Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Perhaps not on the scale, but the problems would still exist and conflict would be there- religion is used to encourage the flames but it is not the fuel.
I'd say it's definitely fuel. Whether it's the spark...dunno, it could very well be. But there's obviously other reasons, too.
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I like how we're trying to pin this conflict on religion...If they hadn't been religious the problems would still exist- case in point, Scotland/England.
If that was directed at me, no, I'm not actually. Religion is a major aspect of it though, we're talking about the "Holy Land", after all.
More to your issue though, is it the religions fault or how those who wage war use it to their ends? I can go on a Holy Crusade and kill all the Muslims that run the mini-mart down the street and do it in the name of Christ. Does that mean Christianity is to blame for my murderous spree? No.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'd say it's definitely fuel. Whether it's the spark...dunno, it could very well be. But there's obviously other reasons, too.
Your right it is the fuel, I got my analogy all wrong- its used to fuel the flames, but it didn't cause them- I think the conflict over land and the racial displacement of an entire people is what caused the trouble here.
i think the whole scenario is that they are a very small country surrounded by very big countries who all want their heads on pikes. I really like how everyone doesn't mind it when suicide bombers kill hundreds on Israeli civilian streets but the instant Israelis make one slip-up and kill a few civilians everyone is down their back
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11...yeah, the israeli deaths really far outweigh the plight of the palestinians in this conflict.
i think the whole scenario is that they are a very small country surrounded by very big countries who all want their heads on pikes. I really like how everyone doesn't mind it when suicide bombers kill hundreds on Israeli civilian streets but the instant Israelis make one slip-up and kill a few civilians everyone is down their back
Originally posted by Bardock42
...yeah, the israeli deaths really far outweigh the plight of the palestinians in this conflict.
I know you're being sarcastic, but what you're implying kind of misses his point. He was referring to a double standard.
Whether or not I agree with his idea on the double standard doesn't matter, though. I am not quite sure if there really is a double standard. I see or hear about attacks and casualties from both sides of the conflict all the time. So I'm having a hard time seeing a double standard.
well the palestinian bomb attacks are so old news they have been happening forever. when it happens its like "oh, again?" but look, we have a 6 page thread on kmc about it the first time the israelis do anything and we are all in awe. :/ not like i'm taking sides, its not like the israelis have aligned themselves against the western world.
Originally posted by dadudemonBut that double standard is actually the opposite of what he implies, and only because of blatant existence do people actually talk about palestinians more. If for every Israeli deaths Israel wouldn't turn around and kill a 100 Palestinians more people would focus on the suicide bombings ... not that they actually don't, most terrorists acts are reported and get attention, so I don't really think the hypocrisy he pretends exist, does exist. Especially, since way more Palestinians are in trouble, which, makes it just logical that the side that has more casulties gets more sympathy.
I know you're being sarcastic, but what you're implying kind of misses his point. He was referring to a double standard.Whether or not I agree with his idea on the double standard doesn't matter, though. I am not quite sure if there really is a double standard. I see or hear about attacks and casualties from both sides of the conflict all the time. So I'm having a hard time seeing a double standard.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11Are you joking, dumb as a stick, or have just discovered that there's something as "News" yesterday?
well the palestinian bomb attacks are so old news they have been happening forever. when it happens its like "oh, again?" but look, we have a 6 page thread on kmc about it the first time the israelis do anything and we are all in awe. :/ not like i'm taking sides, its not like the israelis have aligned themselves against the western world.
Focus on death from the skies.
For the last six months:
Israeli deaths from airbourne missiles: 0.
Palestinean deaths from Airbourne missiles: Who's counting?
Missiles/shells to Israel landing in unoccupied plots of Israeli land.
Except for the odd one which rides a strong gust of wind to concuss a drunk jaywalker, hit a barn door, warehouse, Cornfield etc.
No one in Israel is dumb enough to build their house within range on a hillside facing the west bank. Water treatment facility, maybe. Shopping Mall? Hell No.
These attacks are really nuisance value/heckling than actual lethal warfare.
lets face it its not like these guys are packing cutting edge tech lol.
Originally posted by RobtardI agree in that I dislike terrorism as a way of war, but it is sometimes the only possibility to contend. And, although they do target civilians, they still kill about 5-10 times less than the other side that does not target civilians.
Here's one:The suicide bomber specifically targets civilians, i.e. buses, shops, malls etc.
The IDF soldier doesn't.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree in that I dislike terrorism as a way of war, but it is sometimes the only possibility to contend. And, although they do target civilians, they still kill about 5-10 times less than the other side that does not target civilians.
Because they don't have the capabilities to do so, if Iran where to arm them with modern armaments, they'd use them without restraint.
The reason Israeli strikes kill so many civilians is because Hamas, Hizbullah and the like make sure they have no choice but to kill civilians while targeting the threats.
Here's a scenario: What if Israel when back to the 1940's land-scale, it gave up whatever land it had captured in subsequent wars and withdrew into itself. Do you think the suicide bombings and attacks would stop, or would those radical Islamic groups still stay true to their cause of wiping her off the map?