Spider-man and The Jedi Order

Started by Sadako of Girth39 pages

Line it up perfect and landed it...?

It was a crash landing. A full on crash landing.
You make it sound like it was as relatively graceful as how the Millenium Falcon lands.

So all that "Best star pilot in the galaxy" stuff didnt have anything to do with it..?

And besides, not even the EU classified novel would dare to have implied that Anakin force landed it.

"We're coming in too hot.."

The me though, ultimate proof that he wasnt doing it, was that he wasnt doing the 'force concentrating meditation' that things a thousandth of that ship's size take to gain control of.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If spidey is so strong, why didnt he just kill Gobby with one punch?

Because the Goblin is on par to Spider-man in regards to powers and Spider-man is also not a murderer; he abides by 'Uncle Ben's Law', "with great power comes great responsibility."

Why are you still questioning Spider-man's strength? It is clearly shown in the movies, the holding of the cable-trolly, the supporting of the wall, stopping a mother****ing train.

Exactly, man.

I pity the fool who questions Spidey strength/speed next to even a human Jedi's physiology.

"'Cause once you go full retard, you dont never come back.."

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Line it up perfect and landed it...?

It was a crash landing. A full on crash landing.
You make it sound like it was as relatively graceful as how the Millenium Falcon lands.

So all that "Best star pilot in the galaxy" stuff didnt have anything to do with it..?

And besides, not even the EU classified novel would dare to have implied that Anakin force landed it.

"We're coming in too hot.."

The me though, ultimate proof that he wasnt doing it, was that he wasnt doing the 'force concentrating meditation' that things a thousandth of that ship's size take to gain control of.

There's a whole lot of speculation here. It's been going on for pages. We go with what is seen in the movies, yes? It has to be either seen or stated, right?

Also RJ, if Jedis can force choke any breathing biological creature (regardless of how big & strong it is), then why didn't Luke force choke the Rankor in RoTJ or why didn't Obi-Wan or b*tch-boy force choke (or push/hold) the mantis or the spider-tiger in AoTC? Their force powers were rendered useless...

Originally posted by Blinky
Also RJ, if Jedis can force choke any breathing biological creature (regardless of how big & strong it is), then why didn't Luke force choke the Rankor in RoTJ or why didn't Obi-Wan or b*tch-boy force choke (or push/hold) the mantis or the spider-tiger in AoTC? Their force powers were rendered useless...
Force chokes not their style.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Force chokes not their style.

1) Luke loves to force choke/wank (Remember how he gave the pig-man a forcejob).

2)I like the way you ignore the fact that Anakin/Obi-wan didn't force push or pull while their lives were a stake. Maybe they just didn't want to show off, yes?

To be fair, at this time Palpatine was not necessarily confident in Anakin and had plans for Dooku to take over. It is reasonable that Palpatine "empowered" Dooku so his will would confuse the Jedi. They were confused enough not to do common sense things like push/pull, etc, but their will was enough to overcome the monsters.

Hahahaha, oh yeah that is very "reasonable" to believe, indeed.

Anybody else want to answer my question... RJ?

Edit : Don't forget to tell me why Luke didn't choke Mr. Rankor.

Was hesitent to kill. Luke was trying his best to calm down the rankor.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
There's a whole lot of speculation here. It's been going on for pages. We go with what is seen in the movies, yes? It has to be either seen or stated, right?

Where is the speculation..? Its all backupable.

Yup. As I say. He wasn't seen doing the force meditation thing.

By smashing in the Rancor's finger with a rock, then smashing the door grille through it's head, Dr.Will...?

That wouldnt calm me down...
In fact, that'd plain shit in my rice krispies. 😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
By smashing in the Rancor's finger with a rock, then smashing the door grille through it's head, Dr.Will...?

That wouldnt calm me down...
In fact, that'd plain shit in my rice krispies. 😛

Sorry, I haven't watched ROTJ in a few years, I'll be back in just a sec...

PIS. Luke should have been able to throttle him.

Originally posted by Blinky
Hahahaha, oh yeah that is very "reasonable" to believe, indeed.

Anybody else want to answer my question... RJ?

Edit : Don't forget to tell me why Luke didn't choke Mr. Rankor.

The reason Luke force choked the Gamorreans is because it was the quickest way to get past them, also it enabled him to avoid a violent confrontation with them. Force choke is a Sith trait, he wasnt doing it to kill, he was doing it to AVOID killing them.

As far as the Rancor goes, Luke knew he had to kill it, and opted not to use Sith powers to kill. Or maybe he just freaked, after all, he wasnt even a fully trained Jedi knight. If it had been Dooku or Sidious, they'd have just used force lightning til it was a crispy critter.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Where is the speculation..? Its all backupable.

Yup. As I say. He wasn't seen doing the force meditation thing.

No, I mean in general. No one has been seen resisting a force hold/choke in the SW movies. Saying that "maybe" spidey can resist a force hold/choke is like me bringing EU into it, even worse. Wild assumptions are being made on "Spidey is so damn strong!!"

OK, fine. Lets make assumptions, shall we? I'll say the mind of a Jedi is that much stronger than Spideys, so who's to say they cant turn his brains into mush with merely a thought? Who's to say that Jedi aren't on par with spidey in terms of physical strength? Hmm? I am gonna ASSUME that levels of physical strength are on a different scale in the SW universe than they are in spideys. I am ASSUMING this.

See how crazy that sounds?

If we SEE it in the movies, it is a valid argument. You guys are just guessing and speculating with nothing concrete to back it up.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Countering question:
If the force usage was as limitless as your depict, why didnt the Jedi extend a hand and crush Grevious...?

Glad you ask that.

Remember Grievous's cough in RoTS? Do you want to know where he got it from?

He got it from... *drum roll please.....*'

Mace Windu. Mace Windu used force crush on Grievous as he was making an escape.

Despite people wanting to cling to the Movies as being the only cannon, sometimes you really do have to include some "EU" stuff as cannon. However, in this VS. forum, only the movies can be used. I just thought that your point was rather good and wanted to point out that it WAS done.

Also, force crush is a hard power to use. Not very many can do it. Mace was that awesome.

Also, Mace beat down the emperor. Despite some star wars and non star wars fans yelling, "HE DIDN"T USE SHATTERPOINT! That is only EU bullshit!", we have clear evidence of shatterpoint being used. Turning the force lightening against Sidious IS using the shatterpoint technique. Remember when he force it back on Sidious and burned his face? Yeah, that was shatterpoint. ZOMG! GL included EU shit into his movie! EGADS!

Now, it was explained that Mace didn't sense Anakin's intentions because he was too focused on the emperor. His almost arrogant ignorance was his downfall. Some claim that Sidious had foreseen his defeat at that hands of Mace and also foresaw Anakin's presence in that situation and anticipated for it, accordingly. That seems very logical and fits very well with what George Lucas has called the most powerful Sith to ever be.

As for Spiderman. He has loads upon loads of durability far and above any of the "crude matter" Jedi and Sith.

Also, someone brought up the force choke that Luke used in RoTJ. That is part of Luke preparing the way for a balance between light and dark which was very well expanded on in the EU post OT timeline. I find it rather cool, to make these realizations. Force choke would never be acceptable to use by a Republic Jedi.

And someone mentioned something about the Rancor scene and why didn't Luke force choke the Rancor and be done with it.

I think the answer is quite obvious. 4+ minute scene with the absurdly scary Rancor, or a 15 second scene with a force choke? Hmm.....What would the audience like to see? Hmm....hmmm.....

And, yes, someone mentioned earlier that Luke wasn't a full Jedi Knight. That's true. I remember hearing GL talk in one of the interviews on the Saber Duels in TPM. He said that the duels were made much more intense and just plain awesome because, before, we had a lumbering Cyborg who was aging and a young untrained Jedi Novice dueling. It's his creation and that makes sense. Also, he did it for the money.

Now, why didn't the armor break on the Goblin in Spiderman? Just stupidty. I mean, come on, how realistic can you expect it to be. It's a super hero film based on a comic book. Does the force exist? Nope. Would spiderman punch a hole through Doc Ocs head? Yup. Is Spiderman much more flexible and acrobatic in the comics? Yup.

OK boys and girls, check it out...

Spidey is clinging to a metal beam or the wall, and the Jedi/Sith cannot budge him.

Well....

All the Jedi/Sith has to do is use force choke or lightning, OR force hold Spidey to the wall or the beam, so that Spidey cannot spring away, then close in for the saber kill.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK boys and girls, check it out...

Spidey is clinging to a metal beam or the wall, and the Jedi/Sith cannot budge him.

Well....

All the Jedi/Sith has to do is use force choke or lightning, OR force hold Spidey to the wall or the beam, so that Spidey cannot spring away, then close in for the saber kill.

While spidey's resisting the force pull while clinging to a beam, saber throw, if he jumps at all, the Jedi/Sith have him anywhere they want them...saber throw wins. The strength resisting the force is actually a bad thing, imo. He's better off moving around and doing what he does best.

✅ Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmhm

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I mean in general. No one has been seen resisting a force hold/choke in the SW movies. Saying that "maybe" spidey can resist a force hold/choke is like me bringing EU into it, even worse. Wild assumptions are being made on "Spidey is so damn strong!!"

OK, fine. Lets make assumptions, shall we? I'll say the mind of a Jedi is that much stronger than Spideys, so who's to say they cant turn his brains into mush with merely a thought? Who's to say that Jedi aren't on par with spidey in terms of physical strength? Hmm? I am gonna ASSUME that levels of physical strength are on a different scale in the SW universe than they are in spideys. I am ASSUMING this.

See how crazy that sounds?

If we SEE it in the movies, it is a valid argument. You guys are just guessing and speculating with nothing concrete to back it up.

Ok then we didnt see Anakin force land that ship.

Anything else you say in this post is all your own speculation/deflection/distraction..
(You completely went off on a tangent again on your second paragraph.)
My last post was nothing to do with speculation. It addressed fact and I have backed it up.

Your speculation at whether or not that anything is speculation is not relevant. Only the facts are.

Fact is: H2H Spidey destroys at least the human Jedi.
As his strength/durability on screen is depicited as WAY WAY WAY more impressive than the physical strength of evena Jedi Human.