Darth Vader VS Shaak Ti
At the last moment, Vader decides to hunt down Master Ti on his own, to prove to Palpatine that he does do some work in the Empire instead of stare moodily out of windows all the time.
Can Vader beat Shaak Ti in the same arena that Starkiller did ( the Saarlak pit) or does he fall to the crimson fatale?
1. All-out
2. All-out with Saarlak
2. All-out with Saarlak and Felucian warriors
Hm I don't know, Shaak Ti gave Galen immense trouble, he only won due to over use of Force Lightning. In the first All out how would this work? Would she control the Saarlac as well or would it just be there
1-All Out- Vader 6/10, simply because Shaak Ti's true mastery of the force comes from the Enviornment, and she has no use of said enviornment in this scenario, but it will be close, I mean she is one of the 'greater sword beings.'
2-All out with Saarlak- Shaak Ti- eh 7/10
3- All out with Saarlak AND Felucian Warriors-9.5/10 Shaak
I mean Vader is good but he would have to fight through waves and waves of Felucians and their Rancor riding Chieftains, then after that he has to face Shaak Ti with her mighty pet.
3- All out with Saarlak AND Felucian Warriors-9.5/10 Shaak
I mean Vader is good but he would have to fight through waves and waves of Felucians and their Rancor riding Chieftains, then after that he has to face Shaak Ti with her mighty pet.
Errr.... no, I meant those wierd felucians that she summons to fight with her. Theres a steady stream of about 3 at a time, and each is 'strong in the force'.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaNow, when starkiller fought shaak ti, he was had not achieved the clarity he did when he gave vader an ass beating.
Hm I don't know, Shaak Ti gave Galen immense trouble, he only won due to over use of Force Lightning. In the first All out how would this work? Would she control the Saarlac as well or would it just be there
1-All Out- Vader 6/10, simply because Shaak Ti's true mastery of the force comes from the Enviornment, and she has no use of said enviornment in this scenario, but it will be close, I mean she is one of the 'greater sword beings.'
2-All out with Saarlak- Shaak Ti- eh 7/10
3- All out with Saarlak AND Felucian Warriors-9.5/10 Shaak
I mean Vader is good but he would have to fight through waves and waves of Felucians and their Rancor riding Chieftains, then after that he has to face Shaak Ti with her mighty pet.
Basically, had this been the SK that was fighting vader with his clear mind of clarity, he would have destroyed shaak ti much easier than he would to vader, besides SK was fighting her in a situation where she had the greater advantage.
Oh and i say vader 8/10.
I got a better battlefield, how about this fight taking place on Bast castle on Vjun?
Seriously mizu, you are making vader look pathetically weak which he isn't.
Of shaak ti is going to own him as hard as you imply, i see her doing the same to a fricking OT sidious considering that he is 20% ahead of vader in sheer power.
You make a valid point, but Starkiller had no conflict in his mind until the end of the battle by which time Shaak Ti conceded defeat. But Shaak Ti gave him quite the arse beating. Like I said in the first fight, Vader will kill Shaak Ti, he is a better swordsman, however in the Force and with the Felucian Enviornment at her disposal, Vader loses.
And what exactly has shaak ti done that surpasses vader in the force? Was she able to ragdoll other jedi and instantly snap their necks like him? Was she able to hurl massive pillars at her opponent? Was she able to survive being smashed on by 3 massive pillars?
Was she able to force lift and throw an extremely huge temple statue like vader did in ROTS?
Like i said before, starkiller was not "crystal clear" when he fought shaak ti and had he was, he would have given her an even harder beating than he did to vader.
I would say shaak ti wins only because of the felucia environment at her disposal, in terms of sheer raw power, force mastery, i say vader takes it.
EDIT.
I just observed the SK vs vader fight again, vader only got beaten down when he hurled away the massive pillar that SK threw at him and was immediately hit with a massive force blast that resulted him losing balance and then getting smashed with 3 pillars which damaged him greatly, still he shrugged off that attack(possibly throwing those pillars away, why would SK remove them if he wants to kill vader?) and then got a chop to the face, pushed into some shield generator and then slammed through a wall.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Now, when starkiller fought shaak ti, he was had not achieved the clarity he did when he gave vader an ass beating.Basically, had this been the SK that was fighting vader with his clear mind of clarity, he would have destroyed shaak ti much easier than he would to vader
Prove it. 😛
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
I got a better battlefield, how about this fight taking place on Bast castle on Vjun?
You're aware that Fellucia is a Dark Side steeped planet? Vader would receive a boost there or on Vjun.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
I just observed the SK vs vader fight again, vader only got beaten down when he hurled away the massive pillar that SK threw at him and was immediately hit with a massive force blast that resulted him losing balance and then getting smashed with 3 pillars which damaged him greatly, still he shrugged off that attack(possibly throwing those pillars away, why would SK remove them if he wants to kill vader?) and then got a chop to the face, pushed into some shield generator and then slammed through a wall.
Man, that's what I've been saying this entire time since the Starkiller fanboyism kicked in. Vader wasn't beaten badly. That one screw up cost him the match. With that heavy ass suit, he wasn't fast enough to stand up or recover.
Anyway, scenario one Shaak Ti takes 5.5-6/10.
Scenario two Shaak Ti takes 8/10.
Scenario three Shaak Ti takes 10/10.
Originally posted by EnyalusProve it. 😛
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Firstly, if you had read the comic or paid attention to the dialogue, starkiller was NOT in a state of clarity considering that his tone indicated he was going to get into a state of rage.
He was constantly rambling about how shaakti does not understand vader blah blah blah so i fail to see how he was in any "clarity" despite his constant ramblings.
Originally posted by EnyalusYour aware that felucias Dark side energies aren't as potent as Vjuns right? And the fact that shaak ti has an entire planet's environment at her disposal and that when dooku got empowered by vjuns energies, he tooled assaji ventress by lifting his finger.You're aware that Fellucia is a Dark Side steeped planet? Vader would receive a boost there or on Vjun. [/B]
Vader would receive a boost on both planets, but the real question is just how potent would it be.
Originally posted by EnyalusAnd from the way you put it, shaak ti is going to do even more damage than what SK did, just look what you typed below.Man, that's what I've been saying this entire time since the Starkiller fanboyism kicked in. Vader wasn't beaten badly. That one screw up cost him the match. With that heavy ass suit, he wasn't fast enough to stand up or recover. [/B]
Originally posted by EnyalusYour making vader look pathetically weak here.Anyway, scenario one Shaak Ti takes 5.5-6/10.
Scenario two Shaak Ti takes 8/10.
Scenario three Shaak Ti takes 10/10. [/B]
Marek is only a notch above vader, banes definately higher, so is palapatine so i guess shaak ti is going to "beat" them too, just with a little more difficulty.
The only reason Starkiller beat Shaak Ti is because she had her back turned and deactivated her lightsaber.
Or are we going to say that Vader beat Starkiller because he stabbed him in the back when the Emperor ordered it?
SK's victory on Felucia wasn't impressive at all. Vader would be even less so.
Also, 20% is a pretty large gap. The difference between 200,000 and 160,000? 80%. Yet, it's a 40,000 point shift.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
And what exactly has shaak ti done that surpasses vader in the force? Was she able to ragdoll other jedi and instantly snap their necks like him? Was she able to hurl massive pillars at her opponent? Was she able to survive being smashed on by 3 massive pillars?Was she able to force lift and throw an extremely huge temple statue like vader did in ROTS?
Like i said before, starkiller was not "crystal clear" when he fought shaak ti and had he was, he would have given her an even harder beating than he did to vader.
I would say shaak ti wins only because of the felucia environment at her disposal, in terms of sheer raw power, force mastery, i say vader takes it.
EDIT.
I just observed the SK vs vader fight again, vader only got beaten down when he hurled away the massive pillar that SK threw at him and was immediately hit with a massive force blast that resulted him losing balance and then getting smashed with 3 pillars which damaged him greatly, still he shrugged off that attack(possibly throwing those pillars away, why would SK remove them if he wants to kill vader?) and then got a chop to the face, pushed into some shield generator and then slammed through a wall.
Originally posted by EnyalusAlong with the fact that starkiller didn't achieve his clarity when he did against vader along with the fact that shaak ti had an entire planets environment at his disposal.
The only reason Starkiller beat Shaak Ti is because she had her back turned and deactivated her lightsaber.
The comics prove that you are wrong btw. Read the yellow boxes.
Originally posted by EnyalusIrrelevant, see the above.
Or are we going to say that Vader beat Starkiller because he stabbed him in the back when the Emperor ordered it?
Originally posted by EnyalusObviously, seeing that shaak ti had tons of help at her disposal, had this been set on another scenario, SK and vader would tool her.
SK's victory on Felucia wasn't impressive at all. Vader would be even less so.
Originally posted by EnyalusRight, a difference between 8 asians and 2 caucasians is also a "pretty large gap".
Also, 20% is a pretty large gap. The difference between 200,000 and 160,000? 80%. Yet, it's a 40,000 point shift.
The thing is, you yourself dared to make the the claim that "vaders TK perhaps surpasses that of palpatine" which would indicate that some part of you believed that he > palpatine in one aspect.
@Mizukage yoda, i am not going to take you seriously at all and in my upcoming rebuttal, you will know why
I may have angered and underestimated great vengeance, but at least he can bring out a few decent points and formulate cogent and good arguments, you on the other hand is a complete and utter fool whom only argues on what is shown rather than analyse why the situation turned out such.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaWhich already indicates that he ISN'T in a state of clarity, or he would have annihilated shaak ti, hell in that state he was able to put palpatine on his ass.
First off he was crystal clear in his fight with Shaak Ti, when he said with vigor "You will NEVER convince me to betray my Master"
WOW i guess shaak ti is more powerful than palpatine now, because you and enyalus say so.
Prove he was "crystal clear" in his fight with shaak ti, considering that he was getting "Ass raped". Again if this really is his clarity and he tooled both vader and sidious and couldn't defeat shaak ti, then there is seriously something wrong with that sponge you call a brain.
Do you now know why your logic fails miserably?
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaYet vader got up seemingly uninjured... with his saber in hand parrying the attacks of SK until getting his ankle hacked, but of course the pillars did damage him but it was not "catastrophic" to a point where it would have killed him(as it would to most other force users).
And no she wasn't able to get hit by three pillars and survive,
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Originally posted by Mizukage YodaHe survives SK's "uber l33t" force lightning in the novel, you fail.
but could Vader survive a massive dose of Force Lightning, obviously not.
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Originally posted by Mizukage YodaRight, and because she curbstomped SK when he wasn't at clarity, it means she is going to rape vader and at the same time, rape those who are above him, bane, sidious, nihilus.
So that statement is irrelevant. The point is Shaak Ti is depicted as curbstomping Galen Marek until the very end of the fight where he used Force lighting in Desperation.[/B]
Do you see where your logic fails?
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaNo, he takes it rather comfortably considering that you evaded my question earlier, of what the f-uck shaak ti did to surpass vaders force powers.
Ok Now in the First fight Vader barely takes it,
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As far as feats go, vader has done much more "impressive" feats than shaak ti, from what i had seen at least.
Incase you didn't read, i'll kindly post it for you : And what exactly has shaak ti done that surpasses vader in the force? Was she able to ragdoll other jedi and instantly snap their necks like him? Was she able to hurl massive pillars at her opponent? Was she able to survive being smashed on by 3 massive pillars?
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaAnd that means what? Her presence didn't change the planets status in the force, it still didn't abolish the dark side energies that swirled the entire planet.
but still as I have said many times before, Shaak Ti took a planet so strong in the Dark Side that as soon as she died the planet fell into Darkness and corrupted Marris Brood.
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Hell her presence didn't do shit to the dark side, it was still described as being powerful in the dark side,
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaSo? Vader himself is a master of the environment when he gets into battle, what the hell is going to stop him from using felucias terrain against shaak ti?
She controlled the Planets enviornment.
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Originally posted by Mizukage YodaHe did, but he was injured, but the injuries were not brutal enough to permanently put vader on his ass nor was it enough to kill or incapacitate him, most people in the star wars myhos would be brutally murdered if a single heavy object were to collapse on them.
She made Felucia, her *****. And Vader did not "shrug off" Mareks three Pillars, he barely got up and then was clearly outdueled.
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Hell the dark woman was killed by a tree that vader collapsed on her, and one tree was enough to make her bleed from her mouth.
And she was another powerful force user that could walk through walls, tutored a COUNCIL member and like shaak ti, could command flora and fauna.
SK collapsed three massive pillars on vader, and that wasn't enough to kill him, hell he immediately gets on his feet prepared to duel SK, but of course like i said earlier, the injuries caused him some damage which hindered his skills.
By the way, vader was already on his ass before the pillars struck him, SK immediately hits him with a force way after he deflects one pillar(he very well could have easily deflected those three, but he was lying on the floor).
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaStarkiller, in a clarity and crystal clear state of mind is greater than vader both in the force. But i already clarified above so read it.
As soon as those pillars fell he was ****ed.Unless you wish to suggest that Starkiller is a greater duelist then Vader.
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The pillars only damaged him, they didn't kill him as it would to most force users(your precious shaak ti included), that of course
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaBECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN A CRYSTAL CLEAR STATE LIKE HE WAS AGAINST VADER.
But simply put, when Galen beat Vader he was not exhausted,
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Get it through your god damn thick skull.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaAnd when he moved to the emperor, his robes weren't torn either, so i guess shaak ti will beat SIDIOUS too.
he simply moved on to the Emperor, now, when he was done with Shaak Ti his robes were torn,
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Seriously your logic is HORRIBLE.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaBecause you say so?
and he himself was exhausted. Vader will get terrible, terrible things done to him in the force by Shaak Ti, with the Saarlac, with Felucian force sensitive warriors it just adds to the rape. [/B]
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Along with the fact that starkiller didn't achieve his clarity when he did against vader along with the fact that shaak ti had an entire planets environment at his disposal.The comics prove that you are wrong btw. Read the yellow boxes.
Irrelevant, see the above.
Obviously, seeing that shaak ti had tons of help at her disposal, had this been set on another scenario, SK and vader would tool her.
Right, a difference between 8 asians and 2 caucasians is also a "pretty large gap".
The thing is, you yourself dared to make the the claim that "vaders TK perhaps surpasses that of palpatine" which would indicate that some part of you believed that he > palpatine in one aspect.
@Mizukage yoda, i am not going to take you seriously at all and in my upcoming rebuttal, you will know why
I may have angered and underestimated great vengeance, but at least he can bring out a few decent points and formulate cogent and good arguments, you on the other hand is a complete and utter fool whom only argues on what is shown rather than analyse why the situation turned out such.
Which already indicates that he ISN'T in a state of clarity, or he would have annihilated shaak ti, hell in that state he was able to put palpatine on his ass.
WOW i guess shaak ti is more powerful than palpatine now, because you and enyalus say so.
Prove he was "crystal clear" in his fight with shaak ti, considering that he was getting "Ass raped". Again if this really is his clarity and he tooled both vader and sidious and couldn't defeat shaak ti, then there is seriously something wrong with that sponge you call a brain.
Do you now know why your logic fails miserably?
Yet vader got up seemingly uninjured... with his saber in hand parrying the attacks of SK until getting his ankle hacked, but of course the pillars did damage him but it was not "catastrophic" to a point where it would have killed him(as it would to most other force users).
He survives SK's "uber l33t" force lightning in the novel, you fail.
Right, and because she curbstomped SK when he wasn't at clarity, it means she is going to rape vader and at the same time, rape those who are above him, bane, sidious, nihilus.Do you see where your logic fails?
No, he takes it rather comfortably considering that you evaded my question earlier, of what the f-uck shaak ti did to surpass vaders force powers.As far as feats go, vader has done much more "impressive" feats than shaak ti, from what i had seen at least.
Incase you didn't read, i'll kindly post it for you : And what exactly has shaak ti done that surpasses vader in the force? Was she able to ragdoll other jedi and instantly snap their necks like him? Was she able to hurl massive pillars at her opponent? Was she able to survive being smashed on by 3 massive pillars?
And that means what? Her presence didn't change the planets status in the force, it still didn't abolish the dark side energies that swirled the entire planet.Hell her presence didn't do shit to the dark side, it was still described as being powerful in the dark side,
So? Vader himself is a master of the environment when he gets into battle, what the hell is going to stop him from using felucias terrain against shaak ti?
He did, but he was injured, but the injuries were not brutal enough to permanently put vader on his ass nor was it enough to kill or incapacitate him, most people in the star wars myhos would be brutally murdered if a single heavy object were to collapse on them.Hell the dark woman was killed by a tree that vader collapsed on her, and one tree was enough to make her bleed from her mouth.
And she was another powerful force user that could walk through walls, tutored a COUNCIL member and like shaak ti, could command flora and fauna.
SK collapsed three massive pillars on vader, and that wasn't enough to kill him, hell he immediately gets on his feet prepared to duel SK, but of course like i said earlier, the injuries caused him some damage which hindered his skills.
By the way, vader was already on his ass before the pillars struck him, SK immediately hits him with a force way after he deflects one pillar(he very well could have easily deflected those three, but he was lying on the floor).
Starkiller, in a clarity and crystal clear state of mind is greater than vader both in the force. But i already clarified above so read it.
The pillars only damaged him, they didn't kill him as it would to most force users(your precious shaak ti included), that of course
BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN A CRYSTAL CLEAR STATE LIKE HE WAS AGAINST VADER.Get it through your god damn thick skull.
And when he moved to the emperor, his robes weren't torn either, so i guess shaak ti will beat SIDIOUS too.Seriously your logic is HORRIBLE.
Because you say so?
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Along with the fact that starkiller didn't achieve his clarity when he did against vader along with the fact that shaak ti had an entire planets environment at his disposal.
Uh, that wouldn't be a reason why he beat Shaak Ti. That'd be an excuse if he lost to her.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
The comics prove that you are wrong btw. Read the yellow boxes.
Let's see: I say she had her back turned and lightsaber put away. In the scan, she has her lightsaber off even when stabbed in the chest, and her back was turned to Starkiller. How is that proving me wrong? Furthermore, the narration is by PROXY - not an objective viewer and not even at the battle. He says, "no one could [hold him]." Does "no one" now include Emperor Palpatine? Are you saying Galen is more powerful than the Emperor now? PROXY seems to think so, afterall. PROXY = canon?
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Irrelevant, see the above.
Yup. Taken care of.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Obviously, seeing that shaak ti had tons of help at her disposal, had this been set on another scenario, SK and vader would tool her.
Prove it.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Right, a difference between 8 asians and 2 caucasians is also a "pretty large gap".
Yeah, but that wouldn't be 80%, that would be 400%, Big S.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
The thing is, you yourself dared to make the the claim that "vaders TK perhaps surpasses that of palpatine" which would indicate that some part of you believed that he > palpatine in one aspect.
In my opinion, yup.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Prove he was "crystal clear" in his fight with shaak ti, considering that he was getting "Ass raped". Again if this really is his clarity and he tooled both vader and sidious and couldn't defeat shaak ti, then there is seriously something wrong with that sponge you call a brain.
You're the one who initially said he wasn't crystal clear against Shaak Ti. That's not obvious. Burden of proof is on you. Also - come on now. He didn't tool Sidious. Sidious had loads more power than him and the only way he was able to hold back Sidious' lightning was by becoming an avatar of the Force (something that seemingly no one can do on command, IE a fluke).
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
No, he takes it rather comfortably considering that you evaded my question earlier, of what the f-uck shaak ti did to surpass vaders force powers.
Bend an entire Dark Side rich planet to her will? She was a Jedi Master and Council member. Not to mention a Consular (specifically trained to use the Force over a lightsaber). Her Force powers didn't suck.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
So? Vader himself is a master of the environment when he gets into battle, what the hell is going to stop him from using felucias terrain against shaak ti?
The planet is specifically stated as being 'under her control.' If you want to say otherwise - again, burden of proof is on you. Shaak Ti is one of the greatest bladebeings of the Order with a powerful command and knowledge of the Force. I think he'd have his hands full keeping himself alive.
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Starkiller, in a clarity and crystal clear state of mind is greater than vader both in the force. But i already clarified above so read it.
Nah. I'd say he got lucky. Vader tossed the pillars aside and immediately gets blown back by Galen's Force Wave. The battle would've been very tight if that hadn't happened. Then again, I sip the Haterade. 😉
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vader has a stronger connection to the force than Shaak Ti, even in his suit. Vader was one of the few to rival Palpatine in terms of power during that time.
🙄 Vader also has a stronger connection to the Force than Galen Marek...you know, it being his father and all. Did that help him beat Marek? No. Okay then.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Vader has a stronger connection to the force than Shaak Ti, even in his suit. Vader was one of the few to rival Palpatine in terms of power during that time.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Vader's connection to the Force is unparalleled, he is the chosen one after all, even in the suit. But, his ability to channel the force was severely crippled by his mutilation. In TFU Shaak Ti demostrated the ability to not just use, but have full control of a planet twisted by the Dark Side. In swordsmanship alone she is no wimp, she was regarded as one of the "Greater Swordsbeings" of the order, but her true strength lies in her mastery of the Force. I doubt that Vader could take Shaak Ti in a Saber Duel, while simultaneously dodging Saarlac tentacles, he doesn't seem fast enough, Mr. I never run. I mean Galen Marek had a great deal of trouble dodging them. Like I said before Vader might pull off a victory in #1, but thats being generous. Vader will get wrecked with the Saarlac, and even further wrecked with the Felucians and the Saarlac 😮💨
NO his connection was greatly reduced with the loss of midichlorians. By the time Vader was in his suit Palpatine had a greater connection to the force. Dark woman showed many of the same feats as Shaak Ti by controling the environment, and she still was no match for Vader. I seriously doubt some Saarlac tentacles would slow Vader down. I mean Vader did survive a blast of force lightning, being crushed by heavy columns, and a force explosoin by Marek.