Xenosaga vs. Final Fantasy

This is from the "Perfect Guide" or something:

<<The Upper Domain and the Lower Domain>>
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The given names "Upper" and "Lower" for the domains are nothing more than relative names. It is like how the third dimension is to the second, or how the fourth dimension is to the third. Each possess an individual time axis and space axis, but as a whole, they are elements that form one universe. In addition, it is unknown even whether or not the lower domain's concept of time exists in the upper domain in the first place. But regardless, although the existing role and function differ in each due to their difference in structure, the lower domain is indispensable for the upper, and the upper domain is necessary for the lower. This is because they form a single universe with both parts included. Therefore, the dysfunction and collapse of one will exert an effect on the other as well.

I guess is pretty clear about the different domains. Is just a single universe.

I was checking all this topic, and fascistcrusader put an image showing Xenosaga's universe, and it is very clear that universe is composed by different domains, but is just a single universe. U-DO seems to reside in a higher domain, not universe.

If you read the topic, you saw I pointed out how the official guide says the lower domain featured in the games was birthed by a Big Bang.
A Big Bang, according to every definition known, makes a universe.

And since Xenosaga takes place in OUR UNIVERSE, just in the future, I see no reason to doubt this definition.

What U-DO can do? He can erase the universe? He can make the Past, Present and Future a single moment?

He's completely beyond the time of a universe. That's why the universe resetting does nothing to him.

And yes, he can erase the universe.

He can destroy multiple universes?

Yes.

Chaos is an universe destroyer?! What?!

I'm really doubting you read this topic.

"the Failsafe would have activated, spreading across the entire universe in the blink of an eye"

Failsafe = chaos. chaos activating his powers at the end of EP3 would have destroyed the universe in the blink of an eye had they not stopped it.

Ultimecia can solo.

Tell me, when did Ultimecia destroy a universe in the blink of an eye?

Different dimensions exist in different planes of existence.

That's more than one universe.

Xenosaga takes place in our universe? In the future? Where it says that?

Why that part of the quote says: "This is because they form a single universe" if they are different universes? Why that image is pointing just at a single universe, then?

Those domains seems to be like different dimensions or something not different universes.

Xenosaga takes place in our universe? In the future? Where it says that?

The first game opens with something happening on Earth and then skips ahead 4000 years.

Then there's the fact the characters reference everything from modern science and religion to the Wizard of Oz and songs.
Oh and Jesus is there.

Why that part of the quote says: "This is because they form a single universe" if they are different universes? Why that image is pointing just at a single universe, then?

Those domains seems to be like different dimensions or something not different universes.

Fine, let's go with your idea. It is a single universe. The lower domain is still the size of our universe because it is our universe and it was made by a Big Bang. it's composed of multiple galaxies.

Destroying the Lower Domain wuld still be universe-level busting because you did in fact destroy something the size of a universe.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to argue over Xenosaga because I've played the three games but that was years ago and I don't remember basically anything, so you may be right about your stance, however I have some doubts, that's why I'm asking.

What if they name Jesus and the religion? That makes the Xenosaga universe automatically our future?

It is not my idea, it is common sense.
That Big Bang may be not the same as ours, and yet we have few evidence that created our universe anyway.

"The Zohar was already in existence from the time of this universe's birth, i.e. the Big Bang."
"ternal Recurrence restarts the Lower Domain from the Big Bang."
http://translations.xenotensei.com/Xeno3/PerfectGuide.html

And like I said, Xenosaga 1 starts on modern Earth and then actually says 4000 years in the future.

A Big Bang makes a universe as the guide itself clearly says. The Lower Domain, even if we say it is just a dimension, is universe-sized.

Hey, thanks for that, I wanted to check that guide.

A fictional modern Earth you mean, like the Earth in Final Fantasy VIII, or many "Earths" in many different series/universes. Nothing suggest that they are talking about OUR universe, OUR Earth. To be honest, I never heard something like that.

I'll be checking that guide with full attention.
So the Lower Domain is now universe-sized? Just because it was started by a thing called: 'Big Bang'? So in the Lower Domain resides different Galaxies?

A fictional modern Earth you mean, like the Earth in Final Fantasy VIII, or many "Earths" in many different series/universes.

Since when was it Earth in FFVIII?
Not like it matters. The Earth iN Xenosaga is specifically called Earth and several historical things are referenced in it.

So the Lower Domain is now universe-sized? Just because it was started by a thing called: 'Big Bang'? So in the Lower Domain resides different Galaxies?

Big Bangs make universes according to all definitions, including the Guide. So the Lower Domain has to be universe-sized.
And yes, there are multiple galaxies. Xenosaga itself takes place in a separate galaxy because Wilhelm sealed off the Milky Way.

The planet in the Final Fantasy VIII universe is called the Earth.
Ok, name me some of those historical things.

Hmm... I see.
So Domain = Universe-sized?

There are multiple references to Christ and Christianity as a whole. Wilhelm was a RRoman Emperor. The characters talk about books and songs that existed.
KOS-MOS is Mary Magdalene, a real life figure.

And yes, that is the only logical conclusion. If all known definitions of Big Bang means it makes a universe and we know it made the Lower Domain, that must mean the Lower Domain is the size of a universe.
Also the fact the Lower Domain is supposed to be us so it has to be a universe.

To put an example.
Xenogears also makes many references to religion and stuff, if not more than Xenosaga. We can say that Xenogears (in fact) is OUR universe too? What you're saying here is FACT? Or is just speculation?

It's all fact. The guide I linked to you specifically says Wilhelm was an Emperor who persecuted the Messiah. The Messiah had Twelve Apostles....

The Patriarch in Episode II is even called Pope in the original Japanese.

And like I said, Mary Magdalene is there.

You didn't answer my question about Xenogears.

That's what they are, just references, just like a lot of game/series making references to real life stuff. That doesn't mean anything. That doesn't mean that Xenosaga is our universe at all.

Xenogears also is our universe. Both the Perfect Works for XG and the Perfect Guide for Xenosaga state Lost Jerusalem is Earth.

They're not references whatsoever. Mary Magdalene being the partner of the Messiah is not a reference to anything. It's a fact. Well it's a fact within fiction.

You might as well say The Da Vinci Code and Angels & Demons don't really take place in our universe.

Also like I've already told you, the first game starts on Earth iN Africa and then says 4000 years in the future.

Call it whatever you want, but canonically the lower domain and upper domain are nothing more than parts of a single universe. Ultimecia, Exdeath and the Cloud of Darkness could all destroy both domains of the Xensaga universe rather easily.

Then you have Chaos, who not only can but did destroy multiple universes and was about to wipe out the entire multiverse. Xenosaga gets a thrashing then U-DO goes and cries to its momma.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Call it whatever you want, but canonically the lower domain and upper domain are nothing more than parts of a single universe. Ultimecia, Exdeath and the Cloud of Darkness could all destroy both domains of the Xensaga universe rather easily.

Then you have Chaos, who not only can but did destroy multiple universes and was about to wipe out the entire multiverse. Xenosaga gets a thrashing then U-DO goes and cries to its momma.

I don't remember Exdeath being powerful enough to take on Wilhelm and U-DO.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Call it whatever you want, but canonically the lower domain and upper domain are nothing more than parts of a single universe. Ultimecia, Exdeath and the Cloud of Darkness could all destroy both domains of the Xensaga universe rather easily.

Just as easily as she destroyed the FF8 universe?
Oh wait...

And here she's dealing with multiple universe busters., several of which are completely beyond time manipulation on a universal scale.

Then you have Chaos, who not only can but did destroy multiple universes and was about to wipe out the entire multiverse. Xenosaga gets a thrashing then U-DO goes and cries to its momma.

You don't get more powerful than infinite. U-DO has infinite power.

PIS doesn't change the character's power.

PIS isn't a factor. Ultimecia couldn't absorb the entire universe straight off. She's not that strong.
Simple as that.