Originally posted by Borbarad
Description of items aren't "game mechanics", Lightsnake.
Where was it said that it was the "first" cortosis suit that was constructed after the death of Kun, eh? And no, lightsnake. According to the SW RPG rules a cortosis weave armor is going to short-circuit lightsabers.
The reason given is that cortosis is brittle and needs to be mixed with other metals but loses its shutdown capabilities.
The Cortosis alloy weapons don't do the job. Weave and ore of Cortosis do.
He's taller, yes. Doesn't mean anything.
Faster? Right. You may notice the situation where Kun is attempting to take the scroll from Nadds tomb and is stopped by the two Naddist armed with blasters. Before one of them can do so much and pull the trigger, Kun pulls out his lightsaber, cuts the first down, switches the weapon hand, crosses several metres of distance and cuts the second down. Talk about speed.
And when did he switch weapon hands? He's holding the scrolls with his left hand when he emerges...when he cuts down the scrolls...he cuts down the first Naddist, then the other...and the scrolls are still in his left hand.
Bane, by contrast, is able to fend off both Raskta Lsu of all people and Farfalla simultaneously. It takes Johun providing enough of a distraction to even make it an impasse with Bane's orbalisks. In another instance, it's said Bane seems to be wielding a dozen sabers at once when he assaults Zannah.
When he's younger-and this, by the by, is without the orbalisks pumping adrenaline into him, making him stronger and faster, he defeats Sirak by delivering a chop to the arm and then breaks his leg.
to the entirety of the spectators, including Blademaster Kas'im, Bane has merely moved as a blur and it takes them a moment to register what had happened. According to Kaan and Kopecz, these apprentices are amongst the most powerful of the Order and this isn't done against two blaster wielding thugs, but a force sensitive sith apprentice. even Johun Othone is described as moving faster than the eye can see when he takes out two of the blaster wielding terrorists attacking the Chancellor.
I'm not doubting Kun is likely very fast. But faster than Bane? With the orbalisks feeding him?
Strength? Right. Kun is just capable of pushing his finger through the skull of the Republic Chancellor and then lift the alien from the ground with his fingers in the alien skull and just one arm.
That aside from pushing a Cathar Jedi down on her knees which just one arm.
Is this really comparable to a single strike disarming a Jedi Master who's fully prepared to engage you. Said Jedi master being a council member and war veteran.
And Bane being more powerful? That actually begs for proof, considering Kun's force showings in direct combat [resisting the most potent lightside attack there is, tossing people around as if they were ragdolls] as well as Kun's greater force works [freezing or mind-controlling the individuals in the Senate, the Sith ritual at the end of his life]. That aside from the fact that Kun possessed "more knowledge than he could ever use".
He obliterates the spirits of Qordis and Kaan when he emerges from the tomb of Nadd on Dxun, is able to bear the Orbalisks and even uses the constant agony as a source of fuel for himself
And don't forget his knowledge-from Revan, Nadd-who's knowledge encompasses what Kun knows and likely surpasses it- and Belia Darzu. He has all of that and by Rule of Two, he's had ten years to improve.
Bane is an absolute beast with the Force, it's pretty undeniable. he made the most powerful people of his time look like children after he got Revan's Holocron and only got stronger since
The armor has more than one vulnerable spot, apparently. Any joints would be vunerable, meaning that the orbalisk armor would have vunerable spots at the knees, ankles, elbows, shoulders, wrists, hibs and of course the neck and the head.
Frankly, I sincerely doubt anyone who doesn't possess a Shatterpoint ability is going to be able to perceive those gaps.
The curved hilt is not a "style", Lightsnake. It just allows greater precission, which doesn't matter. Even less considering that Kun mastered Bane's style.
And yes...it won't take Bane long to adapt to an unfamiliar style, hence Kas'im kicked his ass through the entire temple.
The only style Bane was unfamiliar with was Jar'Kai then...Kas'im had trained him fluently in everything else and the DBL to boot. Throw that in with insta healing injuries, the orbalisks feeding into him and pain fueled force screams, Bane is pretty damn something in a straight fight. I believe Kun's a very good swordsman, one of the best who ever lived. However, with available evidence, I can't say he surpasses Bane there.
And Kun's sword isn't a regular DBL: It has a short hilt, is wielded with one hand by Kun
and the guy can alter the blade-length and internsity using the force.
Yeah, right. Because Bane encountered so many master duellist during his career that he managed to outduel, right?[/Quote]
Erm...yeah?
He had Kas'im outdueled until the Jar'Kai trick-something that won't work on Rule of Two Bane, he had Raskta beaten pretty early if not for Farfalla...he had Farfalla, a powerful Jedi Master and master duelist in his own right beaten from the get go until Raskta saved him-and both of them are on Battle Meditation...Qordis acknowledged that Bane could kill him just as easily with his saber as with the Force...when Kas'im was dead, there was no other Sith a match for Bane with a saber. None.
By that logic, how many master duelists has Exar faced during his career that he has managed to outduel? He stalemated Ulic, killed Vodo-and there's really very little telling us Vodo is to the level of the elites we're talking....and I think that's really it.
I, personally, had the impression that he won most of his fight by superior force powers. An advantage he probably won't have against Exar Kun. [/B]
And I assure you, in the third book, we'll see Bane defeating the entire Jedi Order, mindwiping them and then going back to have a latte with how Karpyshyn's been doing
It's hilarious to see you arguing from a pro-Bane POV, LS. LOL!
Three points: Bane is 6'6'', not 7''. According to Wookieepedia, Kun is 1.9 meters, which is nearly 6'3''. Not a big height difference.
JvS says that Kun might have gotten the design for his saber from the Exiles Holocron. It's not certain. And it also isn't certain that the holocron was even from the Exiles.
And my third point regards 'And I assure you, in the third book, we'll see Bane defeating the entire Jedi Order, mindwiping them and then going back to have a latte with how Karpyshyn's been doing'...
...Okay, so, the Jedi think the Sith are extinct until Maul kills Qui-Gon. But yet they automatically know that 'Always two there are. A master and an apprentice.' But, they believe the Sith to be extinct after the Battle of Ruusan - before the Rule of Two was used. So how, exactly, do the Jedi know this? Does Bane decide to magically leave a replica of his holocron for the Jedi Archives? Did GL f*ck up yet again with his storyline?
The way I look at it, Palpatine and Yoda were in on it from the beginning. But when Palpatine enacted Order 66 and attempted to screw Yoda, he decided to strike back at the Emperor. When that failed, he went back to his "old Jedi sage" routine. I mean, come on, he's a demonstrably proficient liar. And no one that perceptive would be unable to sense the decline of the Republic. The obvious conclusion is that Yoda was Sidious's true apprentice.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Three points: Bane is 6'6'', not 7''. According to Wookieepedia, Kun is 1.9 meters, which is nearly 6'3''. Not a big height difference
Why would their height matter at all. I guess Yoda must be weaker than the average padawan cause he's shorter. Paul Anderson (the strongest man who has ever lived) was 5'9. Not that tall.
Originally posted by Enyalus
It's hilarious to see you arguing from a pro-Bane POV, LS. LOL!Three points: Bane is 6'6'', not 7''. According to Wookieepedia, Kun is 1.9 meters, which is nearly 6'3''. Not a big height difference.
JvS says that Kun might have gotten the design for his saber from the Exiles Holocron. It's not certain. And it also isn't certain that the holocron was even from the Exiles.
And my third point regards 'And I assure you, in the third book, we'll see Bane defeating the entire Jedi Order, mindwiping them and then going back to have a latte with how Karpyshyn's been doing'......Okay, so, the Jedi think the Sith are extinct until Maul kills Qui-Gon. But yet they automatically know that 'Always two there are. A master and an apprentice.' But, they believe the Sith to be extinct after the Battle of Ruusan - before the Rule of Two was used. So how, exactly, do the Jedi know this? Does Bane decide to magically leave a replica of his holocron for the Jedi Archives? Did GL f*ck up yet again with his storyline?
Originally posted by Gideon
The way I look at it, Palpatine and Yoda were in on it from the beginning. But when Palpatine enacted Order 66 and attempted to screw Yoda, he decided to strike back at the Emperor. When that failed, he went back to his "old Jedi sage" routine. I mean, come on, he's a demonstrably proficient liar. And no one that perceptive would be unable to sense the decline of the Republic. The obvious conclusion is that Yoda was Sidious's true apprentice.
That is blasphemy, Gideon! It is obvious that Sidious was Yoda's apprentice. Zannah's apprentice was clearly Yoda's master. And Plagueis was simply a puppet, designed to throw off Palpatine's perceptions of who was really pulling the strings in the Sith Order. Once Palpatine discovers the truth....treachery is the way of the Sith.
Originally posted by Enyalus
It's hilarious to see you arguing from a pro-Bane POV, LS. LOL!And my third point regards 'And I assure you, in the third book, we'll see Bane defeating the entire Jedi Order, mindwiping them and then going back to have a latte with how Karpyshyn's been doing'...
...Okay, so, the Jedi think the Sith are extinct until Maul kills Qui-Gon. But yet they automatically know that 'Always two there are. A master and an apprentice.' But, they believe the Sith to be extinct after the Battle of Ruusan - before the Rule of Two was used. So how, exactly, do the Jedi know this? Does Bane decide to magically leave a replica of his holocron for the Jedi Archives? Did GL f*ck up yet again with his storyline?
I thought that Bane distilled the Rule of Two from Revan's teachings. After all, Revan only took one apprentice. Yoda might have been referring to the idea that since the Brotherhood was destroyed, the rule would default to just two sith.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I thought that Bane distilled the Rule of Two from Revan's teachings. After all, Revan only took one apprentice. Yoda might have been referring to the idea that since the Brotherhood was destroyed, the rule would default to just two sith.
Meh, Rivan's Empire and Kaan's came after Revan, though. Both using the multiple Sith rule.
Originally posted by Gideon
The way I look at it, Palpatine and Yoda were in on it from the beginning. But when Palpatine enacted Order 66 and attempted to screw Yoda, he decided to strike back at the Emperor. When that failed, he went back to his "old Jedi sage" routine. I mean, come on, he's a demonstrably proficient liar. And no one that perceptive would be unable to sense the decline of the Republic. The obvious conclusion is that Yoda was Sidious's true apprentice.
I orgasmed from the sheer epicness of that idea.