Originally posted by The Great GalenOK do you have scan of this this feat?
You know I might be confusing this with a PC feat but hasn't Supes exploding stars with his HV?
and there also different between destroying a star and reaction effect.
Still can't believe you guys are still debating HV or PC is stronger duryellowhulk
Originally posted by Red HulkThanos can teleport without his ship. I dont know where you are getting this from.
The 'light' is what Surfer made that was called a black hole. He fired an attack, ran away, and an explosion, or whatever you want to call it came about in the scan you're looking at.Thanos can't fly, and Thanos can't teleport without his ship (as much as I hate to admit it). Thanos still managed to get out of the black hole... so it's a little different than Surfer or GL's.
Originally posted by Mindship
As I see it: a Surfer energy blast is mainly what he does: it's virtually his signature attack, just like Superman punching is mainly what Supes does. To consider that Superman's heat vision is more powerful than the Surfer's cosmic bolts is like saying the Surfer can punch harder than Superman.
Well that's what I said on the early onset of this thread. It's in SS character to blast projectiles and so obviously he will have a better wealth of high end feats in regards to this. Supes HV is powerful but we will never see him ultalize it to the same degree as SS, it simply isnt in his character.
Originally posted by The Great GalenYou dont think its in Surfer's character to hold back just like Superman?
Well that's what I said on the early onset of this thread. It's in SS character to blast projectiles and so obviously he will have a better wealth of high end feats in regards to this. Supes HV is powerful but we will never see him ultalize it to the same degree as SS, it simply isnt in his character.
Superman wasnt holding back against WW when he heatvisioned her. Im not that impressed.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Well that's what I said on the early onset of this thread ... Supes HV is powerful but we will never see him ultalize it to the same degree as SS, it simply isnt in his character.
Surfer's punches are powerful but we will never see him utilize them to the same degree as Superman, it simply isn't in his character.
Originally posted by Hitman911
Piccolo blew up the moon......... while standing on Earth............. in the Saiyan Saga.......... just food for thought lol.
Thats nothing to those guys, Master Roshi did it in dragonball. I found it hilarious that they thought it less trouble to blow up the damn moon instead of just covering Goku's eyes.
Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer outrunning light. Where is the blast? Nothing is out of his hands....check his hands by the way...
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9429/annihilationsilversurfeiv2.jpg
He killed Gabriel then discharge a time delayed energy bomb..
Fyi. No lifeforce no pc...
Blast scan --- check
Somethin comin out of his hand --- check
Check and mate. --- nah try again...
And nobody said SS couldn't destroy a planet...
Originally posted by Avlon
and again..in the very next issue...blasts weren't doing much.
Strange...the willpower is a catalyst for the energy which creates effects... kinda like a certain power of cosmic proportions...
Oblivion willed timespace/reality to make such effect... No energy discharge/blast ever mentioned, it just appeared in space.. totally unlike how Surfer created the blackhole effect through the strength of his blast in "effect" a blackhole was created.. There was no mention of Surfer manipulating time and space like say Oblivion's feat but cept a mention of an energy discharge back by a panel showing a big blast of it..
No problem. I do based by the logic in this thread.
So clapping your logic is 👆 ..... 😱
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Anyway, I think what Ambient was trying to say was that Surfer created something so strong that it made an explosion that created a black hole. Although it could also be seen as light and substances being pulled into a black hole (although that would mean that it would have grown extremely large in a short amount of time).
Originally posted by Mindship
I don't know if we are saying the same thing. I infer that you're saying Supes' HV is, in fact, as powerful as the Surfer's bolts...we'll just never see that because it's not in Supes' character to use energy to the same extent. I'm saying HV, in fact, is not as powerful as SS's bolts, period, because it's not in the nature of the character by design. I mean, suppose I wrote this...Surfer's punches are powerful but we will never see him utilize them to the same degree as Superman, it simply isn't in his character.
So are you suggesting SS punches are as powerful as Supes punches but because of his battle tendencies we will never see it ultalize. IMO Supes HV upper limit is unknown, we all its powerful but the exact extent is speculative.
Originally posted by The Great GalenGenerally I don't think of the Surfer's punches being as powerful as Superman's. I suppose I could launch into a "Surfer can amp himself" rational, but I don't like that route anymore than the "Superman will speedblitz" tactic. Basically, I think of it like this...
So are you suggesting SS punches are as powerful as Supes punches but because of his battle tendencies we will never see it ultalize. IMO Supes HV upper limit is unknown, we all its powerful but the exact extent is speculative.
Superman punch > HV
Superman punch > Surfer punch
Cosmic bolt > Surfer punch
Cosmic bolt > HV
As for how a Superman punch and a cosmic bolt compare...that's another thread. 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Mindship
Generally I don't think of the Surfer's punches being as powerful as Superman's. I suppose I could launch into a "Surfer can amp himself" rational, but I don't like that route anymore than the "Superman will speedblitz" tactic. Basically, I think of it like this...Superman punch > HV
Superman punch > Surfer punchCosmic bolt > Surfer punch
Cosmic bolt > HVAs for how a Superman punch and a cosmic bolt compare...that's another thread. 😖hifty:
The speedblitz example have acutal merit though and its a normal battle tendency of his. On the note of Supes HV potency, he has matched Orions AF...which as everyone knows is incredibly powerful.
Originally posted by Mindship
Generally I don't think of the Surfer's punches being as powerful as Superman's. I suppose I could launch into a "Surfer can amp himself" rational, but I don't like that route anymore than the "Superman will speedblitz" tactic. Basically, I think of it like this...Superman punch > HV
Superman punch > Surfer punchCosmic bolt > Surfer punch
Cosmic bolt > HVAs for how a Superman punch and a cosmic bolt compare...that's another thread. 😖hifty:
Yeah thats pretty accurate.
but ill help u wit d last bit
surfer cosmic bolt>>superman punch
