Originally posted by Rogue JediThe moral code must be stated by the thread starter in the opening post while conditions are being set. Since it was not stated, well, you get the picture.
And that's why in the Batman/Jango thread you brought up Batman's moral code when the thread maker hadn't said anything on the matter?
Edit: Your double-standards are funny.
[QUOTE=11564710]Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Spiderman is human. In the SW movies, force hold/choke/push etc works on all humans. In the SW movies, it is never implied that a human can resist these powers with brute strength. So, since we are never shown a human resisting these powers, Spiderman has no chance of escaping them. [/QUOTE
Half human 😛
Dudedamon. Vapaad or whateer is not mentioned in the movies, and Mace was taken out without him using his clone wars skills.
Of course CW was made to wrap itself round a little, but it was EU.
The Starwars: Bounty hunter game tied things together from TPM to AOTC, but do I let it decide my movie canon battles...? No.
Ever had a Tattoo done...?
Ever had someone put some paint on you....?
If the answer to these is "yes" then you'll notice that tattoos hurt when being applied, as the needle punches the ink below the skin. Like the slugs were hurting Anakin.
Things being painted on erm...............don't.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am being objective. I just think that someone implying that physical strength can overcome the force is just silly. It's not like I take a stance on SW characters winning all the time and never change my mind.
You claim objectivity, yet ignore the question of:
"How is a Jedi gonna do ANYTHING, when his head has already been punched clean off...?"
The Jedi would be destroyed h2h.
Remember also when Obiwan reached with both hands for his sabre and Jango was able to snare him and drag him off, fu*king up the attempted force grab totally, Spiderman is quick enough to pip 'em to the post and if Spidey gets the drop on the Jedi, somebody better be ready with the head-catching basket and the mop.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthMUTATED human. Still human.
[QUOTE=11564710]Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
[B]Spiderman is human. In the SW movies, force hold/choke/push etc works on all humans. In the SW movies, it is never implied that a human can resist these powers with brute strength. So, since we are never shown a human resisting these powers, Spiderman has no chance of escaping them. [/QUOTEHalf human 😛 [/B]
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthIndeed he is, but he has no force powers, and in no way can handle a Jedi/Sith.
So what was Jeff Goldblum's problem in the fly...?And werent the Xmen persecuted by humans for...not being all human..?
And what about the Hulk...? (Not banner, but the hulk)
And anyways.... mutated human or not, hes a baaaaad motherfu**er fighting speed/strength skills wise..
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthSpidey will never have the chance to "punch their head off." The Jedi would sense the attack far in advance and chop spidey into bits.
You claim objectivity, yet ignore the question of:"How is a Jedi gonna do ANYTHING, when his head has already been punched clean off...?"
The Jedi would be destroyed h2h.
Remember also when Obiwan reached with both hands for his sabre and Jango was able to snare him and drag him off, fu*king up the attempted force grab totally, Spiderman is quick enough to pip 'em to the post and if Spidey gets the drop on the Jedi, somebody better be ready with the head-catching basket and the mop.
Their precognition has been proven as failiable.
And it depends how strong with precog the Jedi in question is.
Not to mention that their precog is something most strong in deep meditation.
The jedi regularly get blind sided by stuff.
EX:
Anakin should have seen that marchinery arm coming, in the Geonosian droid factory, but instead ate robot arm and was cast down mwhhararararararaaaaaahhh. So Spidey has every bit of chance as that arm.
EX 2:
Luke was able to land a lightsabre blow on Vader in ESB.
You saying despite the pain it clearly caused, that Vader saw it and allowed it to happen..?
Spidey loses his foot right up there in that Jedi ass.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Spidey will never have the chance to "punch their head off." The Jedi would sense the attack far in advance and chop spidey into bits.
Never? Considering his far greater reaction time and speed, why wouldn't Spider-man be able to dodge their human-speed attacks and counter?
They may know what he's going to do, but how can they keep up indefinately with his speed?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Dudedamon. Vapaad or whateer is not mentioned in the movies, and Mace was taken out without him using his clone wars skills.
It may be mentioned in the comentary or other interviews because it is very much common knowledge that Mace used Vapaad to reflect force lightening back on to Sidious.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Of course CW was made to wrap itself round a little, but it was EU.
The Starwars: Bounty hunter game tied things together from TPM to AOTC, but do I let it decide my movie canon battles...? No.
This is much different. I've already said why. A collaborative effort was made with GL and staff on the CW cartoon. I own all 25 chapters and I watched the extras on it. I looked and I couldn't find where Genndy mentions being overly excited to work with GL on this. They also talk about little things that they were allowed/directed/informed to put in to tie in with III.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ever had a Tattoo done...?Ever had someone put some paint on you....?
If the answer to these is "yes" then you'll notice that tattoos hurt when being applied, as the needle punches the ink below the skin. Like the slugs were hurting Anakin.
Things being painted on erm...............don't.
We have no idea what that was other than markings. We do know that it wasn't a tattoo. We don't know why Genndy left it in there at the very end because he knew, along with many others in the staff, that it would not be present in Episode III. He may have left it to leave his mark on the Star Wars universe...making Star Wars his, in a way.
It doesn't really matter, though, because GL had nothing to do with that. He DID with the force crush on Grevious, though. GL was rather pleased with that little tidbit being stuck in there.
Now, more about Spiderman.
Spiderman is very very intelligent. Probably a super genius..but not quite Banner, von Doom, or Richards level.
In the movies, he displayed absurd intelligence while on his feet. Very very quick witted. He dodged those Goblin shurikens: that borders on the pre-cog skill wielded by Jedi's with Sabers. He is leagues more durable than any Jedi or Sith. However, if we go by his punches, he never kills anyone by punching them. Robtard said that this was the great responsibility/power ideology has something to do with that, however, I think it's just illogical writing because we have to have a damn story. Since we can't use anything beyond the movies, we can't give him the "punch any regular man's head off" power that he SHOULD have had in the movie. But he does have other strength feats that SHOULD give him that power. Damn, stupid writing. The could have easily written it to wear Spiderman didn't get any punches in on Oc and still had an absurdly good fight for the fans.
I'm still giving the Above average Jedi Knight the victory with a fight versus Spiderman.
Nope. Vaapad is totally EU. Theres nothing on the commentary.
Lucas couldnt have been THAT happy cause that incident hasnt happened in the CW series going on, yet Grevious still has the cough that that force crushing gave him in the cartoon.
If this series wraps round to the battle of Coruscant and that happens again, I'll kiss your ass and apologise, but til then.... EU.
And if you attempt to gimp Spidey's abilities by saying that just because he hasnt punched non-villians in the Spidey films, then there'll be no beating up on Spidey (doesnt happen in the SW movies, you see) and no appearing in New York for the Jedi Sith.
No one used a lightsabre on Spidey ever in the movies, so thats out too, I guess....
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthNot when facing one opponent they don't.
Their precognition has been proven as failiable.And it depends how strong with precog the Jedi in question is.
Not to mention that their precog is something most strong in deep meditation.
The jedi regularly get blind sided by stuff.
EX:Anakin was a mere padawan, we are talking full trained Jedi/Sith, arent we? Also, Anakin was facing attacks from all angles, and that machinery arm was not a combatant. If it had been a droid swinging at him, it'd be different.
Anakin should have seen that marchinery arm coming, in the Geonosian droid factory, but instead ate robot arm and was cast down mwhhararararararaaaaaahhh. So Spidey has every bit of chance as that arm.
EX 2:They were in a saber duel, man. Plus he IS Luke skywalker 🙄
Luke was able to land a lightsabre blow on Vader in ESB.
You saying despite the pain it clearly caused, that Vader saw it and allowed it to happen..?Spidey loses his foot right up there in that Jedi ass.
Also, If spidey is so damn fast, if he can go toe to toe with a Jedi, why did Gobby land so many blows?
Something that is being overlooked here is that Jedi/Sith are trained in the art of war from infancy, whereas spidey has zero training.
Originally posted by RobtardExplain. I never doubled back.
You really need to decide, you go from Spider-man being completely inept if fighting a Jedi/Sith, to him winning against certain Jedi/Sith and back.
Originally posted by RobtardHis "far greater reaction time"? Thats your opinion, man. I admit he is probably a faster h2h combatant, but dude, Jedi move FAR faster than an ordinary human. Spidey has never faced anyone that fast, nor has he faced anyone with the vast array of powers that a Jedi/Sith will have.
Never? Considering his far greater reaction time and speed, why wouldn't Spider-man be able to dodge their human-speed attacks and counter?They may know what he's going to do, but how can they keep up indefinately with his speed?
Think on it like this. Roy Jones Jr....Great boxer, right? Lets say he takes on an average to above average boxer, someone he would normally pwn in a boxing match. BUT, you take this average boxer, give him precog, a knife, a bat, and two pistols, and odds are he will pwn. It will be too much for Roy Jones to deal with.
Probably a bad analogy, but you get the drift.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not when facing one opponent they don't.Anakin was a mere padawan, we are talking full trained Jedi/Sith, arent we? Also, Anakin was facing attacks from all angles, and that machinery arm was not a combatant. If it had been a droid swinging at him, it'd be different.
They were in a saber duel, man. Plus he IS Luke skywalker 🙄
Also, If spidey is so damn fast, if he can go toe to toe with a Jedi, why did Gobby land so many blows?
Something that is being overlooked here is that Jedi/Sith are trained in the art of war from infancy, whereas spidey has zero training.
Yeah Luke was a half trained Jedi wannabe.
I repeat though...why was Vader's precog shit..?
Because gobby was on his serum.
Training can be overwhelmed/negated by instinct.
Unless their training involves fighting Spidermen, then they may be found being left with their lightsabers out in the breeze, so to speak.
And if their battle training is so good, then how could Mr. Jango "Telegraphs the slowest haymakers in the galaxy" Fett was able to be landing on and beating up Obiwan..?
Spidey is WAY faster and WAY more powerful than Jango.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthVader was more concerned with turning Luke, he wanted to beat him, humiliate him, to show him the power of the dark side. If Vader would have been like "**** this guy, I am gonna kill him", the battle never would have left the carbon freezing chamber.
Yeah Luke was a half trained Jedi wannabe.
I repeat though...why was Vader's precog shit..?
Because gobby was on his serum.And I guess you think Gobby could beat a Jedi? Do I smell a new thread? 😖hifty:
Training can be overwhelmed/negated by instinct.Their training, unfortunately, is never really delved into. But it's safe to say that they train for any and all possible scenarios. They are keepers of the peace. If you were a jedi in charge of training other Jedi, wouldnt you make sure they are ready for anything?
Unless their training involves fighting Spidermen, then they may be found being left with their lightsabers out in the breeze, so to speak.
And if their battle training is so good, then how could Mr. Jango "Telegraphs the slowest haymakers in the galaxy" Fett was able to be landing on and beating up Obiwan..?OK here, I am gonna squash this right here right now:
Obi Wan is rushing to APPREHEND Jango. Jango draws and opens fire, then, as Obi Wan displays lightning fast reflexes blocking his blasterfire, he nears Jango. Jango runs away like a *****. Obi Wan is facing TWO opponents, one of them a frigging heavily armed starship. Naturally, his concern is split between the two. He is blown off his feet by a missile, then by rapid fire laserfire (Spidey would have been ash by then, mind you)....At :48, the h2h battle starts. Obi Wan jumps into the air and ***** kicks Jango. At :55, he ***** kicks him again. At 1:01, Jango throws a haymaker which Obi Wan EASILY blocks. At 1:02, Jango head butts Obi Wan.
Then Jango wraps Obi Wan in his fibercord and is dragging him along. Obi Wan escapes. (OH MY....Spidey couldnt escape Gobby's cord, could he? He was wrapped around the waist, hands and legs free, while Obi Wan was completely immobilized, but STILL got free).
Spidey is WAY faster and WAY more powerful than Jango.Gee ya think?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. Vaapad is totally EU. Theres nothing on the commentary.
The actual naming of what Mace did may have only occurred in the EU, but no matter how much you try to ignore it, Vapaad was used to reflect force lightening back on Sidious. It was a book before a movie. The movie is a screenplay adaptation.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Lucas couldnt have been THAT happy cause that incident hasnt happened in the CW series going on, yet Grevious still has the cough that that force crushing gave him in the cartoon.
Wait wait wait..
Grevious has his cough in the CG Clone wars? That's just stupidity on the part of the writers if that's true. He should have a cough until RIGHT before Ep III. Don't worry, many story continuity problems like that occur in the Star Trek universe allll the time.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If this series wraps round to the battle of Coruscant and that happens again, I'll kiss your ass and apologise, but til then.... EU.
Wait wait wait.
What are you talking about? Grevious DOESN'T have a cough yet?
No apologies are needed. As far as I'm concerned, the CG series is Cannon. It is/was being done under the direction and writing of GL, so it is Cannon. The CW series was a collaborative 3rd party effort where artistic license was used. (The tattoos is evidence of that.)
If you can't tell, I haven't seen anything of the CG series yet. I am waiting for a DVD release before I watch it. I don't have cable. I stream everything off the net or watch it on DVD.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And if you attempt to gimp Spidey's abilities by saying that just because he hasnt punched non-villians in the Spidey films, then there'll be no beating up on Spidey (doesnt happen in the SW movies, you see) and no appearing in New York for the Jedi Sith.
I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. He did punch Flash. Flash wasn't a villain, so to speak. And what is this thing about "no beating up on spidey"? What does that mean? Well, in any case, no one except for Mace could actually go hand to hand with Spidey. When I say, NO ONE, that means not one single person from the Star Wars world could...and at that, the only showing we have for Mace is H2H is Clone Wars, which is 3rd party semi-cannon at best. (If I'm not mistaken, GL said that if there was ever a conflict with the EU and the movies, the movies would always triumph as Cannon.)
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
No one used a lightsabre on Spidey ever in the movies, so thats out too, I guess....
I seriously have no idea where this is coming from. Try sing the quote feature and quoting specific portions of my post so I can better understand where this is coming from. Oh, and it's spelled lightsaber*. 😐
*"Inside" joke between Ush and I.