I've been asked to give my opinion on the canon status of The Clone Wars movie- afraid I am not going to be much help though.
Star Wars canon is an irritating area that has even subject to many stated contradictions over time. We run a canon policy in the SW areas that wer believe is the best interpretation of the available comments on the issue, most noticably from GL himself (who talked plainly about the parallel nature of the EU) but also from the likes of Steve Sansweet, head of fan relations, who fairly much made it clear that Boba Fett was dead in the films but alive in the EU, again making the clear separation.
Once you've got that separation, you then have to identify what is 'canon' (meaning, really, canon to the films) and what is EU (which of course has its own canon, which even includes the films but also has a lot else). This causes some confusion as some people get the idea that a synonym for EU is 'non-canon'. This is not true, it just so happens that EU is non-canon to the films in this paritcular case (unlike, say, the Matrix, whose EU equivalents are very much part of the actual storyline). It is also worth noting that EU material is official and produced specifically as part of the EU, and so you can have stuff that is a. not EU and b. also not canon (like the website, for example). It is also very important to notice that the EU only includes stuff set IN the SW universe but not actually based off anything GL did- so the novels of the films, whilst not fully canon, are NOT EU at all.
Anyway- long story short... no-one knows about the movie. It's difficult to even class it as EU as it is not following the same production structure as EU material in order to make it so; it seems reasonable to call it EU but that's not an absolute. Comment on its canon status from any official source is nowhere to be found. Certain elements of GL's involvement with the production can give a certain weight to saying these films are much more canon than any EU novel. But it is also reasomable to point out that if they had been comic books rather than on-screen there would be no debate about them being non-canon, so what's magic about being animated?
So I am afraid we're currently only able to offer a 'wait and see, but be careful' policy on TCW canon. I recommend caution, but if anyone is certain they are canon or non-canon I cannot literally prove them wrong.
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Meanwhile, to clarify, as far as we operate things in the SW areas around here is concerned the statement "The EU is canon unless conteradicted" is not true. That is a statement that we would say is true of the novels of the films- that what they say is canon unless expressly contradicted. The EU is different- due to its parallel universe nature, none of what it says is canon whether it contradicts the movies or not. It's just all in a different setting.
If what the EU says DOES contradict the movies, then that is rejected even from the EU's own canon, as the EU recognises the films as the highest canon within its own continuity.
It is also important to note that the whole G-canon C-canon etc. thing is a continuity structure for the EU only. And just because GL CAN override EU plots he takes a dislike to, it absolutely in no way at all means that he canon-sanctions everything that stays. He has directly said that he doesn't involve himself in that parallel universe.
EDIT: Also... I don't think Anakin is still a Padawan by the time of the TCW movie, so no bad on him having a Padawan himself.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Two things:
If GL says it's a parallel universe, then it clearly isn't the same and wouldn't be canon in regards to the 'original', similar, not the same though, as he's made the distinction?
Doesn't the CW movie (and show?) take place between ep 2 and 3? If so, Anakin was still under Obi's tutelage at the being of AOTC, no?
Yep yet theres none of that in Clone Wars.
This version of clone wars seems to be set right after the Original Cartoon CW VOL 1. (Judging by Anakin's appearance, the uniforms and vehicles in use by the fleet etc) Yet later in VOL2.... NO mention of padawans of Anakins and it is then that we see Anakin get knighted.
And Anakin is portrayed like a generic responsible big brother douchetoon to his new padawan...utterly going away from the dangerously destabilsed Jedi portrayed in the movies.
This constant money making/overworking of things by these EU folk leads to a horrific piss cloud in a reasonably clear swimming pool of logic.
Originally posted by Robtard
Which brings us back to Bardock's frustration, the level of classic "fanboyism" you and Dadudemon display on these threads can be a bit overwhelming.
lol...
Why bring me into this? I sided with Star Wars characters when reasonable. Jango would turn batman into Swiss Cheese. An above average Jedi Knight would beat Spiderman. Doesn't sound fanboyish. However, trying to pass off the Flash scene as a standard feat/power of spiderman from the movies is slightly fanboyish, imo. It's almost as bad as me trying to pass off blaster bolt speed as functionaly infinite.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
That all Jedi are as good as Anakin with a lightsabre.
(That all Jedi could have snipped the slugipede thingies off of Padme)
Yup. Pretty much. 😐 (I was saying "yup" to the snipping of the centipede thingies off of Padme...not that they are all as good Anakin. That's stupid.)
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
That they use the force to land crashing ships.
No...Only in the EU. 😐 (The Force Unleashed)
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
That Jedi Precog is infailiable.
(Despite the numerous times that it lets Jedi/Sith down)
It's not. I've even talked about situations that they should have noticed but didn't. 😐
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And that despite Spiderman's ability to stop speeding trains, that the Jedi are more powerful and would win H2H
Uhhh.. No. 😐
Only a EU Mace Windu would be a good match of Spiderman, H2H and Mace only. That's not forum canon, so it doesn't count, as I've already pointed out.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Are some things that have that have been argued.
What ever you're referring to, you're probably wrong about that too. 😐
😆
Just messin', bro.
Originally posted by Robtard
When a padawan has a padawan, is that canon?The jedi are also more powerful all around, than in the movies, iirc.
Robtard is right. Lifting a mountain and various other things are such BS. There’s no way that that’s canon in anyway shape or form. I could be wrong..but…I don’t consider that canon. It’s much too alien to the core six.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And like Robtard says: Padawans with Padawans= Poo.
While I agree with the point you're illustrating, it is Jedi Knight with a padawan, and, therefore counts. I am unsure why that point was spammed by you two so much. It's not really a big deal, anyway.
Also, they didn't have very much uber powers in the CW movie. I was rather disapointed. I was hoping that they would do some uber stuff like they did in the Cartoon.
Originally posted by Robtard
Two things:If GL says it's a parallel universe, then it clearly isn't the same and wouldn't be canon in regards to the 'original', similar, not the same though, as he's made the distinction?
Doesn't the CW movie (and show?) take place between ep 2 and 3? If so, Anakin was still under Obi's tutelage at the being of AOTC, no?
Wasn't Obi a Jedi Master during III? He was at least Anakin's superior in the Republic miltary because he was a general.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yep yet theres none of that in Clone Wars.This clone wars seems to be set right after the Original Cartoon CW VOL 1. Yet later in VOL2.... NO mention of padawans of Anakins and it is then that we see Anakin get knighted.
And Anakin is portrayed like a generic responsible big brother douchetoon to his new padawan...utterly going away from the dangerously destabilsed Jedi portrayed in the movies.
This constant money making/overworking of things by these EU folk leads to a horrific piss cloud in a reasonably clear swimming pool of logic.
I can understand why they did that though, it's aimed to appeal to younger audiences at home, the ones that probably haven't watched ep:4-6; not to old-school ***** like us.
My daughter loves the show, she's 4 though.
GL loves his money, that is the real driving Force.
Sure. It has a valid audience, and I myself wtach it... but I'll never let events in the cartoon/cgi dictate in a ruling over the Live action movies though.
And we were pretty young getting into SW, before the dark times....before the oversanitization empire..
Still Anakin ultimately is/will be a child killer and youre right, this child killer had to look freindly for the kids in this cartoon.
If Freddy Kruger turns up at anypoint of the series, hell have big pixar eyes and spoon fingers just so they can sell it to the kids.
His greed is lowering the standards of the earth.
Originally posted by Robtard
I can understand why they did that though, it's aimed to appeal to younger audiences at home, the ones that probably haven't watched ep:4-6; not to old-school ***** like us.My daughter loves the show, she's 4 though.
GL loves his money, that is the real driving Force.
Certain fanboys don't realize this. What you just posted would cause their eyes to bleed.
GL went to a animated series because of the much lower production cost per minute of screen time. When he did the PT, I remember watching an interview with him where you could tell he was tired as hell from doing the movies. He sounded borderline grumpy about the movies.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Wasn't Obi a Jedi Master during III? He was at least Anakin's superior in the Republic miltary because he was a general.
I believe so, doesn't take away that Anakin was still learning under him in ep:2 and it wasn't until late in ep:3 that Anakin leaving Obi's care should be considered, either way, he's still a padawan through the 1-3 series.
edit: wait, he might have been made knight mid-way through 3, I forget. Still long after the Clone Wars movie/series though.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Certain fanboys don't realize this. What you just posted would cause their eyes to bleed.GL went to a animated series because of the much lower production cost per minute of screen time. When he did the PT, I remember watching an interview with him where you could tell he was tired as hell from doing the movies. He sounded borderline grumpy about the movies.
And so he could mash it down and into a sickening toystory version for the extra kid revenue..
Originally posted by Robtard
I believe so, doesn't take away that Anakin was still learning under him in ep:2 and it wasn't until late in ep:3 that Anakin leaving Obi's care should be considered, either way, he's still a padawan through the 1-3 series.edit: wait, he might have been made knight mid-way through 3, I forget. Still long after the Clone Wars movie/series though.
He's a full fledged Knight in III. The braid thingie is removed when the "graduate". He had it in II, but not in III. He gave his braid thingie to Padme. Wasn't that in III? Didn' she play with it?
Also, Obi Wan calls Anakin Skywalker a Jedi Knight in a New Hope.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sure. It has a valid audience, and I myself wtach it... but I'll never let events in the cartoon/cgi dictate in a ruling over the Live action movies though.And we were pretty young getting into SW, before the dark times....before the oversanitization empire..
Still Anakin ultimately is/will be a child killer and youre right, this child killer had to look freindly for the kids in this cartoon.
If Freddy Kruger turns up at anypoint of the series, hell have big pixar eyes and spoon fingers just so they can sell it to the kids.
His greed is lowering the standards of the earth.
Of course not, I also watch the newest Batman cartoon; it's loaded with outright nonsense, in-line with West's version of Batman. I don't consider it part of the new Bale franchise though.
I first watched ep:4 in '79 or '80, I was 6-7, to age myself. I also remember waiting in line with a stupid grin to watch ESB and ROTJ, how I loved those ****ing Ewoks back then and was blinded to the idiocy.
Even Ventress who's supposed to be evil to the core isn't all that villainous, for the kids, you know.
Originally posted by dadudemon
He's a full fledged Knight in III. The braid thingie is removed when the "graduate". He had it in II, but not in III. He gave his braid thingie to Padme. Wasn't that in III? Didn' she play with it?Also, Obi Wan calls Anakin Skywalker a Jedi Knight in a New Hope.
Sure, as I don't fully recall. I only really liked AOTC of the new flicks.
Clone Wars takes place between which movies then, 1-2 or 2-3?
We we all fooled, man..... It was years later when we would realise the horror....but at least we'd get cool dark stuff in the OT with the ewokery. ESB, severed limbs, burned skeletons etc. It rocked.
Ventress..! Another good point.....too many apprentices/sub appprentices/half quasi apprentices.
"Only two there motherf**king well are.."
Did the writers not hear Yoda's words...?
CW goes down between 2 and 3.