stepped back fast.

Not fast enough.

With a sudden burst of sheer power, Master Yoda flew forward, his blade working so mightily that its residual glow outshone even those of both of Anakin's lightsabers when he was at the peak of his dance. Dooku held strong, though, his red blade parrying brilliantly, each block backed by the power of the Force, or else Yoda's strikes would have driven right through.

Just as he was about to launch a counter, though, Yoda was gone, leaping high and turning a somersault to land right behind Dooku, in perfect balance, striking hard.

Dooku reversed his grip and stabbed out behind him, intercepting the blow. He let go of his weapon altogether, tossing it just a bit, and spun about, catching it before it had even disengaged from Yoda's blade.

With a growl of rage, Dooku reached more deeply into the Force, letting it flow through him as if his physical form was a mere conduit for its power. His tempo increased suddenly and dramatically, three steps forward, two back, perfectly balanced all the while. His fighting style was one based on balance, on the back-and-forth charges, thrusts and sudden retreats, and now he came at Yoda with a series of cunning stabs, angled left and right.

Never could he strike low, though, for never did Yoda seem to be on the ground, leaping and spinning, flying all about, parrying each blow and offering cunning counters that had Dooku skipping backward desperately.

Dooku stabbed up high, turning the angle of his lightsaber in anticipation that Yoda would dodge left. But Yoda, as if in complete anticipation of the movement, veered neither left nor right, but rather, dropped to the ground. The Count had already retracted the missed thrust, and began a second stab, this time down low, but Yoda had anticipated that, too, and went right back up behind the stabbing blade.

A sudden stab by Yoda had Dooku quick-stepping back even more off-balance, for the first time, and then Yoda flew away, up and back.

The furious Dooku pursued, thrusting hard for Yoda's head. And in his rage when his stab missed yet again, he reverted to a slashing attack.

Yoda's green blade caught the blow, holding the red lightsaber at bay, locking the two in a contest of strength, physical and of the Force."

Really, this entire friggin' fight description describes just how much Yoda is kicking Dooku's ass, overwhelming him, causing him to lose balance and become 'furious'. All with Yoda only wanting to 'capture' Dooku, not kill him, while Dooku was pissed off and bloodlusted.

To claim that Dooku is any sort of match for Yoda is absurd.

Yeah, Enyalus, Anakin can't beat Yoda, Sidious, or Mace. I'm gonna make you angry.

Of course Dooku is not Yodas equal. I wuld never claim that he was. But Dooku did manage to parry off all Yodas attacks, so obviously does have the speed and power to fight him, and even exhaust him. So thats why I say Anakin(Dookus superior in Saber combat) wuld certainly have a chance against Yoda/Sidious in Saber Combat, and Saber Combat Alone.

and like i already sed he can "Capture" Dooku with his hands chopped off just like Anakin did. Yet Anakin wasnt holding back. So I doubt Yoda was holding back an Awful lot.

And yes Anakin could beat Mace. Anakin was Arguably the Most Powerful Jedi alive even in Mace's opinion. Stop making Mace an equal to Yoda and Sidious. Mace is equal to Dooku in Lightsaber combat according to Dark Rendevouz.

he was only temporarily equal to Sidious in saber combat while fighting him thanks to Vapaad's superconducting loop it makes with a darksider.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Of course Dooku is not Yodas equal. I wuld never claim that he was. But Dooku did manage to parry off all Yodas attacks, so obviously does have the speed and power to fight him, and even exhaust him. So thats why I say Anakin(Dookus superior in Saber combat) wuld certainly have a chance against Yoda/Sidious in Saber Combat, and Saber Combat Alone.

and like i already sed he can "Capture" Dooku with his hands chopped off just like Anakin did. Yet Anakin wasnt holding back. So I doubt Yoda was holding back an Awful lot.

And yes Anakin could beat Mace. Anakin was Arguably the Most Powerful Jedi alive even in Mace's opinion. Stop making Mace an equal to Yoda and Sidious. Mace is equal to Dooku in Lightsaber combat according to Dark Rendevouz.

he was only temporarily equal to Sidious in saber combat while fighting him thanks to Vapaad's superconducting loop it makes with a darksider.

Anakin = Dark Side. Vaapad = Works well against dark siders. Conclusion?

Plus, Mace is a lot physically stronger, more durable, and faster than Dooku- Anakin will not be able to beat him into submission, or exhaust him. Certainly not as he did to Dooku.

And Anakin aimed to kill Dooku; he was going all-out, Yoda wasn't. Both outclassed Dooku, and, actually, when Yoda wanted to, he simply jumped and leapt all over Dooku, easily dodging or blocking Dooku's attacks.

Still, it's tough to compare their respective fights with Dooku. Nontheless, Yoda is faster, far more agile, and even HIS attacks would have driven through Dooku's defenses if the Count did not utilize the force. See a similarity to the fight with Anakin?

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
And Anakin aimed to kill Dooku; he was going all-out, Yoda wasn't. Both outclassed Dooku, and, actually, when Yoda wanted to, he simply jumped and leapt all over Dooku, easily dodging or blocking Dooku's attacks.

Still, it's tough to compare their respective fights with Dooku. Nontheless, Yoda is faster, far more agile, and even HIS attacks would have driven through Dooku's defenses if the Count did not utilize the force. See a similarity to the fight with Anakin?

Yeah, they would have driven through his defenses if he hadn't been backed by the Force. But Anakin's did go through Dooku's defenses, even backed by the Force. Moreover, how is the fight you posted much different than the Anakin vs. Dooku battle? Both were winning. Anakin, though, crushed him. Much more convincing than what Yoda was able to do. And I understand that Yoda wasn't going for the kill in that particular battle (on Vjun it was a different story) and that Anakin was, but Anakin also wasn't Vader during that battle. And pre-suit Vader is in fact more powerful than Anakin.

One of the sourcebooks (Dark Side Sourcebook?) ranks Anakin's saber skills at 8, while pre-suit Vader is rated a 9...on the same level as Yoda and Sidious. And if Dooku is able to keep up with Yoda, and Anakin was able to destroy Dooku, and Anakin's only grown stronger and better saber-wise - then yes, he'd be able to beat Sidious and Yoda in a pure duel.

KOTOR3's original post was probably referring to this battle, in which I had specified ROTS Vader/Anakin as a Dark Sider.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Yeah, they would have driven through his defenses if he hadn't been backed by the Force. But Anakin's did go through Dooku's defenses, even backed by the Force. Moreover, how is the fight you posted much different than the Anakin vs. Dooku battle? Both were winning. Anakin, though, crushed him. Much more convincing than what Yoda was able to do. And I understand that Yoda wasn't going for the kill in that particular battle (on Vjun it was a different story) and that Anakin was, but Anakin also wasn't Vader during that battle. And pre-suit Vader is in fact more powerful than Anakin.

One of the sourcebooks (Dark Side Sourcebook?) ranks Anakin's saber skills at 8, while pre-suit Vader is rated a 9...on the same level as Yoda and Sidious. And if Dooku is able to keep up with Yoda, and Anakin was able to destroy Dooku, and Anakin's only grown stronger and better saber-wise - then yes, he'd be able to beat Sidious and Yoda in a pure duel.

KOTOR3's original post was probably referring to this battle, in which I had specified ROTS Vader/Anakin as a Dark Sider.

First; against Palpatine, Anakin would be forced to go 'in teh zone' and 'crystal clear' in order to even stand a hope of outduelling Sidious; he wasn't able to focus while fighting against Obi-Wan, who is most decidedly inferior to both Sidious and Yoda. A simple taunt is all that's necessary to make Anakin go crazy, lose his concentration, and be killed by the infinitely more cunning, crafty, and intelligent Sidious.

Still, Yoda DESTROYED Dooku, as well. Dooku wasn't able to get in a position of advantage during the entire duel, and while Anakin was an enraged combatant, Yoda was calm, focused, and unwilling to kill or to harm Count Dooku. Yoda simply jumped circles all over him; Dooku, aware of the fact that he could not win, escaped. Even on Vjun, the regularly arrogant Dooku created the missle, knowing Yoda was simply too much for him.

Yeah. Not only that, but your A>B>C logical fails utterly EPICALLY, considering that Sidious and Yoda are faster, more physical, have better reflexes, are more agile, and have superior force reserves in comparison to Dooku; aside from brute strength and unyielding power, Anakin's got nuthin' on them.

I do not know why there is confusion over my statement. I am referring to comments made by many people in KMC. I am not going to copy all those posts from many threads to confirm my statement.

In a thread that I created called Saber Combat Tournament, see a quote from Master Crimzon.

Umm... Sidious, Yoda, Mace? Did they get sucked by a black hole while I wasn't looking (*bad end of the world joke*)?

All of them can arguably beat Bane in a lightsaber duel- Sidious and Yoda thanks to their uberzzz speed, Mace thanks to his Vaapad/Shatterpoint.

Here goes, anyway:

Round One:

ROTS Anakin vs Ulic- Anakin

Exar Kun vs Malak- Exar Kun

Kas'im vs Obi Wan- Kas'im

Bane vs Dooku- RoT Bane? PoD Bane? If the former, Bane, if the latter, Dooku. I'll assume it's RoT, so in that case, Bane wins.

ROTS Yoda vs ROTS Sidious- Could go either way. They are complete equals.

Mace vs Maul- Mace

Qui Gon vs Sion- Qui-Gon

Jacen Solo vs Post Kotor Revan- Jacen Solo

Second Round:

Anakin vs. Exar Kun- Anakin

Kas'im vs. RoT Bane- Bane

Winner of Yoda vs Sidious will face either Mace or Maul- If Yoda makes it, he beats Mace. If Sidious makes it, it could go either way.

Qui-Gon vs. Jacen- Jacen

Third Round:

Anakin vs. Bane vs. Yoda/Sidious/Mace (any of them can be here) vs. Jacen- Well, this is a toughie, but ultimately, I'm leaning towards whoever of the PT top 3 makes it here. Bane and Jacen also have a very definite chance."

One thing I notice in Master Crimzon statement is that when is comes down to the final four he starts off by saying "this is a toughie" then he states "Bane" who he pick to defeat Dooku and Kas'im has a definite chance against the PT top 3. Even Jacen has a definite chance but not Anakin who actually defeated Dooku.

Unless Bane is held much higher in regards to saber skills than Anakin I do not see how Anakin does not have a chance or cannot compete with PT top 3.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not know why there is confusion over my statement. I am referring to comments made by many people in KMC. I am not going to copy all those posts from many threads to confirm my statement.

In a thread that I created called Saber Combat Tournament, see a quote from Master Crimzon.

Umm... Sidious, Yoda, Mace? Did they get sucked by a black hole while I wasn't looking (*bad end of the world joke*)?

All of them can arguably beat Bane in a lightsaber duel- Sidious and Yoda thanks to their uberzzz speed, Mace thanks to his Vaapad/Shatterpoint.

Here goes, anyway:

Round One:

ROTS Anakin vs Ulic- Anakin

Exar Kun vs Malak- Exar Kun

Kas'im vs Obi Wan- Kas'im

Bane vs Dooku- RoT Bane? PoD Bane? If the former, Bane, if the latter, Dooku. I'll assume it's RoT, so in that case, Bane wins.

ROTS Yoda vs ROTS Sidious- Could go either way. They are complete equals.

Mace vs Maul- Mace

Qui Gon vs Sion- Qui-Gon

Jacen Solo vs Post Kotor Revan- Jacen Solo

Second Round:

Anakin vs. Exar Kun- Anakin

Kas'im vs. RoT Bane- Bane

Winner of Yoda vs Sidious will face either Mace or Maul- If Yoda makes it, he beats Mace. If Sidious makes it, it could go either way.

Qui-Gon vs. Jacen- Jacen

Third Round:

Anakin vs. Bane vs. Yoda/Sidious/Mace (any of them can be here) vs. Jacen- Well, this is a toughie, but ultimately, I'm leaning towards whoever of the PT top 3 makes it here. Bane and Jacen also have a very definite chance."

One thing I notice in Master Crimzon statement is that when is comes down to the final four he starts off by saying "this is a toughie" then he states "Bane" who he pick to defeat Dooku and Kas'im has a definite chance against the PT top 3. Even Jacen has a definite chance but not Anakin who actually defeated Dooku.

Unless Bane is held much higher in regards to saber skills than Anakin I do not see how Anakin does not have a chance or cannot compete with PT top 3.

Orbalisks.

'Nuff said. Bane is faster, more built, and has reserves of stamina perhaps equal to Anakin's own, but orbalisks seal the deal. Anakin's style is relatively impercise and focuses on strength over finesse and accuracy; he simply won't be able to get past Bane's orbalisks, and will end up with a dismembered, mutiliated body. The PT greats have, in the case of Yoda and Sidious, speeds in excess of Bane's, and are more agile, giving them the potential ability to destroy Bane's lightsaber, de-hand him, or cut off his head. Mace? Vaapad will give him the ability to physically compete with Bane, and Shatterpoint will provide him with the ability to strike at one of Bane's spots of weakness.

Yeah. Ironic, how I went into a rant after I said 'nuff said'. Lolz.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Orbalisks.

'Nuff said. Bane is faster, more built, and has reserves of stamina perhaps equal to Anakin's own, but orbalisks seal the deal. Anakin's style is relatively impercise and focuses on strength over finesse and accuracy; he simply won't be able to get past Bane's orbalisks, and will end up with a dismembered, mutiliated body. The PT greats have, in the case of Yoda and Sidious, speeds in excess of Bane's, and are more agile, giving them the potential ability to destroy Bane's lightsaber, de-hand him, or cut off his head. Mace? Vaapad will give him the ability to physically compete with Bane, and Shatterpoint will provide him with the ability to strike at one of Bane's spots of weakness.

Yeah. Ironic, how I went into a rant after I said 'nuff said'. Lolz.

Good explanation! I wait to see the responses.

this is kinda ridiculous isn't it? The ROTS anakin vs. Mace , and therefore vs. sidious has been settled long ago... Honestly, Anakin's main claim to fame IS defeating Dooku. A fight in which dooku, for much of the match, faced 2 opponents, took a beating before managing to disable Kenobi, and Still held the advantage over Anakin, until, trying to turn anakin to the dark-side, he unwittingly gave anakin the focus he needed to defeat Dooku. Basically Dooku taunted anakin into killing dooku. He also showed the ability to unfocus Anakin whenever he wanted to. He only lost the ability near the end of the fight when he didn't have time for words.

Sidious was disarmed and defeated by windu, sidious being an opponent that Yoda was unable to defeat, but was able to stalemate.

To say anakin could compete with sidious is absurd as saying Obi-wan could. Obi-Wan could NOT compete with sidious, quoted by Yoda. It's pretty simple, if anakin can't be kenobi, he's not going to beat sidious, and he most certiainly isn't going to beat Mace unless he sucker attacks him and costs him an arm again...