Originally posted by darthgoober
Wrong, Surfer can and does utilize speed in combat. If you want to do a feat to feat comparison then you can start off since you're the one claiming it'll be a deciding factor in the fight.
lol u have showed me these"combat speed"feats before....it was rather pathetic.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well let's compare them to Orion's. You start...And I'd be careful if I was you. You're just back from being banned and you're already coming dangerously close to trolling...
Wow this is a shock, ur bashing again....then again it isn't like ur credibility can't get any lower. Although I alread saw the scans of SS h2h speed....dude its not superspeed how many times do we have to go through this.
Originally posted by Raoul
ultimate thor and galen, i'm going to ask you nicely. stop bashing, please.i really think you should either agree to disagree, or stick each other on ignore...
i don't want to have to close this thread...
Galen does this all the time. Takes a fight that clearly is not limited to H2H and then attempts to say, since Opponent X isn't as good in H2H situations as Opponent Y, he loses. When in actuality it has very little bearing on the fight. Surfer has won plenty of fights against plenty of powerful opponents without needing to resort to H2H.
Unless he can prove it would need to come down to H2H IMO he should be told to drop the line of thought.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Wow this is a shock, ur bashing again....then again it isn't like ur credibility can't get any lower. Although I alread saw the scans of SS h2h speed....dude its not superspeed how many times do we have to go through this.
Originally posted by Raoul
you know bloody well how.if you have an opinion, then back it up. don't clog up threads by saying the same thing over and over. that's trolling.
I'm trying to keep you from getting banned for doing the same thing you got in trouble for before. I mean if you'd rather I just used the report button to bring an end to the nonsense that's fine, I just figured you'd rather hear it from me before you actually got into trouble than hear it from a mod afterwards since it'll probably be accompanied by a ban...
And Surfer's feats are just as much speed feats as Orion's are, how many times do I have to tell you? Of course if you want we can start that comparison any time you're ready...
Originally posted by Enyalus
Galen does this all the time. Takes a fight that clearly is not limited to H2H and then attempts to say, since Opponent X isn't as good in H2H situations as Opponent Y, he loses. When in actuality it has very little bearing on the fight. Surfer has won plenty of fights against plenty of powerful opponents without needing to resort to H2H.Unless he can prove it would need to come down to H2H IMO he should be told to drop the line of thought.
i appreciate that you're trying to help, but it's ok, i got this, as the man said...
I give this to team 1, thor is as powerful as surfer, hell he is a brute form of surfer.
Bill is the icing on the cake though, he is thor but he's a non holding back thor. Hes bringing to the table planet destroying hits at the beginning of the fight. I honestly would give him a good majority over anyone on the opposing team except maybe surfer.
Wonder woman would stalemate superman and could probably take some wins from him due to her being faster but I think that she would stalemate him long enough to give anyone on her team a chance to quickly end the fight.
Orion vs hal, I give the edge to orion due to hals shields not being able to hold orion back.
I use to think that sentry was as powerful as you can get but his recent showings is making me change my mind. They are treating him just like they have done terrax, gladiator, apocalypse,etc..., marvel is making him into a punching bag to make other characters look powerful.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
So legitimate flash/qs/superman type combat speed?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
I'd say there energy output is the same, really depends on which gear Orion is packing but a standard Orion energy output is equal to SS IMO. In terms of combat speed, Orion doesn't have supes/flash/QS h2h speed but he can propel his body into superspeed much like DS...but his MA talent is vastly beyond SS.
...so I don't need to provide examples of that kind here. You start posting Orion's feats and start posting comparable feats from Surfer.
Originally posted by carver9
I give this to team 1, thor is as powerful as surfer, hell he is a brute form of surfer.Bill is the icing on the cake though, he is thor but he's a non holding back thor. Hes bringing to the table planet destroying hits at the beginning of the fight. I honestly would give him a good majority over anyone on the opposing team except maybe surfer.
Wonder woman would stalemate superman and could probably take some wins from him due to her being faster but I think that she would stalemate him long enough to give anyone on her team a chance to quickly end the fight.
Orion vs hal, I give the edge to orion due to hals shields not being able to hold orion back.
I use to think that sentry was as powerful as you can get but his recent showings is making me change my mind. They are treating him just like they have done terrax, gladiator, apocalypse,etc..., marvel is making him into a punching bag to make other characters look powerful.
Well i agree with most of this ( though im not sure bill could take superman). The two real weak links in this match are diana and Sentry. Now if surfer goes after Diana, the smartest thing for team one would be for Thor to go after Sentry. Those two matches would finish fairly quickly. From there its pretty tough as to who would win. Maybe slight edge to team one.
Originally posted by Raoul
have you given any proof as to your opinion? a scan, even an issue number?
Im not really making any huge accusations though, I said Orion wasn't a fast as somone like supes or flash in terms of combat speed and that he could only prople his boyd in spurts to achieve a very"light"version of superspeed h2h. I know for a fact SS has never been shown to ultalize speed in the same manner someone like Supes/flash or quicksilver has...that is the only assertion im making.