Darth Krayt vs Count Dooku

Started by Gideon6 pages

Count Dooku did injure Yoda with a slash to the arm on Vjun. But this was after he hurled a woman out of a window and attacked Yoda as he attempted to halt her terminal velocity with the Force. After an engagement where Yoda professed his reluctance to hurt Dooku and Dooku, in turn, professed that he would enjoy killing Yoda, Dooku is knocked back and admits that he has been overpowered... and reveals that he put a missile in high orbit for just such a scenario. He then jumps out the window.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I'm just saying that he wasn't a pushover per say as a Jedi and seeing as he's gained like what, over a hundred years more experience since then, I don't see Dooku pwning him. Winning, sure, but I think Dooku would be breathing heavy, to say the least.

he wasn't a 'pushover,' sure, but there's a fine line between 'pushover' and having the ability to fight Dooku.

And he's been in stasis for a lot of the time. he's seen comparatively little fighting, even in the war

So would you put him above or below Obi-wan?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
So would you put him above or below Obi-wan?

Technically I'd put him slightly below ROTS Obi-Wan. Factor in his two blades and the lightsaber resistant armor, though...

As of ROTS? Oh yes, he's below Obi. As Krayt? hmm...more difficult.

And Obi-wan knows Jar'Kai very well. Thank Asajj for it

My question intended for Krayt to be at his peak vs. Obi-wan

Too hard to say. Krayt hasn't really done much at all.

Frankly, the only one who's shown real great power is Wyyrlok who killed an Ancient Sith

Wyyrlok is a decent amount below Krayt though...right?

In all honesty, I have no idea. Wyyrlok genuinely cares for Krayt as a friend and the Wyyrloks have always safeguarded Krayt's secret and Krayt himself when they could easily destroy him via revolt or while he was in stasis.

It's entirely possible that Wyyrlok is serving a weaker master. As I said, he manages to fight an Ancient Sith in Darth Andeddu and utterly destroys him in the Force.

He killed an ancient sith that had been in hibernation for thousands of years so that meant he killed a sith that had not command or used the force for millenia.

He wasn't in hibernation. He had sucked out the life of the acolyte to revitalize himself and he'd been active in his Holocron...the whole point was coming back to life strong as before

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
He killed an ancient sith that had been in hibernation for thousands of years so that meant he killed a sith that had not command or used the force for millenia.

He still managed to, through his holocron, nearly turn Darth Krayt into a krayt dragon.

And he was the one to force the duel with Wyyrlok as well

Originally posted by Lightsnake
And he was the one to force the duel with Wyyrlok as well

I disagree Lightsnake. Although all the retcons make this look ridiculous, it is most likely that Andeddu predates even Marka Ragnos, and even though his spirit was in the holocron, logically his skills atrophied over a period of thousands of years, at least. That's like saying Ragnos is a weakling because he (tavion) got defeated by Jaden. It just doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I disagree Lightsnake. Although all the retcons make this look ridiculous, it is most likely that Andeddu predates even Marka Ragnos, and even though his spirit was in the holocron, logically his skills atrophied over a period of thousands of years, at least. That's like saying Ragnos is a weakling because he (tavion) got defeated by Jaden. It just doesn't make sense.

^ Bingo, this is what i meant.

And i believe darth sexy thinks andeddu predates ragnos because of his armor, it looks like ancient sith armor and it also looks like andeddu came from egypt.

Originally posted by Enyalus
He still managed to, through his holocron, nearly turn Darth Krayt into a krayt dragon.
Which hints to us that he may had been extremely powerful when he was alive.

Andeddu needs a novel, now.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
^ Bingo, this is what i meant.

And i believe darth sexy thinks andeddu predates ragnos because of his armor, it looks like ancient sith armor and it also looks like andeddu came from egypt.

Which hints to us that he may had been extremely powerful when he was alive.

Andeddu needs a novel, now.

Logically, it seems Andeddu predates Ragnos. However, how the hell did he find his way to Korriban when the republic couldn't until the Great Hyperspace War? And how the hell did he find his way back to the deep core, whose hyperspace lanes are out of wack and weren't exactly researched until the age of Palpatine? There's a lot of nonsense surrounding his history. It's unlikely he would be of Bane's sith order, since there were no sith to chase him down and attempt to extract knowledge from him. IMO, his backstory was poorly conceived.

Originally posted by Gideon
According to the Clone Wars Visual Dictionary, Count Dooku "attempt[s] to gain the upper hand" in his duel with Anakin Skywalker on Tattooine by revealing that Ahsoka is in danger of General Grievous's Magnaguards. After that, he gets a boot to the face and is knocked on his ass.

While he does demonstrate superiority over Anakin in their brief Force engagement, he couldn't get the upper hand in swordsmanship during that duel.


Well Anakin does get put on his ass twice in the same duel. Dooku's main purpose in the duel was to kill what he thought was Rota, if that backpack wasn't on Anakin would have been cleaved through his spine

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Logically, it seems Andeddu predates Ragnos. However, how the hell did he find his way to Korriban when the republic couldn't until the Great Hyperspace War? And how the hell did he find his way back to the deep core, whose hyperspace lanes are out of wack and weren't exactly researched until the age of Palpatine? There's a lot of nonsense surrounding his history. It's unlikely he would be of Bane's sith order, since there were no sith to chase him down and attempt to extract knowledge from him. IMO, his backstory was poorly conceived.
You got a point, which is why i think they should drop any future bane novels and start writing about the era of andeddu or plagueis.

Bane is uber and compelling enough, we don't need a third book about him.

Meh, I think you should always finish wahat you start. Plus an 'uber and compelling' (I'm holding that against you till your dying day) character needs a fitting death. Which is why Maul, Dooku and Sidious, not being uber enough, all had crappy deaths.

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
You got a point, which is why i think they should drop any future bane novels and start writing about the era of andeddu or plagueis.

Bane is uber and compelling enough, we don't need a third book about him.

The issue with the theory that Andeddu was 'atrophied' was the power he demonstrates as a Holocron, and that he revitalizes with one's life force...he's demonstrating no problem doing what he can do, he's in his own place of power and then he's the one forcing the duel, fully expecting to kill Wyyrlok.

This doesn't seem the actions of someone whose power has decreased