Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
From Chronicles of the Old Republic (C-canon source):After a long and vicious battle in the deepest area of the STAR FORGE, Dark Lord of the Sith DARTH REVAN succeeds in destroying his ex-apprentice DARTH MALAK.
From the KOTOR Campaign Guide (C-canon source):
Though the Sith Empire continues to grow for some months under the control of the traitorous Darth Malak, eventually the redeemed Revan slays his former apprentice and shatters the backbone of the reborn Sith Empire.
Malak was well prepared in this expected duel.
From the Malak's databank:
The Sith Lord had grotesquely adapted the Rakatan device to draw energy directly from chained Jedi captives. He replenished his life force from the captives by draining theirs.
From Star Forge's databank:
He used captive Jedi to help fuel his power within the heart of the Star Forge.
And than their is Duron's vision:
In which Revan is seen standing near fallen Malak with his ignited lightsaber. The vision corroborates with the lines mentioned in KOTOR Campaign Guide: Revan slays his former apprentice.
So far this is known about the duel.
This is your proof of how the actual fight went? So if I say that Obi-Wan slayed or killed Maul after a long and vicious battle, he is automatically better? We can’t use that fight as a way to measure Revan’s strength with the Force and lightsaber because we don’t know how the fight went.
About the captive Jedi thing, you know what I did every time Malak used those Jedi to heal? I used a medpac to even up the odds, now prove to me that Revan didn’t do this in his fight with Malak. And no speculations!
And I already answered the Duron’s vision in the other thread, why do you keep saying the same things that have already been refuted. It’s like you get a memory wipe every day you wake up and start off again as ‘REVAN OWNS’.
Star Wars databank only gives overview of the events concerning KOTOR. The books contain more information and it has been made clear in several canon sources that Revan faced Malak alone in the Star Forge.
Pay attention please, we weren’t talking about Malak here. But if you insist, look anywhere and find where I said that Revan didn’t face Malak alone. We all know that Revan faced Malak alone, we just don’t know how the fight went because it’s not described anywhere, not even in your precious KotOR books.
Dude! She was considered to be a hero and a model Jedi.How about this: (From the databank)
"Knowing how valuable she was to the order, the Jedi Council urged Bastila to be cautious, be she nonetheless devoted every fiber of her being towards defeating the Sith menace and proving herself to the Jedi."
This says absolutely NOTHING about how she compares to other top tier Jedi in terms of combat. I was using the Trawn example because he was also a hero and a model superior for the Empire, but was he great in single combat?
Being valuable, devoting everything to destroying the Sith and trying to prove yourself to the Jedi also says nothing about her combat abilities. Try again.
You want me to pull mathmatical figures on this one?She would have got considerable experience from those exploits.
Why do you think proof means numbers? No, just something other than speculation would be fine.
His feats are solid. Defeated all kinds of enemies he encountered during his exploits (Sith Lords, Dark Jedi, Bounty Hunters, Mandalorians, Beasts etc.), managed to establish a powerful Sith Empire during his tenure as Dark Lord, and destroying it later on after being redeemed. These are the feats that you should keep in mind. Now I know that you want to see some of his force moves too, but for that you will have to wait for him to be featured in comics or novels.
I just want to see him actually fighting in combat and not just, he beat this guy, he beat that guy, he beated a lot of unknowns there. Let me make this clear for you. HIS FEATS ARE NOT SOLID.
Seriously, Revan is one of my favorite characters, but you aren’t making him look good now.
See above.
So what you’re saying is, I’ve got none.
Dialogues actually reveal more about the characters. It becomes clear that how they perceive the world through their own eyes and what they think about others. They should be taken in to account until they are exposed as lies.
No they shouldn’t be taken in to account until they are exposed as lies, they should be dismissed until proven to be right. And by the way, she says she’s powerful than all but a few Jedi Master, but right after that she gets her ass kicked, how the hell did she reinforce that statement even once? She didn’t because guess what, the Dark Side makes you overconfident. Characters opinions are fallible.
She was not a joke of a combatant either.Also check this:
"The next time Revan encountered Bastila, she was a dark warrior filled with rage."
Revan defeated her on the Star Forge, even when her powers were vastly augmented by the superweapon. Now that was an achievement.
A dark warrior filled with rage? Wow, she must be really good in combat now. So those Manaan apprentices filled with rage were obviously among the top tier.
Consult the KOTOR authors than.
In others words, it’s not known.
She was a skilled combatant. The general consensus about her was that she was "strong" and was a "hero." Your perceptions do not matter.
Don’t repeat yourself, ‘hero’ means nothing in a fight. And just being strong doesn’t mean anything, every Jedi is just ‘strong’.
No where did the author stated that the top bounty hunter of KOTOR era was more powerful than the top Jedi of the same era. He was nonetheless a very skilled combatant and was very dangerous.
I was saying that if Revan hadn’t beat Calo Nord, it would have been that way, which would be very weird. I don’t think that what I said was that complicated…
From the databank:"And among the criminals and scum inhabiting the Outer Rim four thousand years ago, no name was more feared than that of the galaxy's most notorious bounty hunter: Calo Nord."
Nord killed lots of people including other Bounty Hunters who were paid to kill him. He feared no one and would even kill Sith Troopers if they would stand in his way. It was rumored that Calo had killed more people during his tenure as a bounty hunter than even the "Iridian Plague." He also killed several Rancor beasts for Davik Kang. He was planning to kill a Krayt Dragon too for the pearl, which would further up his reputation. He survived in his first encounter with Revan and Darth Malak was impressed to an extent that he hired him to take out Revan along with Bastilla Shan.
Again, it would have been very weird if Calo Nord would have been more powerful than the top Jedi of his era.
Revan could resort to using tactics if needed so.
Using tactics says something about your intelligence and we all know Revan was intelligent. So now you’re admitting that Revan doesn’t have any feats regarding to his Force power and lightsaber abilities, because he could have always used tactics.
No! He is not contradicting himself. He just pointed out that stats or a character can be used for comparison purposes and as references for other canon materials. Surprised!... right?
Please read my post next time instead of just one word. Because then he is actually contradicting himself … because he also said there are no established power charts. Which is exactly what you said he said there is.
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