Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
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It seems we can never get anywhere again without cussing happening, the fact that you can't even refute any of my statements is what I find puzzling.
First off, you say Telekinesis is different from Telepathy, which is indeed true, however you still have not comprehended the biggest main point that I was point out, that Telekinesis requires a powerful mind in order for it to work. Which in case...Sephiroth has proven that he has a powerful mind by the multiple and many feats that he has displayed holding back his true strength.
Sephiroth cutting through the metal wasn't as impressive and "isn't" as advance as the metal's in Star Wars? Seriously, do we even know what kind of metals the VII universe uses? If we don't even know how powerful their metal is...how can you possibly assume that they are "inferior"? Speculation is all that you are basing this on.
The fact remains simple on the basics of the Lightsaber, you don't seem to want to comprehend that the Lightsaber actually works within the modern knowledge and psychics of our reality. Sephiroth's Masamune does not even work on any realm of our reality at all.
That's why you see the lightsaber taking time to cut through something sturdy, thick, or hard, because it's going against a resisting force. Where as in the VII Universe, characters can cut through debris like if were paper. Yes, we do know the basics of the Lightsaber, and please, talk to most SW's fan about it, everyone knows this basic lightsaber knowledge, I would of believed that someone like you who voted for Galen would know such a thing already.
Galen got thrown around by Vader was simply because Galen is not the single most powerful character within his world. Sephiroth is the most powerful being in the entire FF VII Universe, he even surpasses a Weapon that was created from the entire lifestream itself, and even surpasses the CV who defeated that very weapon.
The popping of the brain seriously needs to end, because it would take an entity of far greater telekinesis over Sephiroth in order for it to do so without him being aware of an attack. You still have not become aware that telekinesis with the "brain pop" would only work if the opponent is weak minded. Again, you still cannot seem to comprehend that Jedi Force powers requires thinking...meaning using your brain, to bend, mold or do things to your will.
It's just atrocious now that you keep mentioning "popping the brain" when in fact, the only way to do this would be to attack the receiver with some form of a mental attack, because Telekinesis requires using your mind, therefore, this would absolutely not come unnoticed to Sephiroth. Not to mention Sephiroth has proven that he has telekinesis, and that he is insanely powerful with the use of just his mind. This is why your logic doesn't make any sense, because you say telepathy and telekinesis are two different things, which is true...however you simply deny that they require the mind in order to achieve it's goal.
Does that make sense to anyone here? It surely doesn't to me.
Also, in VII, Sephiroth was manipulating ALL of the clones, you either forgot or you need to play VII thoroughly, ALL of the clones were guided by Sephiroth to reach the Northern Crater and meet for the REUNION. Even Cloud was manipulated to do so just like the clones although he didn't "know it" himself, he was basically doing Sephiroth's will.
The fact's are simple, Sephiroth is utilizing his WILL on a global scale, on multiple entities. During VII, Sephiroth achieved everything through his thoughts alone, so the conclusion is simple...Sephiroth's mind is powerful.
Absolutely in no way can Galen just "force into Sephiroth's brain" without Sephiroth not knowing. This is just a bias statement on your part for Galen, and the hate for Sephiroth's character has clearly clouded your open mindedness to this debate.
We have proven that Sephiroth's mind is powerful, however again, you seem to think that telekinesis doesn't involve having a powerful mind, or more importantly that a powerful mind doesn't equate to being able to resist or even counter another telekinesis attack (Sephiroth has shown he has this feat), when in fact telekinesis power itself derives from using the mind.
Until you get your bias away from Galen, then you will never comprehend this, and this will likely continue for 15+ more pages due to ignorance.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Quote where I bashed JustFrame.
Your quote - "Let me put it this way.
Fvck that gay ass bullshit, I will curse all I muthafvckin want and if God has a problem he can go fvck himself and such off Jesus' dick."
Obviously you were directing this at me as a mocking form, or another term a.k.a. bashing, all I ask is keep it clean and about the debate, not to direct it personally to the one debating you.
also with the tk of galen vs the tk of sephiroth, look at galen when he is using force grip on anything he is using his hands and cant do anything else when he is doing it, so if he was to pull down the top of the shinra builting (which im not saying he cant) he could have to put a lot of concentration into it or at least some. when sephiroth did it all he did was look up....thats it, so it should be obvious who is more powerful in this aspect
Originally posted by Burning thoughtyeah nothing states it your right, but when you see it happen you dont need someone to tell you that he did it, and you keep saying its all fans overplaying seph power, but all you keep saying is that galen is better you dont give any reasons just the same thing over and over again, he pulled the star destroyer down, your not comparing it with anything your just.....well fanboying tfu, stop saying that its because im a fan and give some real reasons
Nothing states Sephiroth pulled down the Shinra building does it? merely assumptions from fans....Altho tbh Galen would tear the entire building to pieces with the force, Star destroyer>>>>1000 of those buildings.
At one point in the book, Galen/the narrator flat out states that he could destroy a massive temple with one Force-push if he was so inclined. Temple>small piece of building.
Also, you need to actually prove stuff instead of saying 'it's obvious'. Maybe you could post the video and show us why its so obvious.
so what are we discussing if the rancor is more powerful than sephiroth?
No, I was merely stating some proof of Galen powers, as in the fact that if he could blow up something bigger and more durable (by best example i.e. S's best durability feat) he could do so to Sephiroth. I was also making up for misrepresenting Galens feat.
no and if you think he is you should leave the furum now
Maybe I would leave the Forum if you had actually spelt Forum correctly instead of making reference to the nonsensical word 'furum' and butchering the english language that I oh-so-love.
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Mabye, you should be the one to leave the fOrum and return once you've actually learnt to debate/spell/use grammar/logic.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Also, you need to actually prove stuff instead of saying 'it's obvious'. Maybe you could post the video and show us why its so obvious.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
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No, I was merely stating some proof of Galen powers, as in the fact that if he could blow up something bigger and more durable (by best example i.e. S's best durability feat) he could do so to Sephiroth. I was also making up for misrepresenting Galens feat.]
holy crap man im sorry i made a typo, why do you have to make everything personal
Because you touch yourself at night blue_bandana
Also, the word is in bold at the top of the page, so it stood out for me as a particularly bad mistake.
But I'm sorry if I offended you.
if you dont know about what sephiroth has done you shouldnt be arguing against it so im not proving a thing with a video
This is actually fair.
So tell me, when was the last time you read TFU novel? Because it would be just downright hypocritical of you to make such a statement and also not know anything about what Starkiller's done.
Right?
I'm Right, Right?
Tell me I'm Right.
(BTW, this is a common thing to do in debates whereby you mock your opponent to demoralise them and cause them to give up quicker, it has no impact to my personal feelings towards you)
Originally posted by niduin
yeah nothing states it your right, but when you see it happen you dont need someone to tell you that he did it, and you keep saying its all fans overplaying seph power, but all you keep saying is that galen is better you dont give any reasons just the same thing over and over again, he pulled the star destroyer down, your not comparing it with anything your just.....well fanboying tfu, stop saying that its because im a fan and give some real reasons
All he does is look up, when your in an already wrecked up city that looks like its rusted beyond hope only the fans assume he somehow used TK to pull it down.....
He did pull a star destroy, ive shown how big that monster is before in the Kratos vs Sephiroth thread, their about a mile in length and perhaps a quarter of that in width. If he can pull that down, not only could he smash over probably any building in FF without trouble but he would sure as hell overpower Sephiroths TK and shatter him into atoms.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtok the wrecked up city part is fair, but he did use tk to move it, it wasnt coincidence he looked up before it fell
All he does is look up, when your in an already wrecked up city that looks like its rusted beyond hope only the fans assume he somehow used TK to pull it down.....He did pull a star destroy, ive shown how big that monster is before in the Kratos vs Sephiroth thread, their about a mile in length and perhaps a quarter of that in width. If he can pull that down, not only could he smash over probably any building in FF without trouble but he would sure as hell overpower Sephiroths TK and shatter him into atoms.
and im not arguing the awesomeness of pulling down a star destroyer with your mind, that is bad ass man when i saw that it was awesome, im simply showing the fact that sephiroth barely had to think about moving something when galen has to concentrate to move anything. however little its still concentration, and also even if a builting is crumbling like that pulling down a big chunck like that would take a lot of force since its been there for 3 years not moving
Originally posted by Darth Exodusfair enough, i havent read the book, however when have i stated anything that you have said to the contrary? im taking your word for it that galen has done the things he has done so im not being a hypocrit
This is actually fair.So tell me, when was the last time you read TFU novel? Because it would be just downright hypocritical of you to make such a statement and also not know anything about what Starkiller's done.
Right?
I'm Right, Right?
Tell me I'm Right.(BTW, this is a common thing to do in debates whereby you mock your opponent to demoralise them and cause them to give up quicker, it has no impact to my personal feelings towards you)
PS thanks for the apology, and i misspell a lot of stuff anyway lol
Originally posted by niduin
ok the wrecked up city part is fair, but he did use tk to move it, it wasnt coincidence he looked up before it felland im not arguing the awesomeness of pulling down a star destroyer with your mind, that is bad ass man when i saw that it was awesome, im simply showing the fact that sephiroth barely had to think about moving something when galen has to concentrate to move anything. however little its still concentration, and also even if a builting is crumbling like that pulling down a big chunck like that would take a lot of force since its been there for 3 years not moving
He probably heard it, hes an enhanced super human, i think even a normal human would hear the noise of the roof of such a large building breaking away before it actually started falling. The noise of it breaking away from the metal would be more than enough for Sephiroth know it was happening, and this is enhanced super human were talking about with enhanced senses.
That still does not help sephiroth, Galen would still rip him to pieces with one force move....
ok this is a really good example, read the part about his strengths
Originally posted by Burning thought
He probably heard it, hes an enhanced super human, i think even a normal human would hear the noise of the roof of such a large building breaking away before it actually started falling. The noise of it breaking away from the metal would be more than enough for Sephiroth know it was happening, and this is enhanced super human were talking about with enhanced senses.That still does not help sephiroth, Galen would still rip him to pieces with one force move....
He was using telekinesis to break that building down, if your trying to contradict that he wasn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWQmByCodXM
Watch at 2:43 at how he just lies a simple gesture and bam...it comes caving down. Yet one still has to realize that he's holding back his full strength.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Sephiroth's deeds and feats contradict the statement that he's the most powerful character in FF7. I'm not going to doubt the creators of the game, but if we're strictly going by feats, then yeah...
You don't need to go by feats, because everything that Sephiroth has done thus far, he has been holding back. In AC, Sephiroth was just simply toying with Cloud, had he of exerted himself, he would of completely annihilated Cloud with ease.
I actually thought that Sephiroth couldn't teleport until Post-Nimbleheim, however with the release of things like CC...I've been proven wrong, he had this ability before Pre-Nimbleheim.
Before the official statements from Square themselves, I actually concluded that Chaos Vincent was the absolute most powerful being in the VII Universe, however the interview of the SE stated later on that Sephiroth is the #1 being in the VII Universe, there is absolutely nobody above or beyond him in that reality.
However, it is true as well, considering this, look at Sephiroth throughout his time...whenever he's gotten into a fight, were has she shown that he was struggling? I mean, I don't ever remember from CC, VII, and AC of ever seeing Sephiroth showing signs of fatigue or frustration, in fact, it's always been the other way around with the opponents who've confronted Sephiroth that shown signs of struggle, and fatigue.
Also the feats of Sephiroth not impressive?? He held back the force of Holy that was summoned from the planet itself by Aeris...the only force capable of countering Meteor. He even used his telekinesis to launch an assault against Avalanche paralyzing them and causing them tremendous pain. He can project illusions of himself, and obviously could create an entity of himself with the Jenova parts. He made this clone fly, levitate, use telekinesis, teleport etc, etc. He manipulated all of the clones to go to the reunion etc, etc...all doing this while residing at the Northern Crater, can anyone name me a time Galen could do feats like this with his mind all at once. Sephiroth basically caused the near destruction of the entire planet by simply using his mind, and never actually had to throw an attack until the end of VII.
Another notion is this...that Jenova was also able to read minds, however Sephiroth has even exceeded Jenova, by completely controlling her cells, so the notion of Sephiroth being a mind reader as well wouldn't be too far off.
If this isn't "amazing" in feats...then I really don't know what to say, and again, if people still deny Sephiroth's power of strength from the mind after reading all of the above, then I don't know what to say anymore. Because obviously doing everything above, living even though you don't even have a body anymore, and coming back from the dead twice isn't enough to indicate a powerful mind.
He only ever loses to Cloud due to his complete and utter arrogance because he enjoys toying with Cloud that actually outright blowing him out of the water, not because of his lack of abilities.
However, I grow tired of this...obviously although the majority of the most ridiculous things Sephiroth did was through his mind and will...that doesn't seem to be "grand enough" in some people's standards here. I still stand, Galen absolutely cannot "brain pop" Sephiroth, it isn't going to happen, Sephiroth is far to powerful of a mind user for that to even remotely work, this would eventually come down to a psychical battle, in which I vote Sephiroth...because he fly, teleport, has super strength, super speed. He also can do far more outrageous things with his Masamune then what can be done with a LightSaber I'm sorry to say, considering he can send gigantic energy waves that can slice giant and metal debris with utter ease...so he doesn't even have to "psychically" hit you to cut you in half.