Originally posted by fascistcrusader
When he had the Void Exdeath was capable of erasing the entire universe. With a thought he would cause Wilhelm to cease to exist.
Wilhelm could easily avoid the Void and torture him as he reappears behind him.
Exdeath is nowhere in Wilhelm's league. To think Exdeath would even take him down is mere fanboyism.
Originally posted by SpadeKing
Despite doing it during the fight?
After she compressed time... That's the point of compressing time. She can't just absorb the universe. She has to compress time first.
And she could only do that thanks to Ellone.
And she could only get at Ellone because of a machine.
Ultimecia's uber powers are a direct result of a lot of different things. She can't just **** up the universe on her own.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Xenogears also is our universe. Both the Perfect Works for XG and the Perfect Guide for Xenosaga state Lost Jerusalem is Earth.They're not references whatsoever. Mary Magdalene being the partner of the Messiah is not a reference to anything. It's a fact. Well it's a fact within fiction.
You might as well say The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons don't really take place in our universe.
Also like I've already told you, the first game starts on Earth iN Africa and then says 4000 years in the future.
No offense, but this is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read here. Xenogears is also part of OUR universe? Xenogears is a different universe from Xenosaga, what are you talking about?
They pretty much makes references to names, religions or Jesus, that has nothing to do with anything. It can be stuff from real life but that doesn't mean that a fictional game is related to our universe. I was reading the Perfect Guide and nothing there states such things, you're making this up. In Final Fantasy VIII you have the Earth and the Moon, so what? That means is part of our universe? I don't quite understand your point.
Originally posted by Luminatus
Ultimecia couldn't absorb the entire universe straight off. She's not that strong.
Simple as that.
Ultimecia was absorbing, Time, Space and all the existence. You don't know anything about Ultimecia's powers, it seems.
No offense, but this is one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read here. Xenogears is also part of OUR universe? Xenogears is a different universe from Xenosaga, what are you talking about?
Um..it's not that hard to understand. They're two separate fictional depictions of our universe.
Just like Star Trek depicts our universe. It's not the same universe as Xenosaga but both are the future of our Earth.
They pretty much makes references to names, religions or Jesus, that has nothing to do with anything. It can be stuff from real life but that doesn't mean that a fictional game is related to our universe. I was reading the Perfect Guide and nothing there states such things, you're making this up. In Final Fantasy VIII you have the Earth and the Moon, so what? That means is part of our universe? I don't quite understand your point.
I already told you. They outright quote books that exist in our universe. Jr. quotes the Wizard of Oz right before saying "you should read books".
It's not hard to understand it is our future because the first game starts on Earth and then says 4000 years in the future.
Ultimecia was absorbing, Time, Space and all the existence. You don't know anything about Ultimecia's powers, it seems.
No she can't. not without Time Compression. She needs Time Compression in order to absorb anything.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
There's nothing for Wilhelm to avoid. Exdeath thinks and then he's simply erased from existence.As for Ultimecia, at her peak she can and did. This is FF and Xenosaga at their best, not at a weaker state than their prime.
While Exdeath can summon the Void (which is pretty much a black hole) at will, he has never shown any instant erase in any game he's been in.
Wilhelm, unlike Exdeath, can instantly teleport and could easily floor Xenosaga's protagonists without any effort or uber attack (Void). Even when killed, he was still around as he didn't need a physical body to exist.
Even the Testaments are above Exdeath and they're below Wilhelm.
Originally posted by Luminatus
After she compressed time... That's the point of compressing time. She can't just absorb the universe. She has to compress time first.
And she could only do that thanks to Ellone.
And she could only get at Ellone because of a machine.Ultimecia's uber powers are a direct result of a lot of different things. She can't just **** up the universe on her own.
Ok so that changes what?
Originally posted by Luminatus
Um..it's not that hard to understand. They're two separate fictional depictions of our universe.
Just like Star Trek depicts our universe. It's not the same universe as Xenosaga but both are the future of our Earth.I already told you. They outright quote books that exist in our universe. Jr. quotes the Wizard of Oz right before saying "you should read books".
It's not hard to understand it is our future because [b]the first game starts on Earth and then says 4000 years in the future.
Exactly, they are fictional, thus isn't the future of OUR Earth. If they name something to make reference, I've already said it, that has nothing to do with anything as they are just references to real life stuff to create a fictional universe as many series does, Xenosaga isn't the only one.
Oh, and I couldn't find the part about that: 'Big Bang' thing, if you could bring the quote, I'll be thankful. If that thing created the Universe as you said, they must refer to the entire Universe you see here, not their Domains, as you said:
Originally posted by Luminatus
A Big Bang, according to every definition known, makes a universe.
Exactly, if that's the case, this is the Universe:
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Exdeath is capable of teleportation though. He teleports between two different planets with ease. Then on top of this he has incredibly fast movement when fighting, shown in his fight with Ghido where he zips across the screen leaving trails of after images.
None of that won't matter if he can't even hurt Wilhelm other than trying to throw him into the Void which isn't going to be much help here.
The Void isn't a place Wilhelm would get thrown into. The Void isn't just some empty plane, it's the opposite of existence, anything that is Voided is simply erased, there is nothing to dodge, nothing to avoid, just the target ceasing to exist. Exdeath used the Void to send some things to the rift, yes, but the rift is not the Void. Exdeath just thinks then Wilhelm is gone forever.
Exactly, they are fictional, thus isn't the future of OUR Earth. If they name something to make reference, I've already said it, that has nothing to do with anything as they are just references to real life stuff to create a fictional universe as many series does, Xenosaga isn't the only one.
So..what's the problem here? Xenosaga is a fictional version of our Earth and universe. That's it.
Oh, and I couldn't find the part about that: 'Big Bang' thing, if you could bring the quote, I'll be thankful. If that thing created the Universe as you said, they must refer to the entire Universe you see here, not their Domains, as you said:
First time it's mentioned is under the section
"<<Existences that Achieve the Activation of the Zohar>>"
Second time it's mentioned is under the section "What is Eternal Recurrence?"
It's right under the diagram.
"Eternal Recurrence restarts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang."
So, no, the Big Bang made just the Lower Domain. THat's specifically stated.
Originally posted by Luminatus
So..what's the problem here? Xenosaga is a fictional version of our Earth and universe. That's it.
No problem, but you making it sound like the Big Bang created OUR universe thus the Big Bang from Xenosaga created the Lower Domain when there you already have a Universe. It is not logical to think that Xenosaga's Big Bang created the whole Universe that is stated in that image instead that just a Domain? What about the Upper Domain? It was created also by a 'Big Bang'?
Originally posted by Luminatus
First time it's mentioned is under the section
"<<Existences that Achieve the Activation of the Zohar>>"Second time it's mentioned is under the section "What is Eternal Recurrence?"
It's right under the diagram."Eternal Recurrence restarts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang."
So, no, the Big Bang made just the Lower Domain. THat's specifically stated.
Let's make it simple for everyone:
The Zohar was already in existence from the time of this universe's birth, i.e. the Big Bang.
Where's the Universe in this image?