Maybe this is an indication that perhaps he was much more powerful when he was alive? Like i said even as a holocron gatekeeper, he had not fought anybody for a long time, thousands of years possibly.
Obviously if you don't fight for even a decade let alone centuries, your skills are going to deteriorate.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
The issue with the theory that Andeddu was 'atrophied' was the power he demonstrates as a Holocron, and that he revitalizes with one's life force...he's demonstrating no problem doing what he can do, he's in his own place of power and then he's the one forcing the duel, fully expecting to kill Wyyrlok.This doesn't seem the actions of someone whose power has decreased
So because he forced a duel with Wyrrlok, he was at full power? How does one maintain power over thousands upon years, especially since his holocron has been opened what, once or twice in the span of those thousands of years? So excuse me if I doubt the validity of the claim that Andeddu was at full strength.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Logically, it seems Andeddu predates Ragnos. However, how the hell did he find his way to Korriban when the republic couldn't until the Great Hyperspace War? And how the hell did he find his way back to the deep core, whose hyperspace lanes are out of wack and weren't exactly researched until the age of Palpatine? There's a lot of nonsense surrounding his history. It's unlikely he would be of Bane's sith order, since there were no sith to chase him down and attempt to extract knowledge from him. IMO, his backstory was poorly conceived.
....Why is this a problem? The Jedi Exiles find the Sith species on Korriban in 6,900 BBY. Later, they move their headquarters to Ziost and use Korriban as a tomb world. 5,000 BBY is the Great Hyperspace War. Also about the time when Marka Ragnos dies. Assuming Darth Andeddu predates Ragnos, but comes around the time or after the time of Ajunta Pall, there's no reason why he wouldn't know where Korriban is.
Andeddu used a battle with the Force for a reason. Wyyrlok was the one offering the peaceful solution, Andeddu wanted to kill him. If he was so weak-and Andeddu is hailed for wisdom and given a real streak of caution that verges of cowardice- why would he be so confident? There's nothing hinting Andeddu is weaker.
And he'd just sucked the life out of someone to restore himself. That's pretty helpful for a Sith.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Andeddu used a battle with the Force for a reason. Wyyrlok was the one offering the peaceful solution, Andeddu wanted to kill him. If he was so weak-and Andeddu is hailed for wisdom and given a real streak of caution that verges of cowardice- why would he be so confident? There's nothing hinting Andeddu is weaker.And he'd just sucked the life out of someone to restore himself. That's pretty helpful for a Sith.
There is no indication that Andeddu was at full strength. His holocron was activated a few times at best in the past 4,000+ years. If anything, he was arrogant into goading Wyrrlok into a fight, nothing more.
Originally posted by Enyalus
....Why is this a problem? The Jedi Exiles find the Sith species on Korriban in 6,900 BBY. Later, they move their headquarters to Ziost and use Korriban as a tomb world. 5,000 BBY is the Great Hyperspace War. Also about the time when Marka Ragnos dies. Assuming Darth Andeddu predates Ragnos, but comes around the time or after the time of Ajunta Pall, there's no reason why he wouldn't know where Korriban is.
If Andeddu is part of the old sith empire (Ragnos), then he wouldn't know where Korriban was, seeing as how nobody in the republic knew this. Furthermore, how he managed to navigate from the deep core to Korriban and back baffles me.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
If Andeddu is part of the old sith empire (Ragnos), then he wouldn't know where Korriban was, seeing as how nobody in the republic knew this. Furthermore, how he managed to navigate from the deep core to Korriban and back baffles me.
...I think I'm missing something. I must be missing something.
Ragnos was part of the Old Sith Empire. He clearly knows where Korriban is. Naga Sadow was part of the Old Sith Empire. He clearly knows where Korriban is. In fact, every Sith in the Old Sith Empire knew where Korriban was because it was their tomb world. What does the Republic have to do with anything, when he wasn't a member of it?
If Darth Andeddu was a member of the Jedi Exiles or the Old Sith Empire, yes he would know where Korriban was located. It was where they officially first settled.
Originally posted by Enyalus
[B]...I think I'm missing something. I must be missing something.Ragnos was part of the Old Sith Empire. He clearly knows where Korriban is. Naga Sadow was part of the Old Sith Empire. He clearly knows where Korriban is. In fact, every Sith in the Old Sith Empire knew where Korriban was because it was their tomb world. What does the Republic have to do with anything, when he wasn't a member of it?
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You're not understanding. Ragnos knows where it is based on the sith empire. Ragnos doesn't know how to go back to the republic, or go back to the republic and then come back to korriban, because the Daragon Trail hasn't been charted. So how the hell did Andeddu know how to get to Korriban and back to the Deep Core? Makes NO sense unless he was a genius.
👆 I knew you couldn't be suggesting what I thought you were, lol.
LS's explanation makes sense.
Originally posted by GideonSeeing as how he thought of krayts order as pathetic and useless, i'm sure he thought he could kill them easily even not at full strength.
Regarding Andeddu (stupid name, btw) and Wyrrlok: if Andeddu wasn't at full strength and still engaged Wyrrlok in a fight and got his ass kicked, he's a moron.
More idiocy from the sith.
Ok Krayt gets annihilated with the Force and all out. I can't see Krayt dueling with Yoda for more that fifteen seconds before being decapitated in a Commander Gree-like fashion. Dooku in Attack of the Clones lasted well over thirty seconds against the Grand Master of the Jedi Order, who put fricken Palpatine on his ass with a force push, and stalemated him. Many people seem to underestimate Dooku's sabers. He did defeat Mace Windu before, and stalemated him on Boz Pity.
Originally posted by Mizukage YodaHe gets hit from behind while standing atop a veritable pile of death stormtroopers and Sith warriors. It was believed, actually, that Nihl had been killed by Skywalker; he'd certainly been wounded, which would explain why he was lying on the ground when he fired that fatal burst of lightning.
Not to mention Kohl Skywalker the leader of the Jedi Order lost to Darth Nihil for godssakes.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Andeddu is both smart and a coward. That is NOT the type to engage someone like Wyyrlok unless you're possessing a decent amount of power
Or unless you think that you have amassed enough power to kill him. The point with Andeddu was that he has basically whooped Krayts ass, while just being a spirit in a holocron. Combine that with the fact that in Andeddu's time the strongest was the one to rule. So, obviously, Andeddu would have expected that Wyyrlok is considerably weaker in comparison to Krayt.
If that wasn't the case, Andeddu might simply have underestimated his opponent. And I doubt that he really was at full power. Otherwise one might ask, why he didn't just "zap" himself back into life in the millenia before that incident.