Spider-man and The Jedi Order

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Anakin got cocky. It's sort of like how Dr Doom allows himself to be defeated. He thinks he's so above everyone that it lets others beat him. Remember, he was still a young punk in ROTS. Luke couldn't take Palpatine while undertrained, but he managed to hold him off for seven years.

The comics are canon as well

Logic doesn't follow, sir.

'Undertrained Luke beat Vader.'

'Undertrained Luke couldn't take on Palpatine.'

But Vader takes out Palpatine? Discrepancy?

Also, that "held him off for seven years' sounds like some pedophile Lolita shit.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes I know the interview.

He meant "The potential to make the right choices".
GL was saying that Anakin and Luke have all the same challenges, but Anakin f**ks up on his choices, yet Luke makes the right ones.

That was the context.

If Luke was even half what Anakin was in ROTS he'd have killed the Emporer, ripping his head off, shat down his neck and ate his still beating heart.

LOL It doesnt matter if youre black or white (Except MJ prefers them white.)

Originally posted by Robtard
Logic doesn't follow, sir.

'Undertrained Luke beat Vader.'

'Undertrained Luke couldn't take on Palpatine.'

But Vader takes out Palpatine? Discrepancy?

Also, that "held him off for seven years' sounds like some pedophile Lolita shit.

He did hold him off for seven years. Read Dark Empire.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, it's not canon on KMC. So...

That's a misconception.

They're canon in every forum except for this one.

Look it up on youtube. Its a part of a documentary he made where he talks about Anakin's/Luke's arcs and about the works of Joseph Campbell. The interviewing journolist is Bill somebody I forgot the sirname of, (one of your american well known interviewers)

You'll enjoy it when you find it, its good. I think it was out in 2005.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Untrained Luke almost beat Vader in Episode V, decisivly beats him in Episode VI. He couldn't take on Palpatine because he was untrained, but used his power to boost Vaders power.

He did hold him off for seven years. Read Dark Empire.

Luke got diced in ESB.

"boosting" is all speculation on your part.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Untrained Luke almost beat Vader in Episode V, decisivly beats him in Episode VI. He couldn't take on Palpatine because he was untrained, but used his power to boost Vaders power.

He did hold him off for seven years. Read Dark Empire.

Dark Empire = EU

He didnt even come close to beating Vader.

Actually if Vader hadn't been wearing that thick armor he would have lost his arm and his head.

But I suppose that that can be c ountered by the fact that Vader wasn't going all-out until AFTER he got hit.. then coincidentally Luke lost his hand ten seconds laer.

Vader had the upper hand because of experiance, but Luke even holding his own for more than a few seconds should be considered a "feat". If it was Spiderman, he would get tagged and decapitated.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
That's a misconception.

They're canon in every forum except for this one.

For GOOD reason, if we included, books, comics etc, it wouldn't be a 'Movie Vs.' forum, it'd be something else.

It'd be "Star Wars pwns 90% of the characters in the threads it's involved in" forum?

If EU were invovled the last three or four Star Wars vs. threads in here would only last a page.

But, EU is allowed in the Video Game vs and there usually isn't any problems.

I say that Impediment should do what Lana did, and just have it so that the levels of canon and canon are sources are entirely up to the discretion of the thread starter. If he says no EU and no movie Novelezations, fine. If he says it's allowed, fine. Arguing for five pages about why EU should or shouldn't be allowed is pointless.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
It'd be "Star Wars pwns 90% of the characters in the threads it's involved in" forum?

If EU were invovled the last three or four Star Wars vs. threads in here would only last a page.

But, EU is allowed in the Video Game vs and there usually isn't any problems.

So you declare victory to Luke on the basic that he managed to escape from Vader after having his hand cut off, losing his lightsabre and having then having his world rocked finding out that his dad was a armourclad half machine child murderer and then attempting suicide by falling like half a mile and nearly falling off of the bottom of the Bespin colony...?

Jeez. Id hate to see him LOSE in your book.... 😮

😆 I said he won in ESB?

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
It'd be "Star Wars pwns 90% of the characters in the threads it's involved in" forum?

If EU were invovled the last three or four Star Wars vs. threads in here would only last a page.

But, EU is allowed in the Video Game vs and there usually isn't any problems.

I say that Impediment should do what Lana did, and just have it so that the levels of canon and canon are sources are entirely up to the discretion of the thread starter. If he says no EU and no movie Novelezations, fine. If he says it's allowed, fine. Arguing for five pages about why EU should or shouldn't be allowed is pointless.

Na. iirc, Spider-man took on the powers of the Beyonder for a short duration in some comic storyline, which would count if we're bringin in books and comics into the Movie Vs. forum.

Then it wouldn't be a Movies Vs. forum.

Edit: Which is what I like, considering people don't need to know more about a character than what is seen in a movie(s) to debate here.

No, it would. Because EU and comic sources only count when they're current for that character. I.E.: Spiderman may have had the power at one point. But because he CURRENTLY doesn't have it it wouldn't count. Thus, "current Spiderman" would have no such power. Superman before the Crisis retcon was able to blow up solar systems with a sneeze. However, CURRENT Superman can't do that because he was weakened incredibly by the Crisis event.

However, if the thread starter says that it's specifically Spiderman from that comic event specifically, then he has the power. Otherwise default Spiderman has nos uch abilities. If you specifically say Super Pre-Crisis then he has all the powers before they were taken away.

Obviously, if someone's dead you can't say "He doesn't have any powers because he's currently dead". If it's "current" then it's just automatic that he has whatever powers he had up to the point where he died.

So, no. Current Spiderman would lose to a Sith pretty easily.

Meh, It all comes down to personal preference. But, as someone who has heavily debated Star Wars EU heavily for the last three years, and has actually benefited from doing so in real life, it irks me to have to debate about Star Wars in it's inferior, ridiculously easy to misinterpret, form, the movies.

All sounds like needlessly over complicated shit to me.

Should in a EU encompassing scenario be able to include the powers at the pinnacle of the character's personal power, as well as the EU's biggest weakness too. The 'reality' of that character lies between those two points.

G1 Starcsream wiped out half of the transformers (both Autobot and Decepticon) by himself, when he inherited/stole a part of the underbase.

Now while I might not insist that Starscream be judged soley on that, but it would be a considered scenario that is entitled to be discussed.

We also have to consider how the Force would relate to other metaphysical entities in Marvel/DC/etc. We just don't know.

It sounds complicated because I'm a shitty writer and you haven't seen it in actual application.

It's more about just having "common sense", or not purposefully being a douche.

This sub-forum here is the ONLY forum that I've ever seen it as such a big problem.