Israeli Bombing raids, over the top?

The thing is where do you draw the line, the cave men probably had it at sometime, so why not find their nearest genetic relatives and give it to them.

As for this Abraham business, don´t the Muslims think he was their forefather as well, in a positive sense?

Israel killing terrorists..good for them.

Watching CNN it's funny to see the protesters in London.

Where are their bleeding hearts for the dead Israelis killed by Hamas rockets?

Or is that not cool and rebellious enough to protest about?

There´s always people wanting to protest about something, a military might attacking a weaker enemy and killing civilians tends to get people wound up.

That MP George Galloway is involved in ab ig way organizing it, he doesn´t like Israel for some reason

Odd that terrorist attacks on civilains doesn't get people wound up in the same fashion, no?

Because he's a paid crony to a few Jew hating Arab countries. He may also hate Jews too, but I think $$$ is the main factor.

Edit: I wish Israel wouldn't retaliate for a month after an attack and subsequent attacks, just to see what the world has to say over just Israeli civilains being killed.

terrorist attacks are bad as well, but you can kill more people with air strikes, artillery in urban areas etc.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
terrorist attacks are bad as well, but you can kill more people with air strikes, artillery in urban areas etc.

What if terrorists are hiding in urban areas?

Then its a nightmare.

For the civilians, the attacking forces cause they don´t know who the enemy are etc.

The French did this in the second world war, they were called freedom fighters and hailed as heroes.

Originally posted by KidRock
Israel killing terrorists..good for them.

Watching CNN it's funny to see the protesters in London.

Where are their bleeding hearts for the dead Israelis killed by Hamas rockets?

Or is that not cool and rebellious enough to protest about?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jan/01/israelandthepalestinians.international

In 2007 there were 13 Israelis killed 7 of them civilians
There were also 373 Palestinians killed 130 of them civilians and 53 of them were under 18

So, just looking at civilians in 2007, 18.5 times more were killed on Palestine's side.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/29/gaza-israel-attack

Really dude: "In total, Palestinian rockets fired from Gaza have killed around 18 people in southern Israel in the past eight years."

Cry me a ****ing river...in the last 8 years more people died from coconuts falling on a monkey who in turn got so angry he clawed down the next human he could find than from Hamas rockets. Proportion is important.

Yes, Israeli deaths are sad, but everyone mourns them and they get avenged twentyfold, so lets focus more on those on the shit side of the stick for a while.

Well, myself and- evidently- a lot of posters here blame hamas for creating that side of the stick so the sypmathy there is going to be low- especially as, as previously stated, that just seems to be knocking on Israel for being beter with their military, rathert than for any moral reason. I agree with the earlier stated comment that if the situation of arms was reversed, Israwl would face total annihilation, so in context their actions seem relatively light.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well, myself and- evidently- a lot of posters here blame hamas for creating that side of the stick so the sypmathy there is going to be low- especially as, as previously stated, that just seems to be knocking on Israel for being beter with their military, rathert than for any moral reason. I agree with the earlier stated comment that if the situation of arms was reversed, Israwl would face total annihilation, so in context their actions seem relatively light.

So, I'd agree with an Israel bad, Hamas worse, Dead Israeli Civilians sad, Dead Palestinian Civilians sadder (because 20 times as many)...

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
abraham isaac and jacob, all of the jewish forefathers lived in israel. The non-jew races are descendants of abraham's bastard son.

This is what I mean. They are both from the same Father. There is no Jewish or Semitic "Race". It is a Religion. And its all about Religion. I think when the Allied forces gave the land to The "Jews" they new this would cause strife and that It would give them reason to protect and therefore aide in the conquering of the Mideast giving the Allied forces, America/Great Britain etc. control over the Oil. This is the same tactic the Roman Empire used. They would find a small weak tribe in Gaul and when the Neighboring Germanic tribe incurred, it Gave The Roman Senate an excuse to go to the small tribe and liberate and intern help conquer the surrounding tribes. Nothing new Under the Sun.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Whcih both are Semitic in ethnicity, so...unless you want to say that the Jews/Hebrews aren't semitic, don't usee those cultures as an argument.

They were in Iran, not Israel so they're irrelevant.

And, finally, the Amelkites were in the Roman province of Arabia, not Judea, so again, irrelevant.

I dont know where you learned your history but The Canaanites were there before Abraham came from Babylon to settle. Which i am sure everyone knows that Abraham is the Father of the Hebrews who fallowed Yah-weh. Now Amelkites being a Roman Province? Rome was still in straw huts when the Amelkites were a people, we are talking 2,000 years prior to ROMA????

Originally posted by Lycanthrope
This is what I mean. They are both from the same Father. Ismael that is. There is no Jewish or Semitic "Race". It is a Religion. And its all about Religion. I think when the Allied forces gave the land to The "Jews" they new this would cause strife and that It would give them reason to protect and therefore aide in the conquering of the Mideast giving the Allied forces, America/Great Britain etc. control over the Oil. This is the same tactic the Roman Empire used. They would find a small weak tribe in Gaul and when the Neighboring Germanic tribe incurred, it Gave The Roman Senate an excuse to go to the small tribe and liberate and intern help conquer the surrounding tribes. Nothing new Under the Sun.

When i said "They" were from the same Father i meant Issac and Ismael. So how can they be a different race.

Originally posted by Robtard
Just go on and say "I hate Jews", it'll save you a lot of senseless typing.

Curious, what do you think the Palestians think of the land?

This is unfair for you to say I hate Jews. I hate bully's. Not people.

And I think The Palestinians think that the Israelis should stop incurring on their land.

Quadruple post, dude.

Hell.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Quadruple post, dude.

Hell.

I apologize if i didnt fallow Forum protocol. I didnt realize one was limited. I just dont know how to address multiple people with one post. Please forgive me.

The problem is Israel is expanding its territory by stealth, and keeping the Palestinians in secluded areas like prisoners.

What Israel have made from what used to be deserted area of the middle east is impressive and progressive, if they hadn´t been put there after the war then it would probably still be barren.

So thier input is positive in that sense, just a shame the Palestinians can´t benefit from it.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
The problem is Israel is expanding its territory by stealth, and keeping the Palestinians in secluded areas like prisoners.

What Israel have made from what used to be deserted area of the middle east is impressive and progressive, if they hadn´t been put there after the war then it would probably still be barren.

So thier input is positive in that sense, just a shame the Palestinians can´t benefit from it.

Well said.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree with that statement, I just don't think that it morally justifies the actions. (someone else would be worse, doesn't excuse anyone's behaviour, imo). But I don't think the sympathy is with Hamas, as KidRock makes it out. I believe the sympathy, at least mine, is with the civilian Palestinians, that already live in horrendous conditions...and, while I would say the Arab world, and Hamas in particular is initially to blame, I don't think that Israel is therefore blameless...and they have their share of shit-stirring.

So, I'd agree with an Israel bad, Hamas worse, Dead Israeli Civilians sad, Dead Palestinian Civilians sadder (because 20 times as many)...

... So basically, the middle east is one big cluster****. 😐

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
... So basically, the middle east is one big cluster****. 😐

Was there doubt about that in anyone's mind?