Superboy Prime vs Darkseid (h2h)

Originally posted by Allankles
If I was more serious I'd have stopped posting ages ago but seeing as I've wanted to entertain you, we're here.

[B]I don't see how this argument has come down to desperation, seeing as there's no empirical evidence as per FC that the ALE effected any kind of physical distortions on a universal scale.[/B]

Grant Morrison says that Darkseid's mastery of the ALE precipitates a disastrous war and his fall. Per Morrison:

When Mokkari releases the ALE over the Internet, "Time, Space... everything cracked." On-panel:

Cain commands Spectre to "Unmake Creation! Rebuild the world in Darkseid's name!" And as Spectre speaks the ALE, we see lightning crashing down, the seas churning and fires of destruction blowing up from the ground and in the seas. On-panel:

Please don't ignore the scans. That can be considered trolling.

Please don't concoct some inane excuse like "rebuild the world" actually means "enslave humanity," and those pillars of fires were laid by arsonists, or in the alternative, some imaginary retrofitted hell borers. That's just plain stupid.

Please reconcile and consolidate your own interpretations with each other so that I'm not half-agreeing and half-disagreeing with two different people on two different points.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I've already posted the on-panel proof several times. Just because you refuse to acknowledge it or make excuses, doesn't mean I haven't done exactly what you ask and given you on-panel proof.

Grant Morrison says that Darkseid's mastery of the ALE precipitates a disastrous war and his fall. Per Morrison:

When Mokkari releases the ALE over the Internet, "[b]Time, Space... everything cracked." On-panel:

Cain commands Spectre to "Unmake Creation! Rebuild the world in Darkseid's name!" And as Spectre speaks the ALE, we see lightning crashing down, the seas churning and fires of destruction blowing up from the ground and in the seas. On-panel:

Please don't ignore the scans. That can be considered trolling.

Please don't concoct some inane excuse like "rebuild the world" actually means "enslave humanity," and those pillars of fires were laid by arsonists, or in the alternative, some imaginary retrofitted hell borers. That's just plain stupid.

Please reconcile and consolidate your own interpretations with each other so that I'm not half-agreeing and half-disagreeing with two different people on two different points. [/B]

No, you're trolling. First of all you assume that I haven't seen the scans, after providing nearly 9 pages worth of argumentation against the idea that they present empirical proof of your claims.

I ask where the evidence is of the ALE reconstructing the universe and you give panels of Spectre screaming, a bit of lightning, a couple of fire pits and Mokkari transferring the ALE through the internet.

Why did it come this far? There is no empirical proof per FC of the ALE reconstructing the universe: I'm sorry! If there were, I'd have provided proof from the FC issues I have.

I tried to explain to you that the unmaking involved Anti-Life dwelling where the divine spark used to. The ALE removes the Old God's imprint on life (which is the signature of creation) and replaces it with Darkseid's anti-life.

You can disagree with this assessment, but I'm basing this on the purpose given by the plot for the ALE. As I said many pages ago and since, there was no physical distortion of the universe by the ALE because it's area of effect is life, not space, matter and time. It is a concept killer, a word weapon with the capability of enslaving souls.

This is what Revelations was all about.

God's gift to mankind was free will. Where there is no free will...

...Anti-Life.

Darkseid was unmaking the Old God's creation by disproving the concept for his divine spark (free will).

This stuff is always cyclical. From my page 1 post.

The ALE's whole is unimaginable. A word weapon capable of disproving the very concept of free will.

The concept of free will itself having been created by the Old God, and represents the divine spark in all sentient life.

EDIT: Further, the Spectre (the servant of the Old God) couldn't harm the ALE victims, they were no longer children of his God, but had become Darkseid's and remade in the evil god's image. Free will disproved/broken by the concept of Anti-life.

Originally posted by Allankles
No, you're trolling. First of all you assume that I haven't seen the scans, after providing nearly 9 pages worth of argumentation against the idea that they present empirical proof of your claims.

I ask where the evidence is of the ALE reconstructing the universe and you give panels of Spectre screaming, a bit of lightning, a couple of fire pits and Mokkari transferring the ALE through the internet.

Why did it come this far? There is no empirical proof per FC of the ALE reconstructing the universe: I'm sorry! If there were, I'd have provided proof from the FC issues I have.

I tried to explain to you that the unmaking involved Anti-Life dwelling where the divine spark used to. The ALE removes the Old God's imprint on life (which is the signature of creation) and replaces it with Darkseid's anti-life.

You can disagree with this assessment, but I'm basing this on the purpose given by the plot for the ALE. As I said many pages ago and since, there was no physical distortion of the universe by the ALE because it's area of effect is life, not space, matter and time. It is a concept killer, a word weapon with the capability of enslaving souls.

This is what Revelations was all about.

God's gift to mankind was free will. Where there is no free will...

[B]...Anti-Life.

Darkseid was unmaking the Old God's creation by disproving the concept for his divine spark (free will). [/B]

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Originally posted by Allankles

EDIT: Further, the Spectre (the servant of the Old God) couldn't harm the ALE victims, they were no longer children of his God, but had become Darkseid's and remade in the evil god's image. Free will disproved/broken by the concept of Anti-life.

Originally posted by Juntai
He couldn't judge them because they had commited no evil. Those who willfully took to Darkseid's ways, he punished in the end.

They had been stripped of their free will, thus his exotic powers couldn't work on them, although I think he could probably kill them.

Your arson-setting, imaginary retrofitted hellborer, purple prose fallacies are so logically weak, I sometimes fear that even taking the time to rebut them may inject some sort of quasi-validity into them. They're nothing but absolutely wrong. You ignore the plain presentation of story and art and cherry-pick what you'd like to acknowledge, twist them beyond all logic to fit into your interpretation using purple prose instead of the actual words and outright ignore the most simplest of statements and events.

ALE is used to unmake creation and rebuild the world. That doesn't mean enslave humanity by stripping free will. Why? Because CREATION IS SEPARATE FROM FREE WILL. It's outright stated that free will came AFTER creation:

Enslaving humanity is a necessary by-product of unmaking creation and rebuilding the world when you make all existence become as you. Enslaving humanity is not the end-result of making all existence become as you. This is stated by Grant Morrison who says that we've only seen facets of the barely imaginable whole that is the complete ALE. What are those facets? Mind-control and stripping free will. We've seen that before, therefore Grant Morrison tells us outright that such facets are not the final product of what the ALE is. Therefore, he is telling you that your theory that the ALE only strips free will is wrong and based on incorrect preconceptions:

Originally posted by Allankles
No, you're trolling. First of all you assume that I haven't seen the scans, after providing nearly 9 pages worth of argumentation against the idea that they present empirical proof of your claims.

I ask where the evidence is of the ALE reconstructing the universe and you give panels of Spectre screaming, a bit of lightning, a couple of fire pits and Mokkari transferring the ALE through the internet.

Why did it come this far? There is no empirical proof per FC of the ALE reconstructing the universe: I'm sorry! If there were, I'd have provided proof from the FC issues I have.

You acknowledge that the ALE also makes a normal human able to shoot Omega Finder beams out their eyes, such that they have literally become as Darkseid. Yet you try to pass that off as some side-effect of losing free will. That's completely illogical. We both know why the ALE allows them to shoot Omega Finder Beams, because the ALE literally made their existence as Darkseid. That's not a sideways purple prose function of them losing free will, that's a direct function of their existence literally becoming as Darkseid. And ALE causes that to happen:

The same exact way that existence itself began mirroring Darkseid's form throughout all of Final Crisis, even when Darkseid wasn't exerting his own power personally like he did when he had people shoot Omega Finder Beams:

When Mokkari releases the ALE over the Internet, "Time, Space... everything cracked." On-panel:

Cain commands Spectre to "Unmake Creation! Rebuild the world in Darkseid's name!" And as Spectre speaks the ALE, we see lightning crashing down, the seas churning and fires of destruction blowing up from the ground and in the seas. On-panel:

It's that damn simple. The ALE allowed Darkseid to do more than just enslave humanity by stripping free will. He literally subsumed their existence as him. And his agents, Mokkari and Cain, both utilized the ALE to affect physical changes and cause distortions to existence itself to reflect Darkseid's state: cracked, descending onto a singularity at its core, violent, evil, tumultuous and distorted. This is undeniably clear that it was not Darkseid's "imaginary personal power" because his agents do this when utilizing the ALE, not Darkseid. Nuff said.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

It's that damn simple. The ALE allowed Darkseid to do more than just enslave humanity by stripping free will. He literally subsumed their existence as him. And his agents, Mokkari and Cain, both utilized the ALE to affect physical changes and cause distortions to existence itself to reflect Darkseid's state: cracked, descending onto a singularity at its core, violent, evil, tumultuous and distorted. This is undeniably clear that it was not Darkseid's "imaginary personal power" because his agents do this when utilizing the ALE, not Darkseid. Nuff said.

I never related Arson to fire pits, if you noticed the ALE victims were indeed vandalizing buildings and causing arson. It's foolish to think that the formation of fire pits (which involve merely tampering with a planets core) constitues a reconstruction of the universe. You want to call it purple prose? Fine, just recognize that it doesn't provide empircal proof of a physical reconstruction.

My use of "retroffited" hellborer was to point out to you that spectre's energy could accomplish said feat, you don't need the equation that disproves free will for that.

You're spending your time writing essays most people wouldn't bother reading, instead of sticking to the gist of your argument.

Shooting the ALE out of his the slaves eyes is not a deviation of how the ALE has been potrayed in the past. The ALE allows DS to will anybody he controls, to act according to his wishes. This would extend to transferring the Omega Effect through any number of humans he wishes.

Lastly, I never said humanity is all that constitues creation, but I said all sentient life consitutes creation. The gift of free will represents the Old God's divine spark after he created life (creation).

By disproving the very concept of free will, Darkseid creates Anti-life, the concept of his idea of what sentient life constitues, the state of being without free will.

Anti-life is the absence of free will, the absence of the Old God's divine spark. This is per Revelations, don't feed people your misconceptions, the facts are in FC.

Morisson describes it as an equation that disproves the very concept of free will. Such an equation (weapon) is unimaginable by its nature, you can't possibly construct a full image of what something that destroys concepts is.

All the scans I've posted are on this thread. Your scans as well are there to be seen and there's not a single panel showing the ALE remaking the world let alone the universe.

EDIT: And please stop repeat posting scans we've already been through, that's the definition of trolling. You don't see me repeating all the scans I've posted after you refused to accept the word for word descriptions of the meaning of Anti-life.

Originally posted by Allankles
I never related Arson to fire pits, if you noticed the ALE victims were indeed vandalizing buildings and causing arson. It's foolish to think that the formation of fire pits (which involve merely tampering with a planets core) constitues a reconstruction of the universe. You want to call it purple prose? Fine, just recognize that it doesn't provide empircal proof of a physical reconstruction.

My use of "retroffited" hellborer was to point out to you that spectre's energy could accomplish said feat, you don't need the equation that disproves free will for that.

Spectre used the ALE. He used his own power only to fix what he wrought when he spoke the ALE. Don't try to equivocate now. Even kevdude recognizes that Spectre did not use the Spectreforce to wreak change, it was the spoken ALE that did that.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're spending your time writing essays most people wouldn't bother reading, instead of sticking to the gist of your argument.

Shooting the ALE out of his the slaves eyes is not a deviation of how the ALE has been potrayed in the past. The ALE allows DS to will anybody he controls, to act according to his wishes. This would extend to transferring the Omega Effect through any number of humans he wishes.

Stop equating removing free will to imbuing people with the power to shoot out Omega Finder Beams. This is absurd. the Omega Force is Darkseid's personal power. Humans can't use it. Humans don't use. the only time humans ever shot it out their eyes was when Darkseid literally subsumed their existence such that they became him.

Originally posted by Allankles
Lastly, I never said humanity is all that constitues creation, but I said all sentient life consitutes creation. The gift of free will represents the Old God's divine spark after he created life (creation).

By disproving the very concept of free will, Darkseid creates Anti-life, the concept of his idea of what sentient life constitues, the state of being without free will.

Originally posted by Allankles
Anti-life is the absence of free will, the absence of the Old God's divine spark. This is per Revelations, don't feed people your misconceptions, the facts are in FC.

Morisson describes it as an equation that disproves the very concept of free will. Such an equation (weapon) is unimaginable by its nature, you can't possibly construct a full image of what something that destroys concepts is.

All the scans I've posted are on this thread. Your scans as well are there to be seen and there's not a single panel showing the ALE remaking the world let alone the universe.

[B]EDIT: And please stop repeat posting scans we've already been through, that's the definition of trolling. You don't see me repeating all the scans I've posted after you refused to accept the word for word descriptions of the meaning of Anti-life. [/B]

I'm repeating the scans not for your benefit, because you obviously can't read them for what they are. I post them to highlight how ignorant you have to be when you see Cain command Spectre to rebuild the world by speaking the ALE, Spectre speaks the ALE, and the world starts getting distorted... and you actually expect people to believe that all he is doing is enslaving humanity and removing free will. And that either arsonists or imaginary retrofitted hellborers are responsible.

EXTRAORDINARY PHAIL.

Originally posted by Allankles
I never related Arson to fire pits, if you noticed the ALE victims were indeed vandalizing buildings and causing arson. It's foolish to think that the formation of fire pits (which involve merely tampering with a planets core) constitues a reconstruction of the universe. You want to call it purple prose? Fine, just recognize that it doesn't provide empircal proof of a physical reconstruction.

My use of "retroffited" hellborer was to point out to you that spectre's energy could accomplish said feat, you don't need the equation that disproves free will for that.

You're spending your time writing essays most people wouldn't bother reading, instead of sticking to the gist of your argument.

Shooting the ALE out of his the slaves eyes is not a deviation of how the ALE has been potrayed in the past. The ALE allows DS to will anybody he controls, to act according to his wishes. This would extend to transferring the Omega Effect through any number of humans he wishes.

Lastly, I never said humanity is all that constitues creation, but I said all sentient life consitutes creation. The gift of free will represents the Old God's divine spark after he created life (creation).

By disproving the very concept of free will, Darkseid creates Anti-life, the concept of his idea of what sentient life constitues, the state of being without free will.

Anti-life is the absence of free will, the absence of the Old God's divine spark. This is per Revelations, don't feed people your misconceptions, the facts are in FC.

Morisson describes it as an equation that disproves the very concept of free will. Such an equation (weapon) is unimaginable by its nature, you can't possibly construct a full image of what something that destroys concepts is.

All the scans I've posted are on this thread. Your scans as well are there to be seen and there's not a single panel showing the ALE remaking the world let alone the universe.

[B]EDIT: And please stop repeat posting scans we've already been through, that's the definition of trolling. You don't see me repeating all the scans I've posted after you refused to accept the word for word descriptions of the meaning of Anti-life. [/B]

I approve of this message, this whole FC debate needs to stop especially since we alread have direct confirmation from the damn writer lol.

^ Ok sock.

Too bad you ignore the totality of the evidence that proves the ALE can affect more than just free will. And you also ignore that half the evidence you rely on is nothing but purple prose, even from Darkseid's own mouth, as stated by Grant Morrison himself: in an interview with Newsarama:

NRAMA: Afterwards, Metron welcomes the Fifth World – the age of men as gods. Wasn’t the Fifth World Darkseid’s “World” and age?

GM: Sez Darkseid! Just as Hitler thought the future belonged to the Fuhrer and his glorious Thousand Year Reich, so does Darkseid overestimate his place in the Great Story.

Read the scans. You don't need purple prose or imaginary retrofitted hellborers for them to make sense. ALE is released, a sh1tstorm follows. On-panel.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Ok sock.

Try to stay objective in on topic plz, no need for hostility especially considering were just talking over comics.

^ Not being hostile. You're just a sock. Most people find that demeaning, it's just the objective truth. If I'm hostile to anything, it's self-serving purple prose logic that tries to justify ignoring clear presentation of story and art simply to raise up Darkseid's personal power when Grant Morrison already took the time to explain what ALE was on-panel and ended up admitting that Darkseid was full of hot air by the end. Please...

...

... sock. dur

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
DUDE. STOP. The fires blowing up all over the place is evidence that the world was being rebuilt to mirror Darkseid's existence. It's a physical alteration. That's what you asked for. You half-heartedly tried to explain it away by arsonists and then realized how speculative that was and resorted to imaginary retofitted hellborers. The appeal to the fantastic is not needed. When Cain commanded Spectre to speak the ALE, it started rebuilding the world. Lightning crashed down, the seas became tumultuous, fires of destruction began spouting up from land and sea, etc. That's it, your inane assertion that physically altering the world doesn't equal physical reconstruction is absurb trolling.

Many of the ALE victims were indeed causing buildings to be burnt down and vandalzing on a global scale. There's nothing wrong with using "retroffited hellborers" as a similie, unless you have problem with descriptive language. Fire pits do not constitute this imaginary reconstruction you wish took place. I don't care to go into the semantics again, but creation is/was life. Not the physical crusts of planets.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Spectre used the ALE. He used his own power only to fix what he wrought when he spoke the ALE. Don't try to equivocate now. Even kevdude recognizes that Spectre did not use the Spectreforce to wreak change, it was the spoken ALE that did that.
I'm spending time pandering to your inane posts that have clearly moved beyond trolling. It takes time and effort to point out how much phail is encompassed in your self-serving purple prose logic and ignorance of plain, on-panel evidence.

The spectre was undone by the spear of destiny, the power of his metaphysical form was being used quite literally to project the ALE. Much like the internet he was merely a vessel used to project Anti-life, except - unlike the internet - he can actually affect matter and energy. Hence the reason I described his power as functioning like a"retrofitted" hell borer. The spear of destiny is what undid him, the weapon described by Lilith that would be the instrument of the unmaking.

The anti-life equation has no power without the element of the spear of destiny and the hostless Spectre itself, otherwise Cain would simply have enslaved Spectre directly without the Spear.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Stop equating removing free will to imbuing people with the power to shoot out Omega Finder Beams. This is absurd. the Omega Force is Darkseid's personal power. Humans can't use it. Humans don't use. the only time humans ever shot it out their eyes was when Darkseid literally subsumed their existence such that they became him..

You're not making much of a point. This may be profound to you, but I don't see it being inconsistent with the ALE's function of disproving free will. Darkseid is housed within these beings because they have accepted Anti-life (which Darkseid has mastered). If they are all infected with a concept Darkseid has mastery over, then he can live within them as the concept has become a part of him. Anti-life was Darkseid, therefore Darkseid can be housed within them, their bodies had become his church. Geez this concept comes from christianity, you're really coming off as dense.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Sentient life does not constitute creation. Sentient life is characterized by the essence of free will, as you and kevdude have yourselves stated before. Free will is undeniably bestowed after creation. Therefore, sentient life cannot be creation.
The absence of free will is only one facet of the unimaginable whole that is the ALE. You ignored grant Morrison again by cherry-picking his very first two sentences and ignoring what comes in the very next few paragraphs. the facts are in Final Crisis because the ALE is described as not just disproving free will but "mathematically proving that Darkseid is master of all existence." ON-PANEL...

Life is not characterized by free will and life only becomes sentient through the concept of free will. Creation already exists (life) before free will is given as a gift, a gift of the divine spark the very imprint of the Creator God's image.

That statement means that the ALE as its been described barely scratches the surface of its nature. You can't characterize the entirety of an equation that disproves a concept. It is unimaginable by its very nature, that doesn't translate to having power over other concepts outside of free will. How about you understand the depth of the concept of free will before you make yourself look even sillier with your misconceptions.

And why would I need to cherrypick anything, when I'm calling things as they are?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm repeating the scans not for your benefit, because you obviously can't read them for what they are. I post them to highlight how ignorant you have to be when you see Cain command Spectre to rebuild the world by speaking the ALE, Spectre speaks the ALE, and the world starts getting distorted... and you actually expect people to believe that all he is doing is enslaving humanity and removing free will. And that either arsonists or imaginary retrofitted hellborers are responsible.

[b]EXTRAORDINARY PHAIL. [/B]

The onus was on you to prove this imaginary physical distortion and you failed many posts ago. Firepits don't require the ALE to be formed, do you know how silly you sound? This "imaginery" hellborer reference was me hinting to you that the Spectre's destructive energies can function for such a role.

You want people to beleive the ALE, whose every word and judgement involves disproving free will (just read out the aspects of the equation and everything is meant to break free will), is repsonsible for forming fire pits? Why didn't Mokkari's internet invasion do the same?

Morssion describes the Anti-life equation as the E=mc2 of despair, an equation whose purpose is to disprove the concept of free will, it's all there in Morrison words. The few aspects of the equation that function to provide us with content, don't serve to describe how unimaginably profound such an equation would be.

^ You're right, block of text sucks. So let's focus on some tidbits here:

Originally posted by Allankles
Fire pits do not constitute this imaginary reconstruction you wish took place.

Originally posted by Allankles
The anti-life equation has no power without the element of the spear of destiny and the hostless Spectre itself, otherwise Cain would simply have enslaved Spectre directly without the Spear.

Originally posted by Allankles
If they are all infected with a concept Darkseid has mastery over, then he can live within them as the concept has become a part of him. Anti-life was Darkseid, therefore Darkseid can be housed within them, their bodies had become his church. Geez this concept comes from christianity, you're really coming off as dense.

Originally posted by Allankles
Life is not characterized by free will and life only becomes sentient through the concept of free will. Creation already exists (life) before free will is given as a gift, a gift of the divine spark the very imprint of the Creator God's image.

^continued

Originally posted by Allankles
The onus was on you to prove this imaginary physical distortion and you failed many posts ago. Firepits don't require the ALE to be formed, do you know how silly you sound? This "imaginery" hellborer reference was me hinting to you that the Spectre's destructive energies can function for such a role.

Originally posted by Allankles
You want people to beleive the ALE, whose every word and judgement involves disproving free will (just read out the aspects of the equation and everything is meant to break free will), is repsonsible for forming fire pits? Why didn't Mokkari's internet invasion do the same?

Originally posted by Allankles
Morssion describes the Anti-life equation as the E=mc2 of despair, an equation whose purpose is to disprove the concept of free will, it's all there in Morrison words. The few aspects of the equation that function to provide us with content, don't serve to describe how unimaginably profound such an equation would be.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^continued
Firepits are physical distortions that occur when the ALE is spoken. Get lost with your ass-backwards statements about "firepits don't require the ALE to be formed." That doesn't even make sense. Everybody, including kevdude agrees that Spectre does not use the Spectreforce to affect the changes. He speaks the ALE. Even you agreed with this! Gawd.
And imaginary retrofitted hellborers makes more sense? Bwahahahaha. Mokkari releasing the ALE over the Internet cracked time and space, which is the first step to conforming all of existence to Darkseid's form. Not only does breaking the barriers of time and space allow all existence to bend to Darkseid's form, it also gives it the malleability to be subsumed into a singularity. After you crack time and space, the next step is to distort it to make it resemble Darkseid's form, i.e. an evil, distorted, tumultuous form. So what happens when Spectre speaks it to accelerate the unmaking of creation and the rebuilding of the world? The world conforms to an evil, distorted and tumultuous form. Get your head out of the ground and read Final Crisis.
False. That description describes the facets we've seen. Stop cherry-picking. As Morrison states within the pages of Final Crisis itself, the unimaginable whole of the complete ALE is mathematical proof of Darkseid's mastery over existence. Not just free will/sentient life. As supported on-panel by the ALE's effects over time, space, the physical world and humans. Nuff said.

All the ALE does is strip away free will and make someone DS, The Spectre who at the time served DS and the lightning was cause by him not the ALE.

Originally posted by kevdude
All the ALE does is strip away free will and make someone DS, The Spectre who at the time served DS and the lightning was cause by him not the ALE.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

False. That description describes the facets we've seen. Stop cherry-picking. As Morrison states within the pages of Final Crisis itself, the unimaginable whole of the complete ALE is mathematical proof of Darkseid's mastery over existence. Not just free will/sentient life. As supported on-panel by the ALE's effects over time, space, the physical world and humans. Nuff said.

Since - unlike you - I hate to rehash old arguments I'll tackle this part of your post, since you seem to want to pick and choose bits of statements as you please and ignore the overwhelming context that accompanies said snipets.

The ALE is an equation nothing more, a truth that proves Darkseid is Master, that he is the one God.

Now to the inanimate matter and energy that make up space in all the universe, this truth is irrelevant. Inanimate matter and energy cannot process this truth to be affected by it.

The ALE is important to Darkseid because he has always been consumed by life and the image of life. Only life can be affected by the ALE, only life can be convinced by the mathematical proof ingrained in the ALE.

This proof (like all proofs) can only be processed and perceived by sentient life.

To Morrison it is the E=mc2 of despair. What is despair to a rock or an inanimate object? The proof is only significant to sentient life.

As a an abstract weapon that attacks and disproves the very concept of free will, the contents of the equation of which we as humans/mortals perceive barely scratches the surface of the unimaginable depths that is the nature of such a thing.

It is abstract: something that breaks the very concept of free will, such a thing is unimaginable by the perceptions of the material world.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You do realize the ale didn't work on everyone.

Yes, the 3 people who was wired differently then everyone else you mean? Or do you mean the New Gods pattern that protects against it? 😉