Count Nefaria vs Superman

Originally posted by fangirl101
When you ban The JLA Cross over which is canon per the companies themselves, then you ban feats for characters on both sides that are valid to the characters. I like the Superman Thor Fight. I like the Wondy scene with Quasar. I like the Monica Rambeau GL thing. Those are all things that are agreeable to use in debates and make sense.

don't those people all have higher feats than what happened in JLA/Avengers?

It's a nice story, and i am a huge busiek fan, but bada and i just think that most of the examples in that story just don't compare when they've all gotten bigger and better.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I ALREADY GOT THAT. I'm just saying it's weird to have Gotham and New York when they're basically clones. shrug

Originally posted by fangirl101
Lulz. He's in fact saying the cross over is canon but cant' be used becuz it's too controversial. Don't get too happy. Matter of fact, I tire of your style of debate anyway. Perma Ignore.

Did or can max Count Nefaria further drain powers?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
It may be a bad story, it may be illogical but it surely is canon. You may like it or not, for you it may be not canon for marvel and dc it was, you have to life with it.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I don't want to derail this thread even further, but I have to ask. Can it be referenced in future debates? It's obviously not primary canon, and it would be rather silly to base an entire argument on one crossover. Is it relevant at all? Will I get bant if I even mention it? ( 😛 )

What I'm asking really, is that, does it have any weight in an argument? Can it be used with some proof from main canon?

give me an example lol...

Even though Superman has more speed; as mentioned, his reserves are lesser than that of Nefaria.

All of the slight advantages Superman has at the outset would diminish while Nefaria remains at optimal strength.

I go with Nefaria.

Ahem, Nefaria only drains IONIC powers. Not other kinds.

Superman's reserves are legendary, go blow smoke elsewhere.

Didn't CN get koed when hit with a 90ton body coming at him at the speed of sound (vision)?

^ People have already talked about how that came at the end of a drawn-out battle with all of the Avengers. Try to keep up.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ahem, Nefaria only drains IONIC powers. Not other kinds.

^ Never mind. Apparently Count Nefaria used science to imitate the powers of the three characters when they were amped. Just reread it. My mistake. Did Bendis get it wrong when he had Count Nefaria steal away Spiderman's power during the RAFT breakout?

Most likely. srug I've never heard of him draining powers from other characters, aside from Ionics.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Batman catching Punisher's left hook makes sense.

By the way Pun was shot in both his shoulders when that happened.

Originally posted by Raoul
Badabing and I have discussed this at length, and have decided to make an addition to the rules:

I'm sure there are plenty of other sources you can use to make on topic arguments, guys.

So what are the rare exceptions? You also said some DC vs Marvel could be used

Originally posted by Mindset
When did Marvel claim it was canon, what handbook?

http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookoic4.jpg

Here's Grandmaster's Bio.
Read the last giant paragraph.

Here, in JLA/Avengers, Pulsar -- who is able to duplicate energy, does so to the energy of GL's ring. Bottom Panel.

--Click full size on these to see better.

http://www.putfile.com/pic/7450407

Here- in he bio.
http://www.putfile.com/pic/5479438

'such as when she replicated and drained the verdant willpowered energies of an extra-dimensional emerald gladiator.'

All in all though, it probably really doesn't do much for these vs threads, as feats are what counts anyways.

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookoic4.jpg

Here's Grandmaster's Bio.
Read the last giant paragraph.

Doesnt that make it JLA/Avengers canon then?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
By the way Pun was shot in both his shoulders when that happened.

So what are the rare exceptions? You also said some DC vs Marvel could be used

iirc, JLA/Avengers was itself the rare exception. that'll need to be edited.

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookoic4.jpg

Here's Grandmaster's Bio.
Read the last giant paragraph.

yup, i know... 😛

Originally posted by Juntai
All in all though, it probably really doesn't do much for these vs threads, as feats are what counts anyways.

pretty much. while jla/avengers is good, most of the content you or anyone else would use for vs competitions is outdated. superman beat thor. great. while i still think superman would beat thor, both men have come a long way since then.

primary universe feats have to come first.

Originally posted by Avlon
Superman Ftw.

LOL @ this new "averages" angle.

Yeah, it's a way of saying "I don't like what Superman can do at full capacity, so I'm just going to put his average on a level that's convient to my case".

Anyway, my interest in this discussion has faded.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Supes ftw. Superior in pretty much every category.

^ Bye.