Originally posted by RobtardThey don't leave alone really though, do they.
I don't paint Israel in such a positive light, I'm certain they've done and continue to do some ****ed-up shit themselves, but for the most part, when they're left alone, they leave alone and they're obliged to retaliate as hard as they can when provoked, if they didn't, they'd deemed weak.
As Bicnarok already posted
What are the people living in the worst conditions in those places to do?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
[QUOTE=11438450]Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
[B]Robtard and Wild Shadow. Be on topic or be out. Your choice.I think Ush has already been more than tolerant to you.
I, however, will not be too nice.
with all do respect i am tackling this debate from another angle and the cause of this tormoil....being threaten because my view seems to offend some one is not very democratic or seem to help the debating issue.. i would like to have something i said pointed out where it seems to be inappropriate for this debate please....
having said that the reason this is happening has much to do with what has already bn mention... religiously, historically and tribal cultural mentality.. where killing some member of a family will simply fuel the flame of hate for the next generation..... both sides need to come up with more reasonable ways of settling this... from harsher punishment and more active persuit of hamas members.
from what i learned about tribal mentality it must be conquered by force and fear pretty much how suddam hussein ruled... otherwise it is taken as weakness that will be taken advantage of,,,so on the one side i do believe strong show of force needs to be shown but it should be more carefully targeted... one single strong assault with massive death.. not this petty back and fourth bull..
to be perfectly honest this problem will never be resolved till one side is obliterated... hate to say this by i tend to go for the group whose home has bn invaded.. and believe that a small army can win against a large one using unconventional means
Originally posted by Bardock42
Could have at least fixed the quoting error.But who do you think should obliterate who, or what should happen?
Also, you said something "all jews believe"...which is idiotic as Jews, like other humans, have their own opinions and don't all operate under one frame of mind.
really meant the "jew" comment as the plural for the religion not the ppl and was talking about the fundamental religious followers..
the ones that run and throw molatov cocktails at a jewish christians house because they are christian and live in asreal
kinda like the fundamental christian type deal... who bomb abortion and preach certain hate..
i get really tired when ppl make it sound more then it is.. but again i apologize to ppl
Can someone give a breif synopsis of what happened where the UN handed this land over cause I'm not completely sure how it happened.
I wonder how McCain would've commented on this situation had he been elected president. Obama was talking about both sides coming to realize that lives are being lost and finding a way to end the conflict on a secular basis (unlikely).
I never understand how this crap begins anyway in that region. Religious fundamentalism just seems like a scapegoat cause that's how most conflicts in the Middle East are generally explained in the mainstream media.
Originally posted by chithappens
Can someone give a breif synopsis of what happened where the UN handed this land over cause I'm not completely sure how it happened.I wonder how McCain would've commented on this situation had he been elected president. Obama was talking about both sides coming to realize that lives are being lost and finding a way to end the conflict on a secular basis (unlikely).
I never understand how this crap begins anyway in that region. Religious fundamentalism just seems like a scapegoat cause that's how most conflicts in the Middle East are generally explained in the mainstream media.
In short, the Brits gave up control and created a separate Arab and Jewish state.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They don't leave alone really though, do they.As Bicnarok already posted
What are the people living in the worst conditions in those places to do?
That map is from ifamericaknew.com, an anti-Jewish(or Israel site), so take it with a grain of salt.
Look up the history of Judea and the Kingdom of Israel, the Jews have been in that region a VERY long time. So saying "Israel stole it", isn't really factually true. It would be like the U.S. government accusing the native American Indians of "stealing", if they showhow were about to take America back for themselves.
Originally posted by Bardock42
What is your point again...I don't really understand what you are trying to say at all.
my point is that their are jewish fundamentalist ideas that believe that the entire land is theirs and are destined to have it...
then you have ppl who have lived their for thousands of yrs having it all taken away... also has fundamentalist ideas on how to handle said problem...
my top statement does not encompass the views of every isreali person. just those who are fundamentalist and have religions views of land expansion by right of divine inheritence....
i support the surrounding nations who have had their lands taken away... to get it back by whatever means they are capable of..
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
my point is that their are jewish fundamentalist ideas that believe that the entire land is theirs and are destined to have it...
If your point is that they're are some crazy ****ing Jews who think Israel belongs solely to them because of God's decree, then you're right, I've been to Israel and I've personally seen those crazy ****ing Jews. The Israeli government often butts head with them, they won't serve in the military, but they want everything done their way.
On that note, there are some crazy ****ing Muslims, Christians, Hindus etc., who all have some concept of self entitlement because of said religion.
Originally posted by RobtardAnd they haven't been in that region for just as long. Yes they were there 2000 years ago, but that's no reason to take away land from the people that had it for the 2000 years in between.
That map is from ifamericaknew.com, an anti-Jewish(or Israel site), so take it with a grain of salt.Look up the history of Judea and the Kingdom of Israel, the Jews have been in that region a VERY long time. So saying "Israel stole it", isn't really factually true. It would be like the U.S. government accusing the native American Indians of "stealing", if they showhow were about to take America back for themselves.
It wasn't the best solution, really. But it wasn't horrible either, but Israel did indeed expand far beyond what they were given and made Palestinians live in shitty ghettos on the outskirts of Israel.
Originally posted by Bardock42
but Israel did indeed expand far beyond what they were given and made Palestinians live in shitty ghettos on the outskirts of Israel.
That's why I've been confused - seeing the maps and then looking over than Wiki link leads me to believe that Isarel is more of an aggressor than is being portrayed. But my knowledge on this region is poor at best.
Originally posted by Robtard
If your point is that they're are some crazy ****ing Jews who think Israel belongs solely to them because of God's decree, then you're right, I've been to Israel and I've personally seen those crazy ****ing Jews. The Israeli government often butts head with them, they won't serve in the military, but they want everything done their way.
seen same said crazies throw molatov coctails at a jewish christian home and chant in hebrew of killing unbelievers and should b stoned to death,,, just because they are christian
On that note, there are some crazy ****ing Muslims, Christians, Hindus etc., who all have some concept of self entitlement because of said religion. [/B][/QUOTE]
true they are both extreme on both sides and neither can survive together in the old days one side would be exterminated... but sadly you cant do that no more with the world watching the most basic concept of victory is no longer viable...
They did vastly expand, that is a fact.
They did it after being attacked first, admittedly, but whether that might be a bit like retaliating on someone spitting in your face by raping and killing his whole family in front of his eyes then force feed them to him before beating him up and raping him, too...is debatable, I guess.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They did vastly expand, that is a fact.They did it after being attacked first, admittedly, but whether that might be a bit like retaliating on someone spitting in your face by raping and killing his whole family in front of his eyes then force feed them to him before beating him up and raping him, too...is debatable, I guess.
The UN should have been keeping tabs on that because there is no reason to allow expansion even if they were attacked first. The UN is ****ing useless. Have they ever enforced anything successfully?
Originally posted by Robtard
If your point is that they're are some crazy ****ing Jews who think Israel belongs solely to them because of God's decree, then you're right, I've been to Israel and I've personally seen those crazy ****ing Jews. The Israeli government often butts head with them, they won't serve in the military, but they want everything done their way.On that note, there are some crazy ****ing Muslims, Christians, Hindus etc., who all have some concept of self entitlement because of said religion.
Yep its that selection of loons that I have had issues with before.
Its a shame that the populations at large are always dominated and bound to fates by the actions of the radical few.
Have these idiots never seem STII:TWOK..?
You know, "The needs of the many outweighing the news of the few...or the one (loon)" etc...?