Darth Krayt vs Count Dooku

Originally posted by Borbarad
Or unless you think that you have amassed enough power to kill him. The point with Andeddu was that he has basically whooped Krayts ass, while just being a spirit in a holocron. Combine that with the fact that in Andeddu's time the strongest was the one to rule. So, obviously, Andeddu would have expected that Wyyrlok is considerably weaker in comparison to Krayt.

If that wasn't the case, Andeddu might simply have underestimated his opponent. And I doubt that he really was at full power. Otherwise one might ask, why he didn't just "zap" himself back into life in the millenia before that incident.

And it seems pretty clear why he didn't zap himself back to life: He had the holocron hidden on Korriban, where it was found by Quin and given to Dooku and then to Palpatine...I don't see Palpatine nipping off to the Deep Core to revive Andeddu, or even offering like Wyyrlok did. After that, the Holocron ends up with Krayt. Andeddu needs the Holocron to be placed on his body, at which point he sucks the life out of the user and revives.

It seems apparent Wyyrlok might be that much more powerful than Krayt and just that good.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Yeah, once Luke died, the whole Order decreased in power and ability.

Oh sure, cause everyone else's power was because of Luke?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Oh sure, cause everyone else's power was because of Luke?

That's exactly what I thought when I read it.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Oh sure, cause everyone else's power was because of Luke?

Luke being the source of power for the Jedi is preposterous, absurd, not even worthy of Ms. Traviss. I'm not that dumb, I'm sarcastic.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I'd have given you the benefit of the doubt, but I find it hard to believe your memory is that bad---I can't be that forgetful.

Luke being the source of power for the Jedi is preposterous, absurd, not even worthy of Ms. Traviss. I'm not that dumb, I'm sarcastic.

Please then, explain exactly what you were saying.

*stares*................................I really wish I one of those emoticons where the guy's smashing his head off the keyboard. That's how frustrating this is.

Are you not going to explain dude?

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Are you not going to explain dude?

His point is that he shouldn't have to. Take a minute, engage your brain and think about it.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Andeddu would have to be very, very stupid if he figured manipulating Krayt's armor with two other projections and then summarily being dismissed would really give him enough to take on someone like Andeddu...Andeddu knows about Krayt's Order, enough to mock it and Krayt as a pretender and he's clearly been accessed by Wyyrlok before. What we know of Andeddu, he's paranoid, greedy, intelligent and a borderline coward. He forces the fight and has no issues or hint that he's ever weaker.

Since when did the other two Sith Lords help him with manipulating Krayt's armor? And sorry. Given that your description of Andeddu's character, I don't see why he should force a fight with Wyyrlok, if he isn't 100 % sure that he can win...

Which leads to the suggestion that he had a reason to believe that he is more powerful - and one might even think by far [because he needs a 100 % victory chance] in comparison to Wyyrlok. Otherwise he wouldn't have forced the fight.

And it seems pretty clear why he didn't zap himself back to life: He had the holocron hidden on Korriban, where it was found by Quin and given to Dooku and then to Palpatine...I don't see Palpatine nipping off to the Deep Core to revive Andeddu, or even offering like Wyyrlok did. After that, the Holocron ends up with Krayt. Andeddu needs the Holocron to be placed on his body, at which point he sucks the life out of the user and revives.

Ah, well. After reading the comic again: Andeddu isn't "revived" exactly. He just has his spirit forced back into his own body. He's still just equipped with the power he was wielding in his "spirit form", which - if we can thrust the words of Nadd and Sidious - leaves him almost "powerless" in comparison to the times when he was actually alive. Which would be logical, given that his body was alread decaying [which would also mean a loss of midi-chlorians].

Probably he thought that he would simply be just as powerful as he was before (when alive for the first time) but simply wasn't and therefor died.

It seems apparent Wyyrlok might be that much more powerful than Krayt and just that good.

Because he took out the spirit of an Ancient Sith Lord? That put's him on one level with Jaden Korr. Not that it matter for that debate here, because Dooku would simply crush Krayt. 😉

Originally posted by Borbarad
Since when did the other two Sith Lords help him with manipulating Krayt's armor? And sorry. Given that your description of Andeddu's character, I don't see why he should force a fight with Wyyrlok, if he isn't 100 % sure that he can win...

Because he took out the spirit of an Ancient Sith Lord? That put's him on one level with Jaden Korr. Not that it matter for that debate here, because Dooku would simply crush Krayt. 😉

And yep, not denying Dooku>Krayt. The point is Wyyrlok=awesome, even if he is 'second' to Krayt.

Wait a second, Wyrrlok is awesome because he's got advanced skills with illusions? In that case, Aleema pwns as well. As I've stated earlier, there is absolutely NOTHING to indicate that Andeddu was at his full power, and even with the partial power he was wielding, he gave Wyrrlok all he could handle, suggesting he would be very powerful in full form.

Errr...Wyyrlok is an illusion master, a master duelist, master of Force lightning, noted as a master of Sith lore and ritual....

Nothing indicates Andeddu was weakened at all and everything we know about the craven little corpse indicates that he wouldn't dare risk an open confrontation unless he thought he had all the cards and having a huge lack of personal ability would qualify as missing a few of them.

And Wyyrlok, when he got the rhythm, utterly obliterated Andeddu. The battleground was illusory, but they were fighting utterly with the Force. Different than just an illusion

He's a Sith Lord. All of them are absurdly arrogant. Sure he was weakened. He'd just been revived after 7,000 years of being dead.

Andeddu's a unique case. He kept himself tied to the physical world by being in a holocron and then revived himself by sucking out someone's life force.

And a Sith Lord who refuses to face his enemies and goes off to bury himself somewhere seems the type to be more cautious than arrogant.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
His point is that he shouldn't have to. Take a minute, engage your brain and think about it.

I know exactly what he's saying and his point makes no sense. There is no reason for the Order's members to have decreased in power when Luke died. He wasn't even the main teacher of the students. Kam Solusar did that.

He was being sarcastic...

Jeez, Glen.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Luke being the source of power for the Jedi is preposterous, absurd, not even worthy of Ms. Traviss. I'm not that dumb, I'm sarcastic.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I'd have given you the benefit of the doubt, but I find it hard to believe your memory is that bad---I can't be that forgetful.

Luke being the source of power for the Jedi is preposterous, absurd, not even worthy of Ms. Traviss. I'm not that dumb, I'm sarcastic.

Haha holy shit I completely didn't read the second part of your post before. I'm officially a noob again.

No lightsnake, you can't say that just because Andeddu challenged Wyrrlok, he was in his full form. There is absolutely nothing to prove that. All of the evidence points towards the other direction and the simple fact that he challenged him had more to do with hubris than anything else.

Alright. Ultimatum: Find me anything from the comic saying Andeddu wasn't at full power and you'll consider the point dropped.

As I've said-AGAIN- Andeddu's 'hubris' didn't prevent him from running away from his enemies even when he held the cards.