Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ <-- Arrow was an indication that I was responding directly to your statement that you were no longer interested in this thread. Forgive me for assuming you'd still post in a thread you're no longer interested in.
Who said I'm no longer interested in the thread ? I was reffering to no longer being interested in the 'average' or 'look how he didn't even flinch after being punched by Wonderman, that clearly puts him at > Superman durability' discussion I had with Goober.
Though yeah, I don't care much for the thread anymore either, since I doubt opinions will change in the first place.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Yeah, it's a way of saying "I don't like what Superman can do at full capacity, so I'm just going to put his average on a level that's convient to my case".Anyway, my interest in this discussion has faded.
But if people would rather go solely by high end feats I guess we could just say that no one less powerful than Darkseid/Unilord can beat Supes/Surfer, no one less durable than a Celestial can survive a shot from Thor's hammer, and no one slower than Death can catch the Flash, regardless of how often other characters accomplish those very feats.
But I won't press the point, if you're done that's cool...
Originally posted by Juntai
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allnewofficialhandbookoic4.jpgHere's Grandmaster's Bio.
Read the last giant paragraph.
Pretty much a moot point; but these are great finds Juntai. I had never seen them before.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No it's a way of saying "Supes/Surfer/Thor/Flash shouldn't be judged solely on their preformances against Darkseid/Unilord/Celestials/Black Flash because they have plenty of showings that are far less impressive". It's a subjective topic, but then again so are most things being discussed on the vs Forum.But if people would rather go solely by high end feats I guess we could just say that no one less powerful than Darkseid/Unilord can beat Supes/Surfer, no one less durable than a Celestial can survive a shot from Thor's hammer, and no one slower than Death can catch the Flash, regardless of how often other characters accomplish those very feats.
But I won't press the point, if you're done that's cool...
Superman has gone up against Darkseid long enough to prove that he is on his level when fighting one on one, so to be honest I see your example as a bad one. I addmitedly haven't read the Unilord saga, so I can't speak about that, although issue numbers so I can read it tomorrow would be appreciated. And it's not like Thor was fighting the Celestials on equal footing or anything like that, he was clearly the underdog, and the damage he did as far as I recall was with the belt of strength, and practically focusing all he got on that blow, so saying that nothing less than a Celestial can survive Thor's hammer based on that is inaccurate. Death was actually catching up with Flash, and the only reason he survived was because he reached the end of the Universe and, afterall, I see nothing wrong with this being used in debates, since Flash has quite a few examples of high-speed feats.
It is my opinion that it's in this matches that we actually see the true capabilities of the characters, events in which their capabilities are truly tested, and not in the 'average' showings, in which they tend not to go all out. So as long as the showing doesn't contradict the character's established powerset/history (like in the case of the famous Firelord vs Spiderman or Silver Surfer vs Black Panther), then I see them as admissable in a 'full capacity' fight.
This discussion mostly belongs to the rules thread, though.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman has gone up against Darkseid long enough to prove that he is on his level when fighting one on one, so to be honest I see your example as a bad one. I addmitedly haven't read the Unilord saga, so I can't speak about that, although issue numbers so I can read it tomorrow would be appreciated. And it's not like Thor was fighting the Celestials on equal footing or anything like that, he was clearly the underdog, and the damage he did as far as I recall was with the belt of strength, and practically focusing all he got on that blow, so saying that nothing less than a Celestial can survive Thor's hammer based on that is inaccurate. Death was actually catching up with Flash, and the only reason he survived was because he reached the end of the Universe and, afterall, I see nothing wrong with this being used in debates, since Flash has quite a few examples of high-speed feats.It is my opinion that it's in this matches that we actually see the true capabilities of the characters, events in which their capabilities are truly tested, and not in the 'average' showings, in which they tend not to go all out. So as long as the showing doesn't contradict the character's established powerset/history (like in the case of the famous Firelord vs Spiderman or Silver Surfer vs Black Panther), then I see them as admissable in a 'full capacity' fight.
This discussion mostly belongs to the rules thread, though.
Do you see Supes as being able to endure everything Neferia did as well as Neferia did consistently? If he can't, Neferia's more durable in that situation.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSo you're of the opinion that Supes can withstand repeated shots from Scarlet Witch, Iron Man, the Vision, classic Wonderman, and Thor over the course of a day better than Neferia did? Not via moving out of the way or anything like that(Supes is hands down faster than Neferia), actually take and withstand everything they dished out?
Yes, he can. He has higher durability showings, more pain tolerance, greater reserves, etc.Hell, IMO, Superman would have had a good shot at beating that team. He wouldn't have fallen the way Nefaria did.
Thor is the only real threat. And he's got the showings to merit it. and it's not a fair fight at all. Superman can just clap rapidly and kill half of them off.
They beat Nefaria, but Superman is on a different level and he's quite simply more than this team can handle. Most of that team is a joke to him. 😬
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thor is the only real threat. And he's got the showings to merit it. and it's not a fair fight at all. Superman can just clap rapidly and kill half of them off.They beat Nefaria, but Superman is on a different level and he's quite simply more than this team can handle. Most of that team is a joke to him. 😬
Originally posted by TricksterPriestSuperman isn't on a different level and that is the point. Thor would imo beat him for the majority out of ten fights and with all the help here he definitely would go down in that situation. Even in dc he isn't above Orion, Black Adam, etc. He is on their level so at the end of the day he is just a top tier.
Thor is the only real threat. And he's got the showings to merit it. and it's not a fair fight at all. Superman can just clap rapidly and kill half of them off.They beat Nefaria, but Superman is on a different level and he's quite simply more than this team can handle. Most of that team is a joke to him. 😬
Superman is on a different level compared to Nefaria. Thor is the only person who could actually stop him. Everyone else is fodder. Sonic boom. Dead. Thunderclap. Dead. Heat Vision. Dead. Freeze Breath. Dead.
"Even in dc he isn't above Orion, Black Adam, etc. He is on their level so at the end of the day he is just a top tier." ...........Clearly you do not read enough Superman. 😐
Most of the 'help' is useless. Superman can rip through them with ease. Thor alone might stop him. But then again, if Superman fights smart and uses his speed, he can definitely win.
