Surfer's energy blasts vs Superman's Heat vision

Originally posted by Enyalus
The Power gem 'contains access to all power and energy that ever has or will exist,' as well as replicating nearly any superhuman ability and granting himself invulnerability. You're going to tell me he can't give himself super speed?

The Space Gem has nothing to do with speed. The Runner wasn't fast because he had the Space Gem. When he used it, he was teleporting to where he wanted to go faster than he thought of the location. When he's blitzing Thanos, for instance - it's all him.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. You have it all wrong. Energy is just energy. But movement form place to place requires time and space and motion. Thanos did not give himself super speed with the PG.

Okay. 🙂

Then Thanos has FTL reflexes.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Okay. 🙂

Then Thanos has FTL reflexes.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Except when the Runner was blitzing him.

Nope, that just means Runner was multiple times faster than Surfer's FTL speeds.

Originally posted by Avlon
No blast was shown or ever mentioned...and again..in the very next issue...blasts weren't doing much.

Id say this is a blast \/ \/ \/

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5159/annihilationsilversurfeay7.jpg

In the very next issue, Surfers energy discharge destroyed a planet.. I say "discharge" because there was no mention of blast anywhere in that issue 🙄 ..

Originally posted by Avlon
Oblivion (a figment of Kyle Rayners imagination) caused an event far greater than a black hole... it doesn't mean that Kyle can blast more powerful that Surfer and Supes.

Oh...and Thanos has never blasted open a black hole...

guess that means SS must be more powerful than him. LOL

No.. Did Thanos survived being inside a blackhole? Yes

If you say so 😉 ..

Surfer, no contest.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I hate to sound like someone else here, but:

"Why?"

I'm trying to remember some impressive energy blast feats from Surfer, but nothing comes to mind off the top of my head. Whereas Supes' HV has ignited stars before (or..shot through them?).

This is a example of poor and unreliable writeing again. supes heat vision does this much dmg to a star yet peers to supes or even weaker beaings had shrugged his heat vision off like it was nothing.

Thor (REG) captian marvel and many other just laugh at his heat vision.

SS blasts vs supes heat vision i dunno.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Supes has repaired reality with his heat vision.

Yet another example of shitty writing on the part of some poor bored writer.

Repairing reality gimmie a break ROFL.

Originally posted by zeel
This is a example of poor and unreliable writeing again. supes heat vision does this much dmg to a star yet peers to supes or even weaker beaings had shrugged his heat vision off like it was nothing.

Thor (REG) captian marvel and many other just laugh at his heat vision.

SS blasts vs supes heat vision i dunno.

Originally posted by Ambient
Id say this is a blast [B]\/ \/ \/

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5159/annihilationsilversurfeay7.jpg [/B]

Surfer outrunning light. Where is the blast? Nothing is out of his hands....check his hands by the way...

Check and mate.

Originally posted by Ambient
In the very next issue, Surfers energy discharge destroyed a planet.. I say "discharge" because there was no mention of blast anywhere in that issue 🙄 ..

And nobody said SS couldn't destroy a planet...

Originally posted by Ambient
Did Oblivion made so called horizon blackhole thorough energy discharge? No, more like willed it to appear like how Kyle willed the GL corps...

Strange...the willpower is a catalyst for the energy which creates effects... kinda like a certain power of cosmic proportions...

Originally posted by Ambient
No.. Did Thanos survived being inside a blackhole? Yes

So have GL's...and didn't look as bad as him. Supes contained one in his hand. Surfer strangely enough survived one with his combined power with redshift.

Originally posted by Ambient
If you say so 😉 ..

No problem. I do based by the logic in this thread.

Originally posted by zeel
Yet another example of shitty writing on the part of some poor bored writer.

Repairing reality gimmie a break ROFL.

Because a naked guy flying around space on a board without a defined powerset for a big headed drag queen isn't stupid. Matter of fact, it's so great that a title can't keep the interest of the public long enough to keep a running series.

Originally posted by Avlon
Because a naked guy flying around space on a board without a defined powerset for a big headed drag queen isn't stupid. Matter of fact, it's so great that a title can't keep the interest of the public long enough to keep a running series.

Not surprising that SS has problem with sales, I keep saying he has an ambiguous power set. You need to have staples, trademark powers.

Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer outrunning light. Where is the blast? Nothing is out of his hands....check his hands by the way...

Check and mate.

So have GL's...and didn't look as bad as him. Supes contained one in his hand. Surfer strangely enough survived one with his combined power with redshift.

Thanos can't fly, and Thanos can't teleport without his ship (as much as I hate to admit it). Thanos still managed to get out of the black hole... so it's a little different than Surfer or GL's.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
The 'light' is what Surfer made that was called a black hole. He fired an attack, ran away, and an explosion, or whatever you want to call it came about in the scan you're looking at.

Read back to previous posts... I never said SS did not make a black hole... but it wasn't some cosmic blast. It was an effect of the PC.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Thanos can't fly, and Thanos can't teleport without his ship (as much as I hate to admit it). Thanos still managed to get out of the black hole... so it's a little different than Surfer or GL's.

GL's were forcefully pulled through one though and made it though. Thanos got out of his black hole...and it seems that in annihilation he and skreet weren't eager to deal with one either.

Surfers battle in the black hole wasn't his. It was a combination of his pc and red shift's abilities protecting them both.

Why hate to admit that Thanos can't teleport without his tech (a lot of his power is based off his ship which for some reason cosmics with a certain awareness can't figure out) when the best Thanos is the cunning one vs the powered brick with dumbed down enemies?

Originally posted by Avlon

Surfers battle in the black hole wasn't his. It was a combination of his pc and red shift's abilities protecting them both.

Oh come on. Even u know that isnt true.

Originally posted by Avlon
Read back to previous posts... I never said SS did not make a black hole... but it wasn't some cosmic blast. It was an effect of the PC.

"Surfer outrunning light. Where is the blast? Nothing is out of his hands....check his hands by the way..."

And the 'light' was from a blast Surfer made earlier.

Originally posted by Avlon
GL's were forcefully pulled through one though and made it though. Thanos got out of his black hole...and it seems that in annihilation he and skreet weren't eager to deal with one either.

Thanos essentially travels as fast as you or me.

And Thanos made no mention of not wanting to deal with the black hole, he just didn't care.

Originally posted by Avlon
Surfers battle in the black hole wasn't his. It was a combination of his pc and red shift's abilities protecting them both.

Why try and point this out to me? You brought it up, I just said it was different than Thanos's.

And besides, Red Shift wasn't protecting them both... he wanted Surfer dead, and Surfer survived well enough on his own after he took care of Red Shift anyway. And if it's his PC that was protecting him, then why even bring this up? His PC is always with him, and besides, it was his cosmic shell that was protecting him, which again is always surrounding him.

Originally posted by Avlon
Why hate to admit that Thanos can't teleport without his tech (a lot of his power is based off his ship which for some reason cosmics with a certain awareness can't figure out) when the best Thanos is the cunning one vs the powered brick with dumbed down enemies?

And the only power on panel that ever comes from his ship is his teleportation of himself, and when he needs more shields (which was once against Galactus).

Originally posted by Red Hulk
"Surfer outrunning light. Where is the blast? Nothing is out of his hands....check his hands by the way..."

And the 'light' was from a blast Surfer made earlier.

Ok...and if you looked at earlier pages...this has been covered. NOTHING of a blast was stated in comic.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
GL's can keep on moving though.

Thanos essentially travels as fast as you or me.

And Thanos made no mention of not wanting to deal with the black hole, he just didn't care.

The GL's didn't. I don't care if Thanos made a mention. I just know what I saw on panel.

[i]Originally posted by Red Hulk
Huh?

Why try and point this out to me? You brought it up, I just said it was different than Thanos's.

It was a general statement..there are plenty of eyes on all responses.

[i]Originally posted by Red Hulk
And besides, Red Shift wasn't protecting them both... he wanted Surfer dead, and Surfer survived well enough on his own after he took care of Red Shift anyway. And if it's his PC that was protecting him, then why even bring this up? His PC is always with him, and besides, it was his cosmic shell that was protecting him, which again is always surrounding him.

Never said Red Shift was protecting them both. I said it was a combination of their power. Surfer barely made it out of there.

[i]Originally posted by Red Hulk
Because I hate to admit it ? Why would I even need to expand on this?

Never asked you to.

[i]Originally posted by Red Hulk
[i]And the only power on panel that ever comes from his ship is his teleportation of himself, and when he needs more shields (which was once against Galactus).

Not according to Walker.

Originally posted by zeel
This is a example of poor and unreliable writeing again. supes heat vision does this much dmg to a star yet peers to supes or even weaker beaings had shrugged his heat vision off like it was nothing.

Thor (REG) captian marvel and many other just laugh at his heat vision.

SS blasts vs supes heat vision i dunno.

You know I might be confusing this with a PC feat but hasn't Supes exploding stars with his HV?

Originally posted by Avlon
Ok...and if you looked at earlier pages...this has been covered. NOTHING of a blast was stated in comic.

Anyway, this is what you said:
"Surfer outrunning light. Where is the blast? Nothing is out of his hands....check his hands by the way..."

And it wasn't just light, it was what Surfer created (that was essentially a black hole), is what I'm trying to say. Surfer hit Air Walker with some sort of attack that exploded when he was running away.

Anyway, I think what Ambient was trying to say was that Surfer created something so strong that it made an explosion that created a black hole. Although it could also be seen as light and substances being pulled into a black hole (although that would mean that it would have grown extremely large in a short amount of time).

Originally posted by Avlon
The GL's didn't. I don't care if Thanos made a mention. I just know what I saw on panel.

What did you see on panel? Because Thanos didn't seem at all worried or interested...

Originally posted by Avlon
It was a general statement..there are plenty of eyes on all responses.

Originally posted by Avlon
Never said Red Shift was protecting them both. I said it was a combination of their power. Surfer barely made it out of there.

Surfer had to go through a portal or else he would have been stuck in the black hole for presumably forever. He may have barely made it out of there (he had to grow to a size where atoms looked like planets), but I don't see what that's supposed to mean.

Originally posted by Avlon
Never asked you to.

Originally posted by Avlon
Not according to Walker.

I don't see how him saying one statement means anything, when it has never been confirmed by Thanos.

Originally posted by fangirl101
well superman's Blast have been modified to exploit weaknesses too.