Orion,Thor,Wonder Woman,Beta Ray Bill vs. Superman,Silver Surfer, Hal Jordan, Sentry

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
Superman would beat Orion to a bloody pulp. The others I don't know. Maybe Thor could take the Silver Surfer, I will look into it. But no way Diana takes down the Sentry. She won't be able to buy enough time for someone to come to her aid. Honestly, Sentry will mess her up. I mean she lost to storm okay, in the marvel dc crossover over comic. That says something.

Wow, you really didn't just say that did you? lol You do realize that the results of those fights were determined by fan votes. That's the same issue Wolverine beat Lobo, isn't it? 😛 Diana puts down Mjolnir because it wouldn't be fair? 😱 If you honestly believe that Storm has a chance in Tartarus against WW then I really can't take anything that you say seriously.

This is my opinion, but Sentry's recent showings make me feel that he is the weakest link in all of these fights. If the match ups go the way you've outlined them, then team 1 will win. Diana will beat Sentry and then help Bill with Hal. I give the slight edge to Orion against Clark (MB gives him too many possibilities.) I actually think Surfer would eventually beat Thor after quite a battle, but I'm not willing to bet that it happens before the other fights are finished.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Stop making a fool of urself with daft statements . Ive already provided examples of surfer using his extremely quick movement speed and manoeuvring in BATTLE. Surfer makes use of his movement speed in combat so yeah he is way to manoevrable and fast to get hit by diana's lasso. The only thing diana is better than him at is pure H2H speed and that is irrelevant in this match considering how fast SS can move and blast.

LOL. SS has a hard time with Bricks like Hulk? U are obviously confused and have absolutely no idea what the hell u are talking about. Have u ever read any SS vs Hulk fight?

Lord!, the level of nonsense that some posters spout is just unbelievable 😱

You havn't proven anything, just SS travel speed and thats about it. You obviosuly don't understand what combat speed is, although if you've ever seen flash,QS or even a DBZ fight you would have a idea of what it's supposed to look like. There are basically 3 aspects to what constitutes true combat speed, that being mobility and intiation and reflex. Mobility would be how they move about in the battlefield and intiation being how fast they can strike...and reflex is obviously how they react. SS has never applied the speed you posted agaisnt a opponent, sure he can intiate blast which I give him credit for...but he hardly bullrushed let alone converting his travel speed into battle.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
You havn't proven anything, just SS travel speed and thats about it. You obviosuly don't understand what combat speed is, although if you've ever seen flash,QS or even a DBZ fight you would have a idea of what it's supposed to look like. There are basically 3 aspects to what constitutes true combat speed, that being mobility and intiation and reflex. Mobility would be how they move about in the battlefield and intiation being how fast they can strike...and reflex is obviously how they react. SS has never applied the speed you posted agaisnt a opponent, sure he can intiate blast which I give him credit for...but he hardly bullrushed let alone converting his travel speed into battle.

lol. He hardly bullrushed? Do u really expect people to take u seriously when u can actually look at whats on panel and ignore it?
LOL. Once again u show that u have the comprehension of a toddler. In the scans i showed SS made use of his mobility and manoevring across the battle field, initiated multiple attacks against multiple targets and was also able to dodge and avoid attacks from those same targets hence showing his reactions. I beg of u not to dodge the question again and point out one scan in which SS was purely "travelling". Obviously though u cant thats why u keep dodging the question and coming up with stupid replies that actually further prove SS has does in fact have combat speed.

What a joke.

😂

Originally posted by ultimatethor
lol. He hardly bullrushed? Do u really expect people to take u seriously when u can actually look at whats on panel and ignore it?
LOL. Once again u show that u have the comprehension of a toddler. In the scans i showed SS made use of his mobility and manoevring across the battle field, initiated multiple attacks against multiple targets and was also able to dodge and avoid attacks from those same targets hence showing his reactions. I beg of u not to dodge the question again and point out one scan in which SS was purely "travelling". Obviously though u cant thats why u keep dodging the question and coming up with stupid replies that actually further prove SS has does in fact have combat speed.

What a joke.

😂

What you showed wwas totallty unrelated to combat speed, it isn't the samething in any shape or form. True combat speed is what somone liek flash or quicksilver would do, someone like supes or even logan already potrayed this so....man ur just clueless all around. 😆

Originally posted by fangirl101
Orion's energy far outstrips Surfer's. he's also faster, has the MB that is as versatile as Thor and can amp, and Orion is a better fighter and Is faster than surfer. By alot.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
You havn't proven anything, just SS travel speed and thats about it. You obviosuly don't understand what combat speed is, although if you've ever seen flash,QS or even a DBZ fight you would have a idea of what it's supposed to look like. There are basically 3 aspects to what constitutes true combat speed, that being mobility and intiation and reflex. Mobility would be how they move about in the battlefield and intiation being how fast they can strike...and reflex is obviously how they react. SS has never applied the speed you posted agaisnt a opponent, sure he can intiate blast which I give him credit for...but he hardly bullrushed let alone converting his travel speed into battle.

Noone on the battle field fights anywhere close to anyone on dbz, stop bring them up.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof of Orion being far faster or having far better energy output?

I'd say there energy output is the same, really depends on which gear Orion is packing but a standard Orion energy output is equal to SS IMO. In terms of combat speed, Orion doesn't have supes/flash/QS h2h speed but he can propel his body into superspeed much like DS...but his MA talent is vastly beyond SS.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
I'd say there energy output is the same, really depends on which gear Orion is packing but a standard Orion energy output is equal to SS IMO. In terms of combat speed, Orion doesn't have supes/flash/QS h2h speed but he can propel his body into superspeed much like DS...but his MA talent is vastly beyond SS.

And if Orion doesn't have combat speed(the way you describe it anyway), then why did you claim that his combat speed is far better than Surfer's before? Do you have any proof to support the claim that Orion's faster?

Team 2.

This thread isn't fair tbh.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
What you showed wwas totallty unrelated to combat speed, it isn't the samething in any shape or form. True combat speed is what somone liek flash or quicksilver would do, someone like supes or even logan already potrayed this so....man ur just clueless all around. 😆

🙄 More dodging. Im asking u again to bring up the scans i showed and explain to me how they were all unrelated to combat speed. Really u gave ur defintion of combat speed and those scans fulfill them perfectly.

But since u dont even know what u urself are talking about let me point out the criteria u gave for combat speed

1.- Mobility across the battlefiled- The scans i provided showed SS manoevring at high speeds across the battlefield while IN BATTLE

2.- initiation of atacks at high speed- The Scans showed SS initiating blasts while manoevring at high speeds as well.

3- reflexes- Scans showed SS dodging attacks while manoevring at high speeds and intiating counter attacks of his own as well.

Now can u please justify ur claim that it has nothing to do with combat speed even though it satisfies all the criteria u even provided.
And please try to come up with a better answer than "all he was doing was travelling" 😂

Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer's energy output has created large black holes as a side effect, what does standard Orion have that makes him Surfer's equal in that department?

And if Orion doesn't have combat speed(the way you describe it anyway), then why did you claim that his combat speed is far better than Surfer's before? Do you have any proof to support the claim that Orion's faster?

He can propel is body in h2h to superspeed which SS can't, SS doesn't ultalize speed when fight opponents. In the situations when SS has relied on nothing but MA, he hasn't even propelled his body to the effect that DS and Orion do. I'm assuming this is Orion with the astro foce, although FG might imply something else by standard gear.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
🙄 More dodging. Im asking u again to bring up the scans i showed and explain to me how they were all unrelated to combat speed. Really u gave ur defintion of combat speed and those scans fulfill them perfectly.

But since u dont even know what u urself are talking about let me point out the criteria u gave for combat speed

1.- Mobility across the battlefiled- The scans i provided showed SS manoevring at high speeds across the battlefield while IN BATTLE

2.- initiation of atacks at high speed- The Scans showed SS initiating blasts while manoevring at high speeds as well.

3- reflexes- Scans showed SS dodging attacks while manoevring at high speeds and intiating counter attacks of his own as well.

Now can u please justify ur claim that it has nothing to do with combat speed even though it satisfies all the criteria u even provided.
And please try to come up with a better answer than "all he was doing was travelling" 😂

It wasn't agaisnt a opponent, SS destroying ships at superspeed doesn't mean he can fight at those speeds....which nearly every fight agaisnt opponents prove. Destroying ships doesnt equal h2h speed....srry to break the news.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
It wasn't agaisnt a opponent, SS destroying ships at superspeed doesn't mean he can fight at those speeds....which nearly every fight agaisnt opponents prove. Destroying ships doesnt equal h2h speed....srry to break the news.

lol. I was just waiting for this foolish line of thought.

1.SS was acually FIGHTING the ships at those speeds using blasts.
2. U really must be a RETARD. H2H speed is not = to combat speed. SS does not have to use punches as attacks to show combat speed. He makes use of blasts not punches. SS does not fight h2h regularly, he makes use of BLASTS. This is NOT a h2h fight. Do u get that? No where in the OP is it indicated that this fight is limited to h2h. Go learn how to read.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
lol. I was just waiting for this foolish line of thought.

1.SS was acually FIGHTING the ships at those speeds using blasts.
2. U really must be a RETARD. H2H speed is not = to combat speed. SS does not have to use punches as attacks to show combat speed. He makes use of blasts not punches. SS does not fight h2h regularly, he makes use of BLASTS. This is NOT a h2h fight. Do u get that? No where in the OP is it indicated that this fight is limited to h2h. Go learn how to read.

Does you're mon and dad know you use the internet, besides that point he doesnt have sueprspeed combat speed so wat r u going on about. Combat speed would be how he applies his speed during fights with opponents jack.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Does you're mon and dad know you use the internet?

😱 So where back to ur old tactics of dodging and trying to derail the thread with lame flame attempts. Pathetic. 😂

Ur post didnt even make sense. Combat speed would be how he applies his speed in fights with opponents? And what he does against Deathurge counts as what? Oh let me guess "travelling"?

ultimate thor and galen, i'm going to ask you nicely. stop bashing, please.

i really think you should either agree to disagree, or stick each other on ignore...

i don't want to have to close this thread...

Originally posted by The Great Galen
He can propel is body in h2h to superspeed which SS can't, SS doesn't ultalize speed when fight opponents. In the situations when SS has relied on nothing but MA, he hasn't even propelled his body to the effect that DS and Orion do. I'm assuming this is Orion with the astro foce, although FG might imply something else by standard gear.

Originally posted by Raoul
ultimate thor and galen, i'm going to ask you nicely. stop bashing, please.

i really think you should either agree to disagree, or stick each other on ignore...

i don't want to have to close this thread...

Yes you do.

Do it Paul! Do it! Close the thread! BAN THEM ALL!

Team 2.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
😱 So where back to ur old tactics of dodging and trying to derail the thread with lame flame attempts. Pathetic. 😂

Ur post didnt even make sense. Combat speed would be how he applies his speed in fights with opponents? And what he does against Deathurge counts as what? Oh let me guess "travelling"?

SS does not have combat speed, how many times do we have to go through this. If he used speed agaisnt a opponent and not a bunch of ships then yeah I would concede and u would have a point...but ur equating combat speed with some that is completly unrelated.