Sun-dipped Superman vs Amped Silver Surfer: Pure Brawl

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Superman also escaped a blackhole, and I still don't see why T-VO wouldn't work on SS. My point was that other opponents have faired better agaisnt Thanos then SS has, opponents who are IMO lesser foes. I read the arc with the sun eater explosion, it's not something really difficult to grasp but I'm open to other interpretations of it. Having hits HV stated by a reported is just to give a indication of how powerful it is, like when Thanos stated SS's beams could cause a black hole as a residule effect.

I need to reread Unilord saga. Out of curiousity, how many people here have actually read the Unilord story?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Why would he though, its a mutable point because the retional behind it is a bit convuluted. Supes has the application and movement to fight like a speedster while SS does not....I'm going by feats and not what"SS should be able to do".

Originally posted by The Great Galen
What?

>>>Superman can escape a black hole. But unamped Surfer fighting Red Shift inside a black hole, pre-Annihilation upgrade, while diverting his energy to heal Alicia Masters, keep her armor functioning and guide his board through hyperspace, is a better durability feat than unamped Superman ever had. Which is why I think Surfer's durability > Superman's. I can't recall anybody faring well against Thanos who is weaker than Silver Surfer. Name me some. The Sun-Eater explosion is overrated here on the forums. I think Thanos' observations are more reliable than a reporter's. But I'll agree with your interpretation that Superman's heat vision can exceed that of a star's. Doesn't quite matter against Surfer though.<<<

No offense but SS durability goes out the window the second Thanos lays a punch into him, durability is a bit overrated there....sun eater>blachole.

>>>I need to reread Unilord saga. Out of curiousity, how many people here have actually read the Unilord story?
Silver Surfer actually has a better on-panel feat of combat superspeed than Superman does. In fact, a lot of characters do. Silver Surfer has also faced speedsters before. But I know that neither matters to you.<<<

Which characters really have this suppsoed"better combatspeed"cause I would really like to know which speedsters though....SS having better combat speed LMAO.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
No offense but SS durability goes out the window the second Thanos lays a punch into him, durability is a bit overrated there....sun eater>blachole.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Which characters really have this suppsoed"better combatspeed"cause I would really like to know which speedsters though....SS having better combat speed LMAO.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Because if he unleashes it just by opening his suit he gets spread across the universe(exactly what happens in the comic

If what you stated is true, this would be a good indicatiion that his never done anywhere close to destroying and remaking a universe using his own energies for fear of ceasing to exist.. Top it off w/ no on panel evidence of said so energies, it does not bode will to your argument..

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
I do have something to back it up LIKE THE MOTHER FKING PAGE WHERE HE DETONATES HIS ENERGIES AND ITS CALLED INFINITY AND THE ENGINE OF CREATION FIRES TWICE,use your head there is no other way to interpret that scan he unleashed his energies nothing more

He did not detonate his energies at will, it interacted w/ the energies of the bigbang, a transferance of energy happened (Imperiex, b-13/Warwold and the bigbang) like what Supes had plan'ed..

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
b-13 and warworld were powered solely by imperiex it was all his doing.

Like i said ive read owaw a few times, i dont have all the crossover issue so maybe their might be somethin i/ve missed but ive never come across Imperiex termed having a bigbang or entropy energies within him.. less you could show or refer a scan, i'd concede..

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Excluding Flash-like characters... Gladiator, Hyperion, Mr Majestic, Wonder Woman. Silver Surfer has a nano-second combat speed feat, Superman does not. Better combat speed-feat, not necessarily better combat speed overall. Reread my original post.

......No they do not. Supes has been stated being the second fastest moving being next to Wally...I have no clue where you are drawing ur conclusions because Supes clearly has the fastest movment of anyone u just mentioned. Movement is the basis of all motion and motion turns into action, supes can fight/travel/build/react at the pace he does because of the speed he is able to move his body at. There has not been a single indication where any of the characters you mentioned have displayed faster movement during combat....and Goober has pretty brought up every situation off the top of his head so don't even try.

YOU interpret wrongly.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Konvikt layed out Superman briefly with a punch. Thanos laid out Silver Surfer briefly with several punches. Seemingly embarassing on both accounts, but because there are comparable scenarios for both characters, I don't see how you can hold Superman over Silver Surfer. But considering that black holes are clearly destructive and comparing Superman and Silver Surfer's experience with them directly, I don't see how you can defend Superman's durability. Furthermore, Superman got hit by a light-speed electromagnetic shockwave and was carried away by it like a leaf is carried away by a tsunami tidal wave. AND he got saved by his Pa or he would have died.

So then Supes enduring a sun eater explosion,gog,E2 Supes,DS and a host of other ubber beings doesn't count for anything. You wanna say SS can handle a blackhole better then supes...sure that's acceptable since Thanos actually has the worst endurance on that front, but keep in mind supes physicall intercepted Thor's hammer in mind swing. Something that SS has never accomplished in all there encounters...and runner didn't seem to have a problem taking him out either.

Originally posted by skygunner41
YOU interpret wrongly.

Right, I hear SS travels light years and can dodge metoers so THAT must me has incredible combat ability....guess Thanos,Panther and Thor are all "flash level"speedsters.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
......No they do not. Supes has been stated being the second fastest moving being next to Wally...I have no clue where you are drawing ur conclusions because Supes clearly has the fastest movment of anyone u just mentioned. Movement is the basis of all motion and motion turns into action, supes can fight/travel/build/react at the pace he does because of the speed he is able to move his body at. There has not been a single indication where any of the characters you mentioned have displayed faster movement during combat....and Goober has pretty brought up every situation off the top of his head so don't even try.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
So then Supes enduring a sun eater explosion,gog,E2 Supes,DS and a host of other ubber beings doesn't count for anything. You wanna say SS can handle a blackhole better then supes...sure that's acceptable since Thanos actually has the worst endurance on that front, but keep in mind supes physicall intercepted Thor's hammer in mind swing. Something that SS has never accomplished in all there encounters...and runner didn't seem to have a problem taking him out either.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Each of the characters I said, with the sole exception of Wonder Woman, has verified, undeniable nanosecond combat speed feats. Superman has no on-panel nanosecond speed feats to his credit despite the number of superspeed combat speed feats he does have. I don't care what statement says Superman is fastest next to Wally, especially when JLA writers have on-panel already put Wonderwoman over Superman in combat speed AND the characters I listed aren't in the proper DC universe. Trust me, nobody can argue with the on-panel speed feats of the characters I mentioned. Not even you.
Supes would have died in the Sun-Eater explosion were he not saved. How is that at all, a good durability feat? Especially since he didn't even take the worst part of the Sun-Eater super-nova? It counts for what it counts for under context. Silver Surfer has endured Tenebrous & Aegis, Unilord, black holes, etc. JLA/Avengers is not canon per forum rules. Runner would have no problem taking out Superman. And apparently, you haven't read the Unilord story. Apparently, few have.

1. LMAO, they don't have combat speed or movement speed comparable to supes I'm srry to break it to you. You wanna invalidate what was said about supes movement because it's appearantly a contradiction....dude comics are a walking contradiction. I saw the fights you mentioned, and aside from narrative hyperbole there isn't anything to hold ur claim....but hey if u wanna play that game supes did throw a punch with infinite enery behind it and can move the planet at base stats. Stop trying to reach so much there...

2. It is canon actually so I don't where u r getting that, and he got literally ass raped by T&A during there encounter and got oneshotted by Odin. At least agaisnt Runner, Supes would be able to keep pace and not get completly overwhealmed....and nice take on the sun eater by the way, forgot the little bit that Supes being complelty drained during that whole process.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
1. LMAO, they don't have combat speed or movement speed comparable to supes I'm srry to break it to you. You wanna invalidate what was said about supes movement because it's appearantly a contradiction....dude comics are a walking contradiction. I saw the fights you mentioned, and aside from narrative hyperbole there isn't anything to hold ur claim....but hey if u wanna play that game supes did throw a punch with infinite enery behind it and can move the planet at base stats. Stop trying to reach so much there...

2. It is canon actually so I don't where u r getting that, and he got literally ass raped by T&A during there encounter and got oneshotted by Odin. At least agaisnt Runner, Supes would be able to keep pace and not get completly overwhealmed....and nice take on the sun eater by the way.

2. It is not canon. It is a crossover. Per forum rules, it is not canon. For you to lower yourself to relying on a crossover says volumes about your position. Speaking about positions, how many have you abandoned durign the course of our conversations? Superman got ass-raped by the Sun-Eater nova also, nuff said. Superman got one-shotted by Konvikt, far below Odin, nuff said. Superman cannot keep pace with Runner, like he cannot keep pace with Flash. Your idea of Silver Surfer gettign overwhelmed by Superman the same way he was overwhelmed by Runner is ridiculous.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1. Gladiator and Hyperion were fighting and throwing punches and blocking punches at nanosecond speeds. Mr Majestic fuggin built a machine in nanoseconds. Superman has no verifiable nanosecond combat speed feats like this. At all. Don't even try it.

2. It is not canon. It is a crossover. Per forum rules, it is not canon. Superman got ass-raped by the Sun-Eater nova also, nuff said. Superman got one-shotted by Konvikt, far below Odin, nuff said. Superman cannot keep pace with Runner, like he cannot keep pace with Flash. Your idea of Silver Surfer gettign overwhelmed by Superman the same way he was overwhelmed by Runner is ridiculous.

1. No ur right, he just has actual panels depciting him moving at those speeds while all we have is narrative hyperbole for the benefit of Gladiator and everyone else u mentioned.....but hey supes can punch with infinity energy if we go by ur logic lol.

2. LMAO, Supes has applied speed in a manner simpiar to Runner...SS hasn't. Aside from ur very skewed take on the sun eater feat, and the fact that Konvict has been billed as a team wrecker what else do u have to go on. SS can mvoe as fast as supes, and whenever his opponents have narrowed the gap and engaged him in close quarters he has shown to be like a fish out of water. Agaisnt panther he did nothing, agaisnt Thanos he can't even lay a sracth on him, agaisnt Thor....even with Loki level amp he couldn't do what supes managed to do on a single occasion. Supes blitz SS and dominates him physically....unless u wanna claim SS has better h2h lol.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Right, I hear SS travels light years and can dodge metoers so THAT must me has incredible combat ability....guess Thanos,Panther and Thor are all "flash level"speedsters.

that not directed at you.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
1. No ur right, he just has actual panels depciting him moving at those speeds while all we have is narrative hyperbole for the benefit of Gladiator and everyone else u mentioned.....but hey supes can punch with infinity energy if we go by ur logic lol.

2. LMAO, Supes has applied speed in a manner simpiar to Runner...SS hasn't. Aside from ur very skewed take on the sun eater feat, and the fact that Konvict has been billed as a team wrecker what else do u have to go on. SS can mvoe as fast as supes, and whenever his opponents have narrowed the gap and engaged him in close quarters he has shown to be like a fish out of water. Agaisnt panther he did nothing, agaisnt Thanos he can't even lay a sracth on him, agaisnt Thor....even with Loki level amp he couldn't do what supes managed to do on a single occasion. Supes blitz SS and dominates him physically....unless u wanna claim SS has better h2h lol.

2. Silver Surfer has, and if you bring up the top five verifiable sombat speed feats, without relying on "zomg he is blurred and has speedlines he must be teh superfastest," then let's talk. Silver Surfer and Thor and Savage Hulk are team-wreckers. Bringing up BPvSS puts you in violation of the SPvFL rule... again. Silver Surfer is better in durability and pure destructiveness with his energy blasts. He can react to superspeed opponents. And you still never even read the Unilord story. Ridiculous that you even consider yourself as well-read to talk about this particular fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1. Travel speed feat. Show me where he is doing something combat-related in nanoseconds. You want to deride other people's superspeed feats, that's your game. Just know that you look absolutely foolish to everyone else. On-panel, 3rd person narrative, nanosecond punches and parries by Gladiator and Hyperion. Superman has nothing close.

2. Silver Surfer has, and if you bring up the top five verifiable sombat speed feats, without relying on "zomg he is blurred and has speedlines he must be teh superfastest," then let's talk. Silver Surfer and Thor and Savage Hulk are team-wreckers. Bringing up BPvSS puts you in violation of the SPvFL rule... again. Silver Surfer is better in durability and pure destructiveness with his energy blasts. He can react to superspeed opponents. And you still never even read the Unilord story. Ridiculous that you even consider yourself as well-read to talk about this particular fight.

1. lol, again supes only has his speed depicted...ur really stracthing with that narrative bit but hey hold on to it like a blanket if u want. Aside from being the second fastest moving person to wally, he shown to apply this speed directly into combat just as he has into travel,construction and various other actitivities. Supes has only been shown moving fast enough to fight accross 4 different regions of the earth in the time it takes to finish a sentence, and while sun amp'ed he made it to the source wall in 3 panels. All he needs to do is apply that speed offensivly like he has in the past and SS is game over.

2.Quantifiable as in highly suggestable since narrative descriptions can sometimes be vague and a situation of poetic hyperbole. We have the "visual"reference" of supes speed....with SS and everyone else u mentioned all we don't have a shred of on-panel evidence to support the text. Funny SS output is appearantly so destructive yet he can even harm Thanos and didn't even sracth Tyrant while ganymade and Glads did. SS has never reacted to superspeed opponents, Supes will do what runner did to SS easily.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Silver Surfer is better in durability and pure destructiveness with his energy blasts.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
1. lol, again supes only has his speed depicted...ur really stracthing with that narrative bit but hey hold on to it like a blanket if u want. Aside from being the second fastest moving person to wally, he shown to apply this speed directly into combat just as he has into travel,construction and various other actitivities. Supes has only been shown moving fast enough to fight accross 4 different regions of the earth in the time it takes to finish a sentence, and while sun amp'ed he made it to the source wall in 3 panels. All he needs to do is apply that speed offensivly like he has in the past and SS is game over.

2.Quantifiable as in highly suggestable since narrative descriptions can sometimes be vague and a situation of poetic hyperbole. We have the "visual"reference" of supes speed....with SS and everyone else u mentioned all we don't have a shred of on-panel evidence to support the text. Funny SS output is appearantly so destructive yet he can even harm Thanos and didn't even sracth Tyrant while gamora and Glads did. SS has never reacted to superspeed opponents, Supes will do what runner did to SS easily.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/4214/gladiatorvshyperion049nv.jpg

You never proved Superman was fastest next to Wally. In fact, that is just a plain wrong statement. Considering that JLA writers have on-panel already unequivocably decided that Wonderwoman has better combat speed that Superman, it's become obvious that you ignore anything that undermines Superman. Silver Surfer has searched the entirety of Earth in a single sentence. Silver Surfer has also raced across Earth destroying cities and armies across a few panels. Silver Surfer only has to apply his energy output offensively like he has in the past and Supes is game over.

2. The above scan is not debateable. When people describe their own speed, that can be debateable, like Silver Surfer and Darkseid describing their own predicaments here. So are both statements by the characters reliable or not? Answer yes or no. You already seem to make up your mind about narrative descriptions, are you now saying that Darkseid's best on-panel combat superspeed feat is mere poetic hyperbole? SAY YES OR NO, DON'T DODGE THE QUESTION:

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=marvelcomicspresents001ph0.jpg

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_162.jpg

Visual reference of superspeed, as in speedlines? Spiderman has more speed lines than Superman ever will. Speedlines mean nothing unless you can measure it against something like an electromagnetic signal moving at the speed of light or unless the actual narration of the writer of the comic says so. Visual blurs of characters indicating extreme agility/superspeed? Same again, Spiderman has more visual blurs of characters than anyone. Silver Surfer has reacted to superfast opponents, you ignoring them with your blatant trolling doesn't change that.

Originally posted by Starscream M
how is Surfer more durable than Superman...in this case a sundipped one?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Normal Silver Surfer is not more durable than sundipped Superman. Normal Silver Surfer is more durable than normal Superman. Unilord Silver Surfer is probably more durable than sundipped Superman. Considering that you're comparing the scale of an alternate universe vs that of a fraction of our Sun. Yeah, I think it's safe to say that Unilord Surfer is more durable than sun-dipped Superman.