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Originally posted by Utrigita
I’m using abilities just like you BT. Whirlwind is a ability for Lady Vashj like a storm is a ability for Malfurion both in the RPG and in the Books. Agree to disagree then because we are beginning to run in circles on this point.What? Yes I’m getting confused because you are contradicting yourself in a increasing rate, at one hand you is saying that the Guadian of Balance isn’t required to maintain the connection between the other Guardians and the Pillars and with the other you say that the Balance Guardian is required. Read what you have written you are saying that the Guardians need the Balance Guardian to maintain their connection while you directly afterwards is saying that it isn’t the case, so perhaps you can understand my confusion.
Let me just quote what you said.
I was (specificly?) addressing the connection between the Pillars and the Balance Guardian, but perhaps you can tell me how you doesn’t think that the Balance Guardian can turn off the Pillars and their connection to the individual Guardian when that is exactly what happened when the Balance Guardian died. And let me ask you another thing BT how can the connection be passive while it apparently still requires that the Guardian control it?
Then might I suggest that until you find out how they do it? Because if they can draw magic when they are left with no connection to the pillars and their hub, then Archimonde that has never required either will most certainly be capable of drawing magic as well.
And if you use the site just before you would notice that it’s only a reference to the pillars, that is the difference BT, also one thing that you should notice is that the Balance Guardian ”influenced” the regulation not controlled the regulation, and you own site says so too.
Yeah and a Fansite is sure to be entirely legatime on the a line with the Original site? Wrong that Site is also made from Fans just like the Wiki entry is, had it been made by the developers it would hold much more weight, the only real difference is that the site you have is being controlled by a single person where as the wiki is editable by several, and who are to say that the one person is more right then the others?
But you have just said that when the Balance Guardian died they had no access to the Pillars.
Guardians can from my point of view only control the magic originating from the pillars, else it would make no sense to why the Pillars when the Guardian dies becomes shut down, while the rest of Nosgoth can still draw magic.
Oh yes it does if Kain have never used that ability against any foe whatsoever then trying to apply it to a debate with CIS active would be speculation and assumptions and remember what you said about that
Likewise it is logicless to assume that Kain would use his Regulation of magic to depower Arhcimonde because a Balance Guardian has never utilized the regulation they wield in that manner.
And you would notice that I’m not one of them that says we should, what I have said again and again but you repeatly seems to be capable of overlook is that strictly speaking according to the rules only feats shown usable non-canon vs canon. But as also said she is leaving the details to the threadstarter. Well and in Legacy of Kain he returns their when he has been killed to technically it would count as a kill theirby a win.
I wasn’t bringing up the amount of damaged dealt merely that by the rules usable according to the mod then the Finger of Death is usable in a debate.
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yes but the abilities ime using have factual values, mist form is mist, and its shown to be able to do things, your using gameplay mechanics...Kains spirit death for example is obvious for what it does and Kain tells us himself what it does...your assuming things from the gameplay mechanics themselves.
Ive not said that at all and ive not contradicted myself, I think your just assuming constantly that the pillars are the supreme source of every magic in Nosgoth, this has been proven false because even without a Balance guardian, said magic still excists, the only beings who benefit from the pillars is the guardians themselves.
Balance guardians passive connection with pillars required for Guardians full power, their not required for magic in the entire Nosgoth
Can you outline the actual contradiction?
Because the Balance guardian is dead, its a passive connection, a balance Guardian has never shown to be able to say "fck you guardians, ime turning off the pillar powers!" And as it says quite clearly the Balancee guardian regulates all the magic in Nosgoth, it doesnt say they have to regulate connections between pillars...the connection has little to do really with magic power overall, its simply a connecton all guardians have unless the balance guardian dies, its not regulated by balance guardian.
your still confused, I think your adding things from your own mind when you judge my posts, the pillars are not the hub of all magic and if they were thats still zero meaning to the connection to the pillars, not every being in Nosgoth has a link to the pillars...only the guardians, which is lost when Balance guardian is dead, their connection lost doesnt mean they have no magic....as ive said before Balance guardians regulate all the magic so Archimonde is no exception in a neutral world battle.
The role of the Balance Guardians was a reglatory one; their magic influenced the regulation of the other magic in Nosgoth. We can identify three Balance Guardians
Its simply saying their magic influenced it, not them by themselves...its the same thing, controlling regulation through magic, it wouldnt say regulation woudl it or that regulation was the Guardains role.
Its not a simple fansite, its an information site, it gives deep information on the games and often has sources for its information for example:
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/lok/guardians.php
which is about the guardians says at the top
The generic abilities given below are based on the Players section of the Silicon Knights Blood Omen FAQ, and the descriptions it gave of the Blood Omen era Guardians.
A wikia is never a case for fact, when info is taken into account, Wikia often comes last, simply because it can be edited by anyone, and its shown a lack of professoinalism in the fact its simply copied the Dark chronicles info when you click on the guardians...
If guardians could only use magic from the pillars they wouldnt be able to use magic when Ariel died and Kain battled them all....its obvious the pillars are simply their main power plant, ofc without it, theyve shown they can still use magic regardless.
wtf, thats like saying a man with a gun who shoots wolves at his farm could under no circumstances use that gun if a person attacked him, putting him in a combat situation so he cannot use his guns!, ofc its nonsense, your just trying to save the Warcraft characters magic from Kains regulation.
Thats not an assumption, its logic....factual logic, as I said above, its riduclous to think Kain could not use it in combat, its purpose would be exactley the same, regulating magic....
and in what manner? theres only one manner...regulation, simple....Archimonde forming a bubble out of TK is a completly diffrent ability alltogether.
false, he returns there when he is badly wounded....so no it wouldnt be a win, not even a defeat really, no more than using a healing spell of a paladin would be a defeat for the paladin...
I never said it want usable, i meant we shouldnt use it because not only has it never been used outside of gameplay mechanics but more importantly, all it is, is gameplay mechanics, it has no real fact about the spell to gauge its real power level.