Originally posted by Lord Lucien
But why do you say that?
Kas'im mastered EVERY possible sequence of EVERY move of EVERY form (except Vapaad, since it wasn't invented yet).
He was stated to be perhaps the greatest swordsman ever, and this was after the greats such as Exar Kun/Ragnos/Revan, meaning that he is skilled enough to rival them all in sabers.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallNo no, I'm not referring to a saber fight. IMO, Kas'im would defeat Vader in pure sabers. I mean why do you think Vader isn't far more powerful than Kas'im in the Force?
Kas'im mastered EVERY possible sequence of EVERY move of EVERY form (except Vapaad, since it wasn't invented yet).He was stated to be perhaps the greatest swordsman ever, and this was after the greats such as Exar Kun/Ragnos/Revan, meaning that he is skilled enough to rival them all in sabers.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
No no, I'm not referring to a saber fight. IMO, Kas'im would defeat Vader in pure sabers. I mean why do you think Vader isn't far more powerful than Kas'im in the Force?
I never said that he wasn't far more powerful IN THE FORCE. What I'm arguing was in an all out fight Kas'im's superior lightsaber skill would be enough to compensate enough so that is would at least be a close fight (not Vader winning by FAR). In fact, it's highly likely that Kas'im would win, since he drove back BANE.
Originally posted by HewhoknowsallAh, you meant "far more skilled." Choice of words.
I never said that he wasn't far more powerful IN THE FORCE. What I'm arguing was in an all out fight Kas'im's superior lightsaber skill would be enough to compensate enough so that is would at least be a close fight (not Vader winning by FAR). In fact, it's highly likely that Kas'im would win, since he drove back BANE.
Knowing Vader's (and everyone else's, really) method of engaging in a saber duel before busting out the powerful Force attacks, then yeah there's a... fair chance that Kas'im would break through Vader's defenses in time.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Ah, you meant "far more skilled." Choice of words.Knowing Vader's (and everyone else's, really) method of engaging in a saber duel before busting out the powerful Force attacks, then yeah there's a... fair chance that Kas'im would break through Vader's defenses in time.
Right, and even if he doesn't, it would at least be a close fight.
Kas'im mastered EVERY possible sequence of EVERY move of EVERY form (except Vapaad, since it wasn't invented yet).
So did Anoon, and was defeated by Maul, who in turn had a hard time with Vader. So Kasi'm is not gonna effortlessly crush Vader in a duel. However, Vader will easily crush Kasi'm in a force contest.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Not really.And your (laughably bad) ABC fails twice:
1. It is an ABC.
2. The Maul Anoon fought was not the same as the one Vader fought.
Really? Explain the fight with Anoon.
Vader and Maul fought on even ground. It was more of a lightsaber duel, with Vader using the force twice, which were not aimed directly at Maul.
Anoon was the "battlemaster". Am I right.
You tell me how my arguement fails.
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I don't get this part.
The duel in Resurrection was between Vader and what Leland Chee describes as being either a clone, an illusion like what Luke fought on Dagobah and a couple other possibilities. We have no idea if that version of Maul was actually as strong as the real Maul since they aren't inherently the same.
Originally posted by Advent
The duel in Resurrection was between Vader and what Leland Chee describes as being either a clone, an illusion like what Luke fought on Dagobah and a couple other possibilities. We have no idea if that version of Maul was actually as strong as the real Maul since they aren't inherently the same.
If that Maul wasn't as strong, then that's even worse for Vader that he got beat by a WEAKER Maul.
Originally posted by Advent
The duel in Resurrection was between Vader and what Leland Chee describes as being either a clone, an illusion like what Luke fought on Dagobah and a couple other possibilities. We have no idea if that version of Maul was actually as strong as the real Maul since they aren't inherently the same.
Can I get the exact quote if you don't mind. In comic they describe Maul as being the same in every way.
there is the thing about clones, with the exception of Sidious, who inhabits the clone in DE, clones in the star wars universe should not be considered the same as their predecessors. Just because the mando clones were all the same, it is because they recieved all the same life experiences.
Look at Boba and Jango, clones, but definitly not exactly the same, and in this case, the Clone is widely considered the more powerful of the two.
What vader accomplished against a clone Maul cannot be equated to a fight with the Maul that is described in Shadow hunter and other sources.
what source was this? I don't know anything about it. I assumed it was a comic book or something? I was told about it, but haven't seen it myself.
If it doesn't say in the source WHAT it is, and it looks just like maul, wouldn't we have to assume it is maul? And therefore assume that it isn't canon?
These are questions, because i lack details on the subject.
Originally posted by AdventShort and sweet... like Miss Advent, herself. 😉
The duel in Resurrection was between Vader and what Leland Chee describes as being either a clone, an illusion like what Luke fought on Dagobah and a couple other possibilities. We have no idea if that version of Maul was actually as strong as the real Maul since they aren't inherently the same.