Revan Vs Starkiller (at his awesome prime)

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Oh my, I really need to read that Campaign guide. From what you quoted it all sounds very detailed, I wonder what it would say about the duel with Malak on the Star Forge. Maybe something like 'Revan kills Malak'.

Please do read the book.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Btw, the Star Wars Databank says this: Bandon was killed by agents of the Republic searching for the location of Darth Malak's secret source of power, the Star Forge.

Doesn’t quite flow with the Campaign Guide. Agents? Plural? Doesn’t even mention Revan? What’s happening!

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Doesn’t make her great with a lightsaber, and being heroic also isn’t really a way to show how great her powers are.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Okay, so Jedi Sentinels are good for close-assault combat action, does that make her stand out in terms of combat?

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Enhanced her experience. Okay, is it proven that she fought a lot with him?

From the databank:

"The quest for the Star Forge, which spanned worlds, kept Revan and Bastila working side-by-side, and thrust Bastila into difficult and challenging roles as a Jedi."

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
She would fail terribly if Malak didn’t interfere, along with the other no name Jedi. When did Jolee Bindo say he ‘recognized’ her strength?

Jolee Bindo admitted that she was "strong." Even Malak admitted this.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Yeah, overconfidence is a powerful human trait. Definitely of the Dark Side.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Because Revan is just the best of his era and can’t afford to have Bastila (one feat wonder) beat him.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Okay, be sure you find something that states Revan defeated Uthar on his own. Wouldn’t want to fail now, I’m actually very impressed with your use of the Campaign Guide so far.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Equal power? Isn’t that a little bit diminishing for Revan to be equal to a non Force user…

People fear Boba Fett too.

The fight took place probably on equal footing. Revan destroyed the most powerful bounty hunter of his age. It proves that he was better.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
Did I say it was?

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
We all know Revan was the top dog of his era, but the question is how he compares to characters of other era’s, especially Galen ‘overpowered’ Marek in this case who beat Vader.

However lets analyze a liittle bit:

Starkiller killed some Jedi Masters and also defeated Vader. The books also point out that he is a TK prodigy. He is a skilled duelist too. He is among the most powerful Force uers in Star Wars galaxy in his time. He is certainly very impressive. His stats have been revealed too.

Revan was also strong in the Force and proved to be a skilled warrior by defeating several accomplished warriors of his time including Sith Lords. Even when conditions were favorable for his foes, they still lost to him. His command on the Force and knowledge earned him respect from notable individuals no less than Vader: Darth Traya, and Darth Bane. Even the ancients were impressed by him. This proves that he was powerful enough to be worthy of recognition. Now recently some Star Wars authors defined his stats and powers. It is a positive move and we now know that what Revan actually knew in terms of techniques and what are his strengths. I am hoping that more will be revealed with pasage of time.

I think that circumstances will play a role in this fight. However Revan is a brilliant tactician too, so he has an edge.

Leeland Chee clearly stated that you can compare characters through their stats, if novels and comices are absent for them. I posted the stats of both characters in this thread.

SW_Legend, you are cutting your own throat every time you talk up bastilla. If she was just a padawan, why the heck was she on a DLOTS destroying strike team? The closer to the top of the order she was, the worse it makes the rest of the Jedi Order look. (considering she was a padawan, and didn't advance beyond that during the game)

By strengthening Bastilla (a padawan) you are weakening the KOTOR era. (especially considering how much the master's depended on her, Malak made it a point of emphasis to take her out, and Vandar pretty much thinks they are doomed when she starts using BM on the Star Forge.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

According to the information we have, we know both of them are powerful and accomplished warriors. The duel would be tough.

Will he put up a good fight? Yes, thats for sure

@True Jedi

I mean come on, this is the incredible sw legend, he is going to do almost anything to prove revan is uber and l33t.

Hell he is preaching revans ub3rness even more than desperate christians trying to get people to join their church.

its true man. However, i just thought of this whole bastilla thing tonight. Why was she there? Perhaps the KOTOR era WAS actually really weak.

I believe it was except for the few people like revan,malak, kreia sion nihilus.

Bastila is simply nothing more than an average jedi with an extraordinary gift.

And i don't understand why he has to claim revan killing calo nord his so incredible, hell his party was there and for all we know he may have simply delivered the killing blow when his entire party attacked him.

As Revan grows more powerful, Darth Malak orders Darth Bandon to seek out and destroy Revan and his companions. With two dark side cronies in tow, Bandon confronts Revan but is killed by the former Sith Lord

Funny how he takes this too literally, hitler was stated to have killed millions of jews, but in reality, it was his army that did the job and "hitler" was quoted because he IS the leader of the nazi's.

Being killed by the "former sith lord" could also be being killed by "the former sith lords party".

Originally posted by truejedi
SW_Legend, you are cutting your own throat every time you talk up bastilla. If she was just a padawan, why the heck was she on a DLOTS destroying strike team? The closer to the top of the order she was, the worse it makes the rest of the Jedi Order look. (considering she was a padawan, and didn't advance beyond that during the game)

By strengthening Bastilla (a padawan) you are weakening the KOTOR era. (especially considering how much the master's depended on her, Malak made it a point of emphasis to take her out, and Vandar pretty much thinks they are doomed when she starts using BM on the Star Forge.

Obi-Wan managed to kill Darth Maul while being a padawan. And soon after that he became Anakin's mentor too.

Here is another case: during the Clone Wars, Anakin Skywalker was allowed to be part of the Jedi Council but he was not granted the rank of "Jedi Master." Was he not worthy of that title even after he tutored Ahsoka Tanno?

Heck even Revan was declared as "The Prodigal Knight" after he helped The Republic to defeat the "Sith Empire." I am sure that he was more powerful than most Jedi Masters of his time and prior.

Bastilla Shan was with an entire "Strike Team" sent to deal with Revan. She did took out a Revan's Dark Jedi in front of him. She was certainly a skilled combatant. I don't understand that why you people under-rate her so much.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Does rankings matter more than abilities of a person?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Obi-Wan managed to kill Darth Maul while being a padawan. And soon after that he became Anakin's mentor.

And don't compare an average jane to obi-frickin-wan.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Heck, Revan was declared a "Prodigal Knight" after helped the Republic to defeat the Sith Empire. I am sure that he was more poweful than most Jedi Masters of his time.

And of course he is more powerful than a bunch of no named jedi masters.

Hell there is enough to even conclude that the unidentified sith in the old republic trailer is a superior combatant to revan.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Bastilla Shan was with an entire "Strike Team" sent to deal with Revan. She did took out a Revan's Dark Jedi in front of him. She was certainly a skilled combatant.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

I don't understand that why you people under-rate her so much?

if we dont underrate her, than it appears as though she was one of the most powerful jedi in the galaxy at the time of KOTOR, and she was captured and turned to the dark side in a matter of DAYS by Darth Malak. Makes the Jedi pathetic. Makes the Era pathetic. She cannot have been THAT uber without the KOTOR era sucking.

Originally posted by truejedi
if we dont underrate her, than it appears as though she was one of the most powerful jedi in the galaxy at the time of KOTOR, and she was captured and turned to the dark side in a matter of DAYS by Darth Malak. Makes the Jedi pathetic. Makes the Era pathetic. She cannot have been THAT uber without the KOTOR era sucking.

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Originally posted by Wolverine2179
I believe it was except for the few people like revan,malak, kreia sion nihilus.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Bastila is simply nothing more than an average jedi with an extraordinary gift.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
And i don't understand why he has to claim revan killing calo nord his so incredible, hell his party was there and for all we know he may have simply delivered the killing blow when his entire party attacked him.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Funny how he takes this too literally, hitler was stated to have killed millions of jews, but in reality, it was his army that did the job and "hitler" was quoted because he IS the leader of the nazi's.

Re-check these lines: "With two dark side cronies in tow, Bandon confronts Revan but is killed by the former Sith Lord."

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Being killed by the "former sith lord" could also be being killed by "the former sith lords party".

Originally posted by truejedi
if we dont underrate her, than it appears as though she was one of the most powerful jedi in the galaxy at the time of KOTOR, and she was captured and turned to the dark side in a matter of DAYS by Darth Malak. Makes the Jedi pathetic. Makes the Era pathetic. She cannot have been THAT uber without the KOTOR era sucking.

Darth Malak was too powerful for her. It is as simple as that. Also, Bastilla Shan got more vulnerable to the taint of the dark side while she forged a bond with Revan. However, the interesting part is that even Malak admitted to Bastilla that she was "strong."

ur really reaching here man.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Irrelevant ranting. Nothing informative.

Please do read the book.

You say it’s irrelevant because you do not even understand where I’m going. I was comparing it to the duel between Malak and Revan because just like that one, we do not have enough details about the fight. If that is the only information we have about the fight, it can be said that Revan didn’t even switch on his lightsaber, but just used dirty tricks to take out Bandon. Now you’re probably gonna spew nonsense like “but that isn’t logical.” No, but it is possible. I’m sure you have some source with the actual fight in it, mind giving it?

Star Wars databank does not necessarily delves in to specifics. What actually happened is described in the KOTOR book. And Revan and his team mates were actually "agents" of the Republic. It is just a label. Clearly you have no clue of what you are talking about. Better leave the debate instead of wasting time on things you do not properly understand.

Maybe you should leave the debate and come back when you can see everything objective and not as the Revan fanboy. Again, it say agents in plural and I guess the Star Wars databank can be more trusted. This KOTOR book is the Campaign Guide? That one really delves into specifics, Revan killed Bandon. Too many details.

She was somebody though and famous too in her time. Better than average joe you can say.

Other era’s are filled with somebodies, and Galen Marek could take almost any of them. Plus being famous doesn’t mean she is among the greats, it means she has one powerful feat. I’d say Trawn is famous too, but that doesn’t mean he is powerful.

And like truejedi said, it really says a lot about the KotOR era if Bastila would be considered great.

No she was busy in lousy activities while Revan was bracing against the evil forces. She was with him to lend some help and and obviously she would have learned a lot through Revan. Just like Anakin learned a lot through Obi-Wan.

From the databank:

"The quest for the Star Forge, which spanned worlds, kept Revan and Bastila working side-by-side, and thrust Bastila into difficult and challenging roles as a Jedi."

This may have enhanced her experience, but just proof by how much. You’re entering a realm of speculation when you start like this.

Of-course! Darth Revan would have won if the battle had happened. He was simply too powerful.

I never denied Revan being powerful, I even said a few times that he had to be powerful. But his feats aren’t really that solid and impressive.

Jolee Bindo admitted that she was "strong." Even Malak admitted this.

Burden of proof. And don’t give me in-game dialogue.

She was confident in her abilities enough to say that.

There is a reason why we don’t take characters dialogue as fact, definitely when they’re talking about their own strength. It’s not because you’re confident in something, that you actually are what you claim to be. It’s called ego boosting and it applies mostly to Dark Side users (especially those who just turned to the Dark Side). Do I really have to quote Anakin Skywalker?

It is not like that. The point is that Bastilla Shan was being aided by the "Star Forge" while she dueled Revan. It was a distinct advantage she had at that time. Revan had to fend her off through his own abilities and skills in combat.

First, I’d like a detailed canon description of that fight, so I’m sure he really beat her fair and square. Second, Bastila is not exceptional so there is no reason Revan would even lose to her when she’s get a power boost.

It is like saying that Calo Nord finally met his match.

People fear Boba Fett too.

The fight took place probably on equal footing. Revan destroyed the most powerful bounty hunter of his age. It proves that he was better.

He was probably better, when the top bounty hunter of an era is more powerful than the top Jedi, we have a major problem. What exactly has Calo Nord done by the way, that is so impressive? Like, solid feats. Not just being the most powerful bounty hunter.

I think that circumstances will play a role in this fight. However Revan is a brilliant tactician too, so he has an edge.

So you’re admitting that Revan may have used tactics and not just pure power to defeat his opponents of which have not been given a proper description off.

Leeland Chee clearly stated that you can compare characters through their stats, if novels and comices are absent for them. I posted the stats of both characters in this thread.

What the hell, I thought Advent said that he said ‘there are no established power charts’?? Is he contradicting himself?

Another thought: IF Bastilla is very powerful, it belittles everything that revan accomplishes throughout the game right up until the end.

Revan had the msot powerful jedi of his age traveling with him, how hard was it really?

Originally posted by truejedi
Another thought: IF Bastilla is very powerful, it belittles everything that revan accomplishes throughout the game right up until the end.

Revan had the msot powerful jedi of his age traveling with him, how hard was it really?

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Originally posted by Wolverine2179
In this case: yes.

Rankings means nothing. It is the power, experience, and abilities that matter.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Which is attributed to PIS, go read advents argument in the maul and bane vs windu thread.

B/W I will check that thread.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
And don't compare an average jane to obi-frickin-wan.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
He IS powerful, nobody is denying that, but how powerful when compared to the sith of other era's is inconclusive.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
And of course he is more powerful than a bunch of no named jedi masters.

Names like Nomi, Vodo, Lucien, Vandar, Vrook, Kriea, Kavar, Atris, and Zhar are nobodies to you?

How about the fact that Sith (including Revan) were so powerful during OLD Republic era as Duron Qel Droma once remarked? No wonder that even the veteran Jedi Masters in the Old Republic era were no match for them.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Hell there is enough to even conclude that the unidentified sith in the old republic trailer is a superior combatant to revan.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Yeah, she took out a no named dark jedi, very uber indeed.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Quite simple, she simply isn't that ub3r as your desperately trying to make her out to be.

Revan was like a plaything in the hands of the ancient Sith. Since the ancient Sith don't have enough feats to put them on par with the Sidious and Caedus.... Well, Revan is below: Ancient Sith, Sidious, Caedus....

Who else is there really?

Who are you so desperate to rank him above?

Actually, many times during the game numerous people say that Bastila has great or exceptional power. Her power is even directly compared to Revan's.

And there are any number of things that could have stopped her from passing Padawan status. Maybe her master died or something. Or perhaps the strains of being the single powerful weapon for the republic didn't leave her much time to take the jedi trials.

And TJ, lets see you take a solid week of Force Lightning (or maybe worse) and not go completely insane. I believe the effects have been referenced to being akin to having every single nerve shredded to bits.

Then almost everyone of Revan's feats are not really that impressive, because Bastilla was right there helping him the entire time?

DE, you can pick your poison however you like it. It hurts revan if Bastilla was strong, and it hurts him if she was weak.

Originally posted by truejedi
Revan was like a plaything in the hands of the ancient Sith. Since the ancient Sith don't have enough feats to put them on par with the Sidious and Caedus.... Well, Revan is below: Ancient Sith, Sidious, Caedus....

Ajunta Pall was among the most famous Dark Lords from ancient times. When he met Revan, he was highly impressed by his power and strength in the Force. The point is that Revan was held in high esteem by not just people of his age, but also from the ancient times, and from future too, which is indeed impressive.

Their is a chance that Kreia was probably mocking her pupil on her dueling skills or perhaps was refering to the dueling skills of the ancient Dark Lord, Tulak Hord. However she never compared Revan to the ancients.

Originally posted by truejedi
Who are you so desperate to rank him above?

I go by achievements of characters to gauge their position. Revan have plenty and only few surpassed him.