Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well if he suggested it be kept canon, why did you again suggest that spidey can counter with force push? Hmm?Come on, give us a straight answer. No more of the "intellectually challenged" bullshit. I know you wont, I know you will respond back with some crap to try and save face, but hey, I gotta benefit of the doubt.
Straight question, no bullshit...."How does your post make me look like an idiot?" Yeah, thats a direct challenge. You gonna rise and accept it, or you gonna continue your "You're a poopy head idiot" rant?
I will repost this all day so everyone can see that you're a moron. Keep it up.
Originally posted by Placidity
As for the topic , Spidey can counter with force push.Or as for the current debate , Spiderman could try to web him up.
Originally posted by a Moron
And? Spidey cannot wield the force, yet you just stated he can counter with force push.
The first response was for MY TOPIC. So go to page 1 and read my original post.
I know you're stupid, but I'd assume you understand what the above means, you've just got too much ego to admitt you've been made to look like the smartass who failed.
Before you make another moronic post or try to change the topic to "spanking" and other irrelevant rubbish, explain what you think the below means. I know its hard for you, but do try.
Originally posted by Placidity
As for the topic , Spidey can counter with force push.Or as for the current debate , Spiderman could try to web him up.
Originally posted by Placiditycrylaugh DAMN you are a b*tchboy crylaugh
I will repost this all day so everyone can see that you're a moron. Keep it up.I know you're stupid, but I'd assume you understand what the above means, you've just got too much ego to admitt you've been made to look like the smartass who failed.
Before you make another moronic post or try to change the topic to "spanking" and other irrelevant rubbish, explain what you think the below means. I know its hard for you, but do try. [/B]
Originally posted by Robtard
Just curious, would this apply to anyone using brute force in countering a Force-hold?If so, where is it stated that 'only the Force can counter the Force'?
Is it stated anywhere that anything besides the force can counter the force?
No.
Also, we can SEE the force countering the force in the movie, we CAN'T see someone countering the force with physical strength.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Is it stated anywhere that anything besides the force can counter the force?No.
Also, we can SEE the force countering the force in the movie, we CAN'T see someone countering the force with physical strength.
So no one, no matter how strong could break out of a Force-hold, is this what you're saying/think?
Do we ever see anyone in a Force-hold and they're fighting against it but failing, in the films?
We do have proof that larger and/or heavier objects are more difficult and strenuous to move though, the Yoda/Palpatine fight is a perfect example of this. Palpatine was able to easily rip off smaller objects from the wall and throw them, albeit they moved somewhat slow. But Yoda despite being one of the most powerful Force users showed much more difficulty than Palatine when manipulation that large pillar.
This shows that weight/size affects overall Force ability, at least in some degree. Which of course leads to something other than the Force affecting the Force, otherwise a penny could be moved as easily as a mountain.
Weight and brute strength have some differences, however.
A heavy object does not rely on leverage to be heavy. Gravity does all the work. Thus, if a heavy object is in the air it's still... heavy.
Brute strength requires some form of leverage, so if the force is used on someone who is lifted off the ground it doesn't matter how strong they are.
Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Weight and brute strength have some differences, however.A heavy object does not rely on leverage to be heavy. Gravity does all the work. Thus, if a heavy object is in the air it's still... heavy.
Brute strength requires some form of leverage, so if the force is used on someone who is lifted off the ground it doesn't matter how strong they are.
There's a difference between a Force-hold, where a person is immobilized and being merely lifted by the Force, no?
Still to the point, somethings other than the Force affect the Force, which is my point.
edit: thinking about it, gravity pushing an object down is similar to pressure pushing or resisting from a different angle, say outwards, upwards, sidways or what have you in regards to breaking a Force-hold which seems to be some covering and restraining force.
So being lifted and not having a means of propulsion would essentially negate any strength properties, that I see. Not a Force-hold though.
Oh... Well I Dunno about a force hold.
I've never really seen the point in doing that, to be honest. Vader's "choke+levitate" combo works good enough.
As far as movies only go, I think most Sith would beat a lot of people that most Jedi can't.
I mean... even Spiderman vs. Sideous. If Sideous were to lift him into the air, then just fry him... it'd be over. Jedi can't do that stuff though.
... that's also the reason you never see non-force sensitives giving Sith a hard time, ala Jango vs. Obi-Wan and such. Sith just don't play that shit.
Originally posted by Robtard
So no one, no matter how strong could break out of a Force-hold, is this what you're saying/think?Do we ever see anyone in a Force-hold and they're fighting against it but failing, in the films?
We do have proof that larger and/or heavier objects are more difficult and strenuous to move though, the Yoda/Palpatine fight is a perfect example of this. Palpatine was able to easily rip off smaller objects from the wall and throw them, albeit they moved somewhat slow. But Yoda despite being one of the most powerful Force users showed much more difficulty than Palatine when manipulation that large pillar.
This shows that weight/size affects overall Force ability, at least in some degree. Which of course leads to something other than the Force affecting the Force, otherwise a penny could be moved as easily as a mountain.
What I am saying is that in the films, we can SEE someone countering the force with the force.
What I am saying is that in the films, we CANNOT see someone countering the force with brute strength.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What I am saying is that in the films, we can SEE someone countering the force with the force.What I am saying is that in the films, we CANNOT see someone countering the force with brute strength.
We also don't many other things, like Obi taking a dump, is it safe to assume that Obi doesn't need to defecate because of the Force?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It isnt shown in the movies, therefore it has no place here. You are comparing a human bodily function to the force, just so you know.
Actually, I was making the absurb implication that the Force does away with the need to shit, simply because shitting in regards to the Force "isn't seen."
Dude, it can be seen in the movies, I even gave you an example above with the yoda/palpatine fight and spelled it out for you. If nothing affected the Force besides the Force, as you claim, then something heavy would be moved with the same ease as something light. Correct?
Originally posted by Placidity
I will repost this all day so everyone can see that you're a moron. Keep it up.I know you're stupid, but I'd assume you understand what the above means, you've just got too much ego to admitt you've been made to look like the smartass who failed.
Before you make another moronic post or try to change the topic to "spanking" and other irrelevant rubbish, explain what you think the below means. I know its hard for you, but do try. [/B]
Last time I'm gonna tell you Placidity: Shut. your. mouth. Call anyone else names and it's a warning. I just dont get why you feel the need to be such an ass to people by needlessly calling them names, or anyone else, for that matter.
Rogue Jedi, two wrongs don't make a right. Don't respond to a bash with a bash.
Anymore bashing, and I'll issue warnings.
Originally posted by Impediment
Last time I'm gonna tell you Placidity: Shut. your. mouth. Call anyone else names and it's a warning. I just dont get why you feel the need to be such an ass to people by needlessly calling them names, or anyone else, for that matter.Rogue Jedi, two wrongs don't make a right. Don't respond to a bash with a bash.
Anymore bashing, and I'll issue warnings.
Are you freaking serious? Are you out of your mind? RJ is the one started being a smartass (as he always does). Cmon, for crying out loud.
Also, please stop this with always telling RJ two wrongs don't make a right crap. If you even read anything, you'll know RJ is just begging for it. He knows he's wrong, but yet he'll continue to make smartass comments, say sarcastic shit and post fcking smilies just to stir you up. RJ, in essence is just looking for trouble. And he's the only one that started swearing at me. It's just his whole style (jerk), and that is why he is not well recieved by most people in this section of the forum.
Imped, please, at least pretend you are objective in your moderation.
As for "why I have to be an ass to people?" I challenge you to find ONE other person other than RJ that will say I've been an "ass" to them. Go on, don't just make BS claims, back it up big man.
I'm not trying to pick at your mod abilities here at all, Impediment, but I wanted to point something out.
Before I go on, I want to make it clear that I am a hypocrite, alright let's move on.
Clearly Placidity and Sadako, along with Robtard and I to a lesser extent are debating with RJ in this thread. Yes, Placidity and Sadako might have crossed the line when posts turn insulting with various results, all hilarious imo, but at what point does Placidity break the rules, but RJ doesn't? I mean by this:
Originally posted by Placidity
I will repost this all day so everyone can see that you're a moron. Keep it up.I know you're stupid, but I'd assume you understand what the above means, you've just got too much ego to admitt you've been made to look like the smartass who failed.
Before you make another moronic post or try to change the topic to "spanking" and other irrelevant rubbish, explain what you think the below means. I know its hard for you, but do try.
The rules have been broken, but look here:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
crylaugh DAMN you are a b*tchboy crylaugh
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
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Bring it on, baby.
Also rule breaking. Regardless if it is in self-defense, the option of not replying, placing people on ignore, or asking to desist was not utilized. All of which deserve all but a slap on the wrist.
One would think that the insinuating posts done by RJ would garner a warning, one warning per self-defense claim and a small temp-ban should have been around by now, but we've seen none of that. I've crossed paths with Placidity a few times, and have not seen such acts of him being an ass to others, only RJ, but things happen like this all the time.
Sigh, regardless of how many times one insults someone, or however many times the report button is pressed, the victim card can only take you so far, as we've seen.