starkiller vs sephiroth

yeah thats kind of my point, your saying everything like its fact, when you dont know, im just going by the shear magnatude of sephiroths power, sure they have never shown him use his tk on a grand scale, but that doesnt mean he cant, but your saying that because we havent seen it he cant do it. and also the part about sephiroth being able to destroy a star destroyer i dont think that is speculation because of all the things he is stronger than, i mean the only thing that has ever even hurt him was cloud, and we know that behamut can destroy citys, and we also know that he is weaker than sephiroth, so that kinda proves it

Originally posted by niduin
your saying that because we havent seen it he cant do it.

That's how debates work. 😐

and also the part about sephiroth being able to destroy a star destroyer i dont think that is speculation because of all the things he is stronger than, i mean the only thing that has ever even hurt him was cloud, and we know that behamut can destroy citys, and we also know that he is weaker than sephiroth, so that kinda proves it

So what you're saying is this:

Behemut is > a city. Behemut is > a Star Destroyer.

Cloud is > Behemut. Sephiroth is > Cloud. Thus, Sephiroth is > a Star Destroyer.

Is that what you're trying to say?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Only Sephiroth has shown no resistance to keep his brain from being popped, and Galen is hundreds of times better than Sephiroth in terms of TK.

First off, you can't prove that Galen is more powerful, because we don't even know how powerful Sephiroth really is. Your basically basing this off of theory here, we KNOW that Sephiroth has telekinesis and that he easily ripped the top portion of the Shinra building with ease. As to how powerful we do not know, however it's not hard to believe that his abilities would be great, considering 99.9% of what he did in VII was through his mind alone.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
As for Cloud's Omnislash BS, that is a No-Limits fallacy. All it has done is kill Sephiroth, whose durability is not impressive anyway.

I actually remember someone posting it up with the japanese mag stating about Cloud's Omnislash Ver. 5 being capable of breaking through an opponents defenses...I will look to find it for you to post it up here, considering it was from SE themselves, and whatever they say, goes. Also, please, quit the dirty talk already (I swear, the immaturity from you people are mind boggling, I can't debate with anyone on here without someone cussing to try and get there point across), Cloud's Omnislash is his absolute biggest trump card. That's why Sephiroth was not able to defend against it.

Sephiroth's durability doesn't need to be super impressive, considering Galen's durability isn't mighty impressive either. The two are equal in this department.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Sephiroth has knocked off a small section of building and TKed like 8 guys. Nothing to Galen.

A Sephiroth utilizing how much of his power, can you conclude? Mind you, Sephiroth was manipulating ALL of the clones during VII, from the Northern Crater, he even manipulates and controls a clone of himself that can fly, teleport and even speaks through him with it.

He does ALL of this with a body that isn't even fully formed and entirely upon his will. Now tell me, if a character can do this, their telekinesis would be equally impressive even if Sephiroth hasn't displayed his full potential.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Being able to fly, manipulate Lifestream, and holding knowledge about the Lifestream(no seriously, wtf is that going to do for him in this fight?) are not defenses to having a brain popped. That's like me saying that Galactus can hit Goku with a galaxy destroying blast and then you saying that Goku can sense Ki. Seriously, stop posting.

The showcases of him wielding the lifestream and not dying is an indication that his will "thinking, telepathy" would be HUGE. This is a strong indication that he would be a powerful wielder of telekinesis, you either are blind by your bias or have not fully assumed this.

You can't "blast" through someones mind without them noticing unless they are inferior to you in thought. How could Galen possibly rip through Sephiroth's "brain" without Sephiroth not being able to sense it? Can you explain that to me?

Lol, on the Goku and Galactus gig, we'll do that another day.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Galen cuts AT-ATs in half. 😐

Sephiroth cut a Junon canon in half, he was cutting the sky scrapers of Shinra Corp to pieces. However, unlike Galen, Sephiroth was doing this HOLDING BACK. For crying out loud, the feats he's doing is him not even using his full potential.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Vincent destroyed Omega Weapon(Who was weakened) by flying through him, Omega Weapon's death explosion made that shockwave, which also did not affect the planet AT ALL.

You didn't read the important part did you...Omega Weapon consumed the entire lifestream and all of the planets essence and was going to transfer it to another. Chaos Vincent defeated such an opponent, and he's stated to be inferior to Sephiroth. However it's been canonically stated that Sephiroth>>>Chaos Vincent>>>>Omega Weapon, and CV's feats are super impressive, considering he defeated arguably the most powerful Weapon in the VII Universe, and this weapon only appears only at the absolute worse case scenario, because he is a direct creation of the lifestream itself.

Also the shockwave and explosion was within the atmosphere, gosh forbid if it would've hit the ground. Show me also of something of where Galen has fought and defeated someone that was on the power magnitude of someone like Omega Weapon? Because Omega Weapon's power is on a planet level, yet CV defeated it, and Sephiroth is more powerful then both these beings.

Yet somehow...you make the claim that Galen can "easily" defeat Sephiroth?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
SEPHIROTH underrated!? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

No seriously, what? He is quite possibly THE most overrated character used in Game Vs.

He isn't overrated, he is however the most overly used (put into matches in which he obviously would not win, but simply for the enjoyment of people who don't like his character to get more immature acts rioting). Nobody is denying that Sephiroth can't be beat, those who disagree on that are overrating him, however there are those who actually can see that he isn't a push over...in case, this match up.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Why can't Galen Force Grip his way to victory when he has DONE IT?

There is absolutely NO evidence Sephiroth is immune to having his brain popped.

First off, the only way Galen would be able to "force grip" Sephiroth is if Sephiroth were to have a weak mind, and cannot counter this with his own telekinesis. This is where the whole logic of "he can force grip and it's over" fails, because Sephiroth has showcased a POWERFUL mind, has Galen ever showcased his mind to be so powerful that he can return from the dead? Twice at that?

Telekinesis does in fact involve using the mind to manipulate/destroy/bend to your will, and in Sephiroth's case, his mind is ridiculous. This is where we disagree, because what I've been trying to say for how many post now is that Galen can't simply force grip for free, because Sephiroth's Mind would not allow it.

More importantly, Sephiroth would be more then adequate to counter it back, since his mind is equally impressive. How can you

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Also, if you think Sephiroth's sword can cut better than a lightsaber, GTFO, would you kindly?

You must be joking here...let me explain to you the psychics of a Lightsaber. Firstly, it would take Galen a period of time to cut through debris that Sephiroth can slash through within a swing.

If the Lightsaber had the same potential as the Masamune then Qui-Gon Jinn should have easily sliced the door open with ease in Episode 1. Yet he had to sit there and slowly melt the door open. If Sephiroth would have been in the same situation, all he would do would be to swing his Masamune once, and the doors would be split in half.

The Lightsaber has actually been shown to eat the force of something hard, and though it would cut through it eventually, it takes awhile. However in the FF VII Universe case, Sephiroth and Cloud easily cut through gigantic and metal debris with complete and utter ease.

So you go back and do the logical thinking again, and tell me which one is more surreal.

However, I still stand by my notion, Sephiroth's telekinesis would be equally impressive, and his thought in telepathy and will would not simply allow him to get "force gripped" or "brain splat" for free by Galen. Saying that Galen can freely do this is a complete joke, and as I stated earlier, a complete underrating of Sephiroth's abilities. We do not know his full potential, however his feats with him holding back are already equally impressive and more then enough to confront Galen.

The force can only be stopped with the force, telekinetic's wouldn't do anything to the force. It wouldn't effect it in the slightest. It would be like trying to stop telepathy with a shield, wouldn't work.

This works both ways though.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican

So what you're saying is this:

Behemut is > a city. Behemut is > a Star Destroyer.

Cloud is > Behemut. Sephiroth is > Cloud. Thus, Sephiroth is > a Star Destroyer.

Is that what you're trying to say?

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
The force can only be stopped with the force, telekinetic's wouldn't do anything to the force. It wouldn't effect it in the slightest. It would be like trying to stop telepathy with a shield, wouldn't work.

This works both ways though.

Originally posted by niduin
im sorry but you cant claim this, since we are mixing the universes sephiroth might have an insane amount of mediclorien (sorry for spelling) but they dont know about those in the ff7 universe, and what is the force? well every living thing has it, just some have higher amounts than others so wouldnt sephiroth have it? and all it is is little living things that give you "energy" for lack of a better word, so what about that would make it so that only the force would be able to block it? oh and also, depending on the story a specialy made shield can block telepathy

Originally posted by Phanteros
read the op please he has all except life corruption shown in AC plus a fira spell. galen has all his force powers maxed plus speed force.

Originally posted by niduin
im sorry how does that have anything to do with what i said?

ok thank you

Originally posted by niduin
ok thank you

welcome

Originally posted by JustFrame
but simply for the enjoyment of people who don't like his character to get more immature acts rioting).

Welcome to KMC Forums. 🙂

and as I stated earlier, a complete underrating of Sephiroth's abilities.

Don't worry, you will get accustomed to it. 😉

JustFrame, stop wasting your time. Doesn't mater what you say and prove, they will allways distort or ignore the evidence, to make Sephiroth look weak and pathetic.

Originally posted by JustFrame
First off, you can't prove that Galen is more powerful, because we don't even know how powerful Sephiroth really is. Your basically basing this off of theory here, we KNOW that Sephiroth has telekinesis and that he easily ripped the top portion of the Shinra building with ease. As to how powerful we do not know, however it's not hard to believe that his abilities would be great, considering 99.9% of what he did in VII was through his mind alone.

I actually remember someone posting it up with the japanese mag stating about Cloud's Omnislash Ver. 5 being capable of breaking through an opponents defenses...I will look to find it for you to post it up here, considering it was from SE themselves, and whatever they say, goes. Also, please, quit the dirty talk already (I swear, the immaturity from you people are mind boggling, I can't debate with anyone on here without someone cussing to try and get there point across), Cloud's Omnislash is his absolute biggest trump card. That's why Sephiroth was not able to defend against it.

Sephiroth's durability doesn't need to be super impressive, considering Galen's durability isn't mighty impressive either. The two are equal in this department.

A Sephiroth utilizing how much of his power, can you conclude? Mind you, Sephiroth was manipulating ALL of the clones during VII, from the Northern Crater, he even manipulates and controls a clone of himself that can fly, teleport and even speaks through him with it.

He does ALL of this with a body that isn't even fully formed and entirely upon his will. Now tell me, if a character can do this, their telekinesis would be equally impressive even if Sephiroth hasn't displayed his full potential.

The showcases of him wielding the lifestream and not dying is an indication that his will "thinking, telepathy" would be HUGE. This is a strong indication that he would be a powerful wielder of telekinesis, you either are blind by your bias or have not fully assumed this.

You can't "blast" through someones mind without them noticing unless they are inferior to you in thought. How could Galen possibly rip through Sephiroth's "brain" without Sephiroth not being able to sense it? Can you explain that to me?

Lol, on the Goku and Galactus gig, we'll do that another day.

Sephiroth cut a Junon canon in half, he was cutting the sky scrapers of Shinra Corp to pieces. However, unlike Galen, Sephiroth was doing this HOLDING BACK. For crying out loud, the feats he's doing is him not even using his full potential.

You didn't read the important part did you...Omega Weapon consumed the entire lifestream and all of the planets essence and was going to transfer it to another. Chaos Vincent defeated such an opponent, and he's stated to be inferior to Sephiroth. However it's been canonically stated that Sephiroth>>>Chaos Vincent>>>>Omega Weapon, and CV's feats are super impressive, considering he defeated arguably the most powerful Weapon in the VII Universe, and this weapon only appears only at the absolute worse case scenario, because he is a direct creation of the lifestream itself.

Also the shockwave and explosion was within the atmosphere, gosh forbid if it would've hit the ground. Show me also of something of where Galen has fought and defeated someone that was on the power magnitude of someone like Omega Weapon? Because Omega Weapon's power is on a planet level, yet CV defeated it, and Sephiroth is more powerful then both these beings.

Yet somehow...you make the claim that Galen can "easily" defeat Sephiroth?

He isn't overrated, he is however the most overly used (put into matches in which he obviously would not win, but simply for the enjoyment of people who don't like his character to get more immature acts rioting). Nobody is denying that Sephiroth can't be beat, those who disagree on that are overrating him, however there are those who actually can see that he isn't a push over...in case, this match up.

First off, the only way Galen would be able to "force grip" Sephiroth is if Sephiroth were to have a weak mind, and cannot counter this with his own telekinesis. This is where the whole logic of "he can force grip and it's over" fails, because Sephiroth has showcased a POWERFUL mind, has Galen ever showcased his mind to be so powerful that he can return from the dead? Twice at that?

Telekinesis does in fact involve using the mind to manipulate/destroy/bend to your will, and in Sephiroth's case, his mind is ridiculous. This is where we disagree, because what I've been trying to say for how many post now is that Galen can't simply force grip for free, because Sephiroth's Mind would not allow it.

More importantly, Sephiroth would be more then adequate to counter it back, since his mind is equally impressive. How can you

You must be joking here...let me explain to you the psychics of a Lightsaber. Firstly, it would take Galen a period of time to cut through debris that Sephiroth can slash through within a swing.

If the Lightsaber had the same potential as the Masamune then Qui-Gon Jinn should have easily sliced the door open with ease in Episode 1. Yet he had to sit there and slowly melt the door open. If Sephiroth would have been in the same situation, all he would do would be to swing his Masamune once, and the doors would be split in half.

The Lightsaber has actually been shown to eat the force of something hard, and though it would cut through it eventually, it takes awhile. However in the FF VII Universe case, Sephiroth and Cloud easily cut through gigantic and metal debris with complete and utter ease.

So you go back and do the logical thinking again, and tell me which one is more surreal.

However, I still stand by my notion, Sephiroth's telekinesis would be equally impressive, and his thought in telepathy and will would not simply allow him to get "force gripped" or "brain splat" for free by Galen. Saying that Galen can freely do this is a complete joke, and as I stated earlier, a complete underrating of Sephiroth's abilities. We do not know his full potential, however his feats with him holding back are already equally impressive and more then enough to confront Galen.

2. Which is STILL a No-Limits fallacy.

EXCUSE me? I'm immature? Why? Because I said BS?

Dude.

Are we at a friggin Fundamentalist Catholic Church?

Let me put it this way.

Fvck that gay ass bullshit, I will curse all I muthafvckin want and if God has a problem he can go fvck himself and such off Jesus' dick.

Sephiroth's durability is not impressive, Galen took being thrown around by Vader and then chucked into outer space. Also, Galen has more resistance to TK attacks.

3. That's not telekinesis. Oh, and not to mention he did not make most of the clones do a thing, only one did something, and it was not a clone, it was Jenova.

4. Telepathy? Who cares about telepathy? Telekinesis is a PHYSICAL force.

Because Sephiroth cannot read Galen's mind, and therefore cannot predict or sense it until his brain is crushed? Do you know how weak a brain is?

5. He cut small pieces of buildings, which are made of weaker metals than an AT-AT. The Junon canon is as well. Lightsabers cut through blast doors. The strongest metals in SW. Heavy Laser Blast bounce off, which would destroy the Junon Cannon and Building.

6. Omega Weapon is bigger, physically stronger, and by feats much more powerful, it has resistances to having its brain popped, Sephiroth doesn't. you are using A>B>C logic.

7. Hahahahahahaha really? Like claims how Sephiroth would b!tch Pyron, can regenerate from a cellular level, and just the general fan-wanking?

8. Telekinesis is about breaking the body, not will. Try again.

And Sephiroth's TK feats are not half as impressive as Galen's.

9. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what? You're going to sit here and tell me how lightsabers function?

Sephiroth cuts through metal that is WEAK in comparison.

Lightsabers can cut through metals that are the strongest in the galaxy.

10. Only his brain is not especially durable, his TK is not half as impressive, so TK is all Galen needs to win.

Please, kindly STFU and GTFO sir.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Speculation. Galen has the far greater showings, there-fore, he>Sephiroth. Vs. Debating 101.

2. Which is STILL a No-Limits fallacy.

EXCUSE me? I'm immature? Why? Because I said BS?

Dude.

Are we at a friggin Fundamentalist Catholic Church?

Let me put it this way.

Fvck that gay ass bullshit, I will curse all I muthafvckin want and if God has a problem he can go fvck himself and such off Jesus' dick.

Sephiroth's durability is not impressive, Galen took being thrown around by Vader and then chucked into outer space. Also, Galen has more resistance to TK attacks.

3. That's not telekinesis. Oh, and not to mention he did not make most of the clones do a thing, only one did something, and it was not a clone, it was Jenova.

4. Telepathy? Who cares about telepathy? Telekinesis is a PHYSICAL force.

Because Sephiroth cannot read Galen's mind, and therefore cannot predict or sense it until his brain is crushed? Do you know how weak a brain is?

5. He cut small pieces of buildings, which are made of weaker metals than an AT-AT. The Junon canon is as well. Lightsabers cut through blast doors. The strongest metals in SW. Heavy Laser Blast bounce off, which would destroy the Junon Cannon and Building.

6. Omega Weapon is bigger, physically stronger, and by feats much more powerful, it has resistances to having its brain popped, Sephiroth doesn't. you are using A>B>C logic.

7. Hahahahahahaha really? Like claims how Sephiroth would b!tch Pyron, can regenerate from a cellular level, and just the general fan-wanking?

8. Telekinesis is about breaking the body, not will. Try again.

And Sephiroth's TK feats are not half as impressive as Galen's.

9. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what? You're going to sit here and tell me how lightsabers function?

Sephiroth cuts through metal that is WEAK in comparison.

Lightsabers can cut through metals that are the strongest in the galaxy.

10. Only his brain is not especially durable, his TK is not half as impressive, so TK is all Galen needs to win.

Please, kindly STFU and GTFO sir.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Speculation. Galen has the far greater showings, there-fore, he>Sephiroth. Vs. Debating 101.

2. Which is STILL a No-Limits fallacy.

EXCUSE me? I'm immature? Why? Because I said BS?

Dude.

Are we at a friggin Fundamentalist Catholic Church?

Let me put it this way.

Fvck that gay ass bullshit, I will curse all I muthafvckin want and if God has a problem he can go fvck himself and such off Jesus' dick.

Sephiroth's durability is not impressive, Galen took being thrown around by Vader and then chucked into outer space. Also, Galen has more resistance to TK attacks.

3. That's not telekinesis. Oh, and not to mention he did not make most of the clones do a thing, only one did something, and it was not a clone, it was Jenova.

4. Telepathy? Who cares about telepathy? Telekinesis is a PHYSICAL force.

Because Sephiroth cannot read Galen's mind, and therefore cannot predict or sense it until his brain is crushed? Do you know how weak a brain is?

5. He cut small pieces of buildings, which are made of weaker metals than an AT-AT. The Junon canon is as well. Lightsabers cut through blast doors. The strongest metals in SW. Heavy Laser Blast bounce off, which would destroy the Junon Cannon and Building.

6. Omega Weapon is bigger, physically stronger, and by feats much more powerful, it has resistances to having its brain popped, Sephiroth doesn't. you are using A>B>C logic.

7. Hahahahahahaha really? Like claims how Sephiroth would b!tch Pyron, can regenerate from a cellular level, and just the general fan-wanking?

8. Telekinesis is about breaking the body, not will. Try again.

And Sephiroth's TK feats are not half as impressive as Galen's.

9. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what? You're going to sit here and tell me how lightsabers function?

Sephiroth cuts through metal that is WEAK in comparison.

Lightsabers can cut through metals that are the strongest in the galaxy.

10. Only his brain is not especially durable, his TK is not half as impressive, so TK is all Galen needs to win.

Please, kindly STFU and GTFO sir.

and what happend to being polite to each other? jeez this is just a friendly debate no need to make things personal or make fun of religion

And this is where the "making fun" starts.

Originally posted by niduin
but honestly tho if you have played the entire game of ff7 100 times and drooled at Sephiroth in every play you would know how powerful the fans sephiroth is and this is just a laugh

corrections have been made

Jaxx, we will not tolerate bashing and discrimination like that. I see that again and I can guarantee a warning.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Jaxx, we will not tolerate bashing and discrimination like that. I see that again and I can guarantee a warning.