Spider-man and The Jedi Order

Originally posted by dadudemon
My point is NOT to show that the EU SHOULD be used, it is to show how closely together they were tied in for Episode III. You wanted to know where force crush was used, so I indicated where it was used on Grevious and Grevious shows signs of that damage in Episode III. Since episode III is cannon, and GL and Tartakovsky made a collaborative effort to INCLUDE that in Chapter 25 and continue it in Episode III, what happened to Grevious would have to be semi-cannon, at the least. That was my only point. I do NOT want to continue to talk about something that was an aside that was only intended as an FYI.

Edit-
Now, for the sake of the debate, Force Crush is cannon. I said it is, and that is final. Imp can make a ruling on that if he'd like. However, only one person can use it and that is Mace. Since Mace would make hamburger meat of Spiderman anyway, there's no need to give him one of his signature powers. If others would like to use force crush as an example, I would say that it fails to be an example of any power except for Mace's.

Double edit- I hope you know that I wasn't serous about it being cannon. 😐 However, one cannot be without the other. If Imp wants to allow Mace his force crush, that's fine, but I still think it doesn't belong in here.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Not my question. I asked, when did a Jedi do so?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yoda, ROTJ, X wing. Inanimate object, but a force hold is a force hold.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That was a force lift. He didn't have to "hold" any parts. And yes, inanimate object on top of it. A horrible example and very dishonest.

Think about it, what is a force hold, really?

Also, force pull/push is used by Luke in ESB when retrieving his saber in the wampa cave. And by Obi Wan in the prequel trilogy, and by Anakin in the prequel trilogy.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well isnt this whole argument about animate and inaminate objects? The force works the same on both, mind you.

Think about it, what is a force hold, really?

So, where did a Jedi ever show he's able to do a force hold?

Originally posted by Bardock42
So, where did a Jedi ever show he's able to do a force hold?

Dooku holding Obi Wan in a force hold in ROTS versus Yoda using the force to levitate the X Wing from the swamp in ESB. Same thing. Animate Jedi, inaminate X Wing, but basically the same thing.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And I asked you "What is a force hold, really?"

Dooku holding Obi Wan in a force hold in ROTS versus Yoda using the force to levitate the X Wing from the swamp in ESB. Same thing. Animate Jedi, inaminate X Wing, but basically the same thing.

The ability to hold a person static.

Originally posted by Bardock42
The ability to hold a person static.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Person/object, same thing. The same effort is involved, sometimes more if it a larger object/person. Yoda performs a force hold on the X Wing, then moves it from the swamp. He is performing a force hold the entire time.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I reckon youre right on the first call.

Okay so anyone other than Palps...?

I'm sorry I missed this post. Yes. Dooku did it to Anankin in Ep II.

Originally posted by Bardock42
People and objects are not the same thing. Yoda lifts the X-Wing. If that X-Wing had moved there's no proof that Yoda could have stopped it. Sorry, but you are talking out of your ass, because you love Star Wars.

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Okay..lol. I know exactly what RJ is talking about. He's right. You know he's right. RJ just isn't doing a good job of making his point.

Dooku force held AND force choked Obi Wan in Ep. III. He is a Sith, though. So I'm not sure if you or someone else were making it a point to show that now Jedi would ever do that. If you were, then I would agree...accept for Anakin.

I'm sure it would take more energy and concentration to snatch up a force user who is doing that force run thing. If two Jedi were fighting over a large object with force hold/move thingie, I'm sure that it would be very difficult to move for either until the one with the stronger control over the force won.

Originally posted by Bardock42
People and objects are not the same thing. Yoda lifts the X-Wing. If that X-Wing had moved there's no proof that Yoda could have stopped it. Sorry, but you are talking out of your ass, because you love Star Wars.

OK lets say Sara weighs 100 pounds. You can surely lift her over your head, right? Well, lets say that there is an object in the corner that also weighs 100 pounds. Which will be easier to lift? Sara or the object?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK lets say Sara weighs 100 pounds. You can surely lift her over your head, right? Well, lets say that there is an object in the corner that also weighs 100 pounds. Which will be easier to lift? Sara or the object?

Depends on the density of the object and it's shape.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Depends on the density of the object and it's shape.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Okay..lol. I know exactly what RJ is talking about. He's right. You know he's right. RJ just isn't doing a good job of making his point.

Dooku force held AND force choked Obi Wan in Ep. III. He is a Sith, though. So I'm not sure if you or someone else were making it a point to show that now Jedi would ever do that. If you were, then I would agree...accept for Anakin.

I'm sure it would take more energy and concentration to snatch up a force user who is doing that force run thing. If two Jedi were fighting over a large object with force hold/move thingie, I'm sure that it would be very difficult to move for either until the one with the stronger control over the force won.

No, I truly think he isn't. I am convinced that a force hold is a dark side power, that Jedi don't or can't use. I am also pretty much sure that the force works different on animate beings and inanimate objects. It already works different amongst humans based on will...

I know I can't prove that. Except for the last thing. But RJ can not prove that there is anything like a force hold that Jedi can do, and he also can't prove that Spider - Man's strength and will would not be a counter to the force attacks he might be subjected to.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK lets say Sara weighs 100 pounds. You can surely lift her over your head, right? Well, lets say that there is an object in the corner that also weighs 100 pounds. Which will be easier to lift? Sara or the object?

It's not the same thing though. For a force hold, you have to make the person absolutely static (Spidey couldn't move his hand, couldn't eject his web), with an inanimate object you don't have that trouble. It stays together by itself and doesn't move (beyond what it does due to gravity).

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I truly think he isn't. I am convinced that a force hold is a dark side power, that Jedi don't or can't use. I am also pretty much sure that the force works different on animate beings and inanimate objects. It already works different amongst humans based on will...

I know I can't prove that. Except for the last thing. But RJ can not prove that there is anything like a force hold that Jedi can do, and he also can't prove that Spider - Man's strength and will would not be a counter to the force attacks he might be subjected to.

HOW did Yoda lift the X Wing from the swamp? He reached out and FORCE HELD it. Then he moved it. Easy cheesy. If Yoda can do that with an X Wing, force holding spidey will be as easy as passing gas.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's not the same thing though. For a force hold, you have to make the person absolutely static (Spidey couldn't move his hand, couldn't eject his web), with an inanimate object you don't have that trouble. It stays together by itself and doesn't move (beyond what it does due to gravity).

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Never mind, I just compared this universe to the SW universe......jeez. 😮

Fair dos.

Really, I love Jedi, much, much more than Spidey as well, but I think we need to put a bit of obectivity.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Fair dos.

Really, I love Jedi, much, much more than Spidey as well, but I think we need to put a bit of obectivity.