Originally posted by The Great GalenSupes has also had his will overpowered a good number of times.
Again, Max had took a number of years with very intimate information on supes given his relationship with the leauge. Supes has battled and overcome a skyfather deity in the battle of the minds and won, I wish I could list all the times supes has resisted high level mind manipulation and won.
Originally posted by The Great GalenI think he was pointing out the times he hasn't shown great resistance.
Not ignoring, I'm simply point out the other situations when Supes has shown great resistance to this type of attack.
Originally posted by The Great GalenSuperboy Prime had an incredible amp in Infinite Crisis with his Anti-Monitor armor, enough to kick the crap out of a bunch of heroes. A FTL dip through Rao took it all away in less than an instant. I agree that Superman is more than a simple battery, although he says himself that he is a solar-powered battery in Final Crisis. But when he is depowered, he is pretty depowered.
If you think so then so be it, I named the situations in which it happened and I alreayd explained supes ability to regenerate nearly instantly while in the rays of the sun. Given the amp in power with the sundipp, it doesn't seem very likly to me.Supes is more then just a battery, which is why he can handle fairly well even when depowered. I don't have the example on my mind at the momment, I'll get back to this point laterz though(its a long reply heh)
Originally posted by The Great GalenYou might believe it would be useful against Thanos, but since Thanos has some of the most advanced teleportation technology around, maybe others wouldn't agree. But I wholeheartedly agree that GL feats are not interchangeable.
You were the one making the case that speed isn't viable for supes because of the rarity of it's use and the fact that it isn't in supes character....so when exactly has SS used a blackhole offensivly cause it sure as hell would have helped agaisnt all his encounters with Thanos. We don't argure powersets we argue with feats, otherwise all the GL's would be likewise in power lol.
Originally posted by The Great GalenWhich legitimate skyfathers are you referring to?
If you can try to downplay Supes villians if you want, it doesn't change the fact that he has competed agaisnt legitimate skyfathers and faired decently. I personally don't think high on Thanos, but I wouldn't downplay SS because of the fact that he literally gets raped by him in every encounter.
Originally posted by The Great GalenSilver Surfer has by sheer feats better durability, speed, energy blasting power and even better showings against more powerful opponents...
Funny thing, cause Supes has by sheer feats better durability,strength,speed,striking power and even better showings agaisnt more powerful opponents....
Originally posted by The Great GalenThought that was retconned into a Thanos clone...
Well if you want to consider it a high showing for Thor then by all means, but you understand most people would consider it a low showing for Thanos.They are all still below SS characters that have faired better, and that was the point.
Also, how did Champion, who didn't lay a single hand on Thanos, do better than Surfer? How did Gamora, who was playfully sparring with Thanos, useful as a basis of comparison with Silver Surfer's fights?
Originally posted by The Great GalenYou can infer a very simple thing: Superman would have died if not for timely intervention. "Didn't really phase supes?" That's really just wrong.
The blast is what the blast is, a explosion that destroyed a nebula sized sun eater didn't really phase supes...not much to infer from it.
Originally posted by The Great GalenStated by a reporter.
Dude, standard scientific measures can gauge type 2 supernova's and the core of the suns....I'm just telling you what was stated in comics. If you want to infer something different from that then go ahead, not going to waste time explaining my opinion of that statment again.Physically how do figure it is even debatable, in most situations when SS is knocked off his board or when the gap is closed...he is literally a fist out of water. You wanna argue about versatility being in SS's favor then fine I already conceded that point, but physically speaking SS has nothing on supes....and the blackhole in the chest thing is about as viable as supes T-Voing SS and duplicating his PC lol.
Surfer has fought pretty well off his board: Ravenous, God-Cable, etc. Silver Surfer fought a Herald inside of a black hole, Superman struggles inside black holes. Silver Surfer opened a black hole inside Gabriel's chest if you bother to read Annihilation: Silver Surfer. Superman never duplicated a completely alien form of energy with T-Vo.
The Great Galen: your last post is more of you saying the same wrong thing, that Silver Surfer only has navigational/travelling speed and could not fight against, much less react to, Superman's combat superspeed. That is just wrong. But I won't repeat the same arguments that Darthgoober and Raoul and god knows who else has been throwing throughout these threads.
Originally posted by The Great GalenSamsung Plasma = win. I only have a 42", but I love it.
Probably, and look i'll more then likly read his post but I dunno if I can get to responding today...just bought a new Samsung 52 inch plasma 1080 HD so I'm pretty occupied heh.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Great Galen: your last post is more of you saying the same wrong thing, that Silver Surfer only has navigational/travelling speed and could not fight against, much less react to, Superman's combat superspeed. That is just wrong. But I won't repeat the same arguments that Darthgoober and Raoul and god knows who else has been throwing throughout these threads.
umm... welcome back?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Supes has also had his will overpowered a good number of times.
I think he was pointing out the times he hasn't shown great resistance.
Superboy Prime had an incredible amp in Infinite Crisis with his Anti-Monitor armor, enough to kick the crap out of a bunch of heroes. A FTL dip through Rao took it all away in less than an instant. I agree that Superman is more than a simple battery, although he says himself that he is a solar-powered battery in Final Crisis. But when he is depowered, he is pretty depowered.
You might believe it would be useful against Thanos, but since Thanos has some of the most advanced teleportation technology around, maybe others wouldn't agree. But I wholeheartedly agree that GL feats are not interchangeable.
Which legitimate skyfathers are you referring to?
Silver Surfer has by sheer feats better durability, speed, energy blasting power and even better showings against more powerful opponents...
Thought that was retconned into a Thanos clone...Also, how did Champion, who didn't lay a single hand on Thanos, do better than Surfer? How did Gamora, who was playfully sparring with Thanos, useful as a basis of comparison with Silver Surfer's fights?
You can infer a very simple thing: Superman would have died if not for timely intervention. "Didn't really phase supes?" That's really just wrong.
Stated by a reporter.Surfer has fought pretty well off his board: Ravenous, God-Cable, etc. Silver Surfer fought a Herald inside of a black hole, Superman struggles inside black holes. Silver Surfer opened a black hole inside Gabriel's chest if you bother to read Annihilation: Silver Surfer. Superman never duplicated a completely alien form of energy with T-Vo.
Superman also escaped a blackhole, and I still don't see why T-VO wouldn't work on SS. My point was that other opponents have faired better agaisnt Thanos then SS has, opponents who are IMO lesser foes. I read the arc with the sun eater explosion, it's not something really difficult to grasp but I'm open to other interpretations of it. Having hits HV stated by a reported is just to give a indication of how powerful it is, like when Thanos stated SS's beams could cause a black hole as a residule effect.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Great Galen: your last post is more of you saying the same wrong thing, that Silver Surfer only has navigational/travelling speed and could not fight against, much less react to, Superman's combat superspeed. That is just wrong. But I won't repeat the same arguments that Darthgoober and Raoul and god knows who else has been throwing throughout these threads.
Samsung Plasma = win. I only have a 42", but I love it.
Why would he though, its a mutable point because the retional behind it is a bit convuluted. Supes has the application and movement to fight like a speedster while SS does not....I'm going by feats and not what"SS should be able to do".
Originally posted by Raoul
anyways. i think superman would win. norrin is going to take a few off of him, imo, but i think without weakness exploitation, superman has enough in the tank to take a majority...
Well you know, my main point is that in a brawl like stipulation...it really heavily favors Supes. I just don't see the merit into a lot of the speculative nature of SS's power.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Superman also escaped a blackhole, and I still don't see why T-VO wouldn't work on SS. My point was that other opponents have faired better agaisnt Thanos then SS has, opponents who are IMO lesser foes. I read the arc with the sun eater explosion, it's not something really difficult to grasp but I'm open to other interpretations of it. Having hits HV stated by a reported is just to give a indication of how powerful it is, like when Thanos stated SS's beams could cause a black hole as a residule effect.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Why would he though, its a mutable point because the retional behind it is a bit convuluted. Supes has the application and movement to fight like a speedster while SS does not....I'm going by feats and not what"SS should be able to do".
Originally posted by The Great Galendur
Well you know, my main point is that in a brawl like stipulation...it really heavily favors Supes. I just don't see the merit into a lot of the speculative nature of SS's power.