Superboy Prime vs Darkseid (h2h)

Is it me or does it not matter? The ALE isn't some separate power source like the IG. It' spart of DS power set. IT's a permanant part of him. Period.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Is it me or does it not matter? The ALE isn't some separate power source like the IG. It' spart of DS power set. IT's a permanant part of him. Period.

True, it's knowledge.

Anti-life is Darkseid, his ultimate theory on the nature of existence.

Edited at Allankles' request.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Here, Spectre realizes compares how small humanity is, "In [b]the entirety of creation, in the multitude of universes, we are but small things."

You're trying to read that as meaning, "In humanity, in the multitude of universes, humanity is small in comparison." That doesn't make sense. At all. You cannot possibly read that sentence that way, the construction is illogical. Creation is not purple prose for humanity. Creation is creation. [/B]

Corrigan was comparing the significance of sentient as single beings vs the myriad other universes that made up creation. Stop adding words like "humanity" when Corrigan makes no mention of "humanity" in his statement.

Basically creation is made up of so many beings in so many universes that in comparison (Corrigan included) we are but small beings (taken as individuals or individual societies, not the whole of humanity in all the universes of the orrery, a view which would be patently against the Monitors high estimation of humanity as a whole).

You're making arguments before reading into the statements correctly. The ALE was meant to affect all sentient life in the multiverse, after all.

Creation was not unmade in a "physical" distortion. And Why is it that none of your scans prove anything?

I asked where the evidence was of the ALE unmaking the universe? All we see, is Anti-Life affecting sentient life on New Earth, the foundation stone of creation.

^ I already laid out the physical distortions occurring when Spectre speaks the ALE in my previous posts, pay attention:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Spectre affects the entire world: the rest of humanity is enslaved, the skies start raining lightning down, the seas begin churning, fires of destruction begin blowing up everywhere:

And again, The ALE is part of DS overall powerset. Who the hell cares how he can crunch time and space. He can. He's a beast and trying to seperate what he did on his own and from the ale is silly since the ALE is NOT some corny power up. It's just knowlege.

Originally posted by Allankles
Corrigan was comparing the significance of sentient as single beings vs the myriad other universes that made up creation. Stop adding words like "humanity" when Corrigan makes no mention of "humanity" in his statement.

Basically creation is made up of so many beings in so many universes that in comparison (Corrigan included) we are but small beings (taken as individuals or individual societies, not the whole of humanity in all the universes of the orrery, a view which would be patently against the Monitors high estimation of humanity as a whole).

You're making arguments before reading into the statements correctly. The ALE was meant to affect all sentient life in the multiverse, after all.

Creation was not unmade in a "physical" distortion. And Why is it that none of your scans prove anything?

I asked where the evidence was of the ALE unmaking the universe? All we see, is Anti-Life affecting sentient life on New Earth, the foundation stone of creation.

True, Earth was being turned into a new Apokolips by DS, as he nearly won. If the rest of the world calls creation alive beings (not planets lol) who would believe one person who negates the truth?? He would look like a idiot. 🤣.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I already laid out the physical distortions occurring when Spectre speaks the ALE in my previous posts, pay attention:
Your continuing, tactless ignorance of what occurs on-panel could be considered trolling. Your inability to argue with any of your Darkseid-cohorts about the points which you clearly agree they are just plain wrong on is just plain sad. Get it together guys. This is getting ridiculous. I don't post scans and lay out what happens in them only so you can pretend that they don't prove anything. This isn't debateable that when Spectre speaks the ALE, in addition to more people being enslaved; the skies start raining lightning down, the seas begin churning, fires of destruction begin blowing up everywhere. That's a physical distortion of the world and it's right there on-panel. Quit trolling. Seriously.

I don't see any universal distortion in those scans. I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just pointing out there's no physical distortion on account of the ALE.

The ALE victims are committing arson, vandilizing buildings and structures and basically destroying their world. Where is the evidence of this physical distortion as per Revelations?

You see a fire and suddenly the world is being physically remade? You, get real.

The lightning is there for dramatic effect, It doesn't do anything more than add content to the pages. The lightning is a manifestation of Spectres energy, it doesn't do anything except light up in the sky.

Again where is this physical distortion, odg? Prove up or shut up?

And the red sky is the result of DS sending the multiverse out of wack, the orrery of worlds breaching the Bleed itself. We get a clearer picture of this in FC 7.

Originally posted by kevdude
True, Earth was being turned into a new Apokolips by DS, as he nearly won. If the rest of the world calls creation alive beings (not planets lol) who would believe one person who negates the truth?? He would look like a idiot. 🤣.

Exactly. We see a couple of fire pits forming up, a sign that Earth is being slowly converted into the New Apokolips. We don't see any universal distortions or reconstructions in any panel during FC via the ALE.

You don't use the ALE to form fire pits, (a retrofitted hellborer will do nicely).

The universe is never remade in any physical way by the ALE.

Originally posted by Allankles
Darkseid is more powerful than Odin. And he got stopped by a theotoxin, plus the black racer. Superman merely loosened the grip of DS' lingering aura as teh Black racer forced him through the black hole at the centre of creation.

Ds>odin mabey a amped DS.

👇

Originally posted by Allankles

I don't see any universal distortion in those scans. I'm not ignoring anything, I'm just pointing out there's no physical distortion on account of the ALE.

The ALE victims are committing arson, vandilizing buildings and structures and basically destroying their world. Where is the evidence of this physical distortion as per Revelations?

Originally posted by Allankles
The lightning is there for dramatic effect, It doesn't do anything more than add content to the pages. The lightning is a manifestation of Spectres energy, it doesn't do anything except light up in the sky.

Again where is this physical distortion, odg? Prove up or shut up?

Originally posted by Allankles
Exactly. We see a couple of fire pits forming up, a sign that Earth is being slowly converted into the New Apokolips. We don't see any universal distortions or reconstructions in any panel during FC via the ALE.

You don't use the ALE to form fire pits, (a retrofitted hellborer will do nicely).

It's simple: Cain commands Spectre to unmake creation and rebuild the world. The very next panel you see ALE spreading, lightning crashing down, the seas churning, fire pillars blowing up spontaneously from the ground and even the water.

And what have you done with those simple pages? You try to pass off the term, "creation" as some purple prose for "humanity." Of course, you still didn't explain away the use of the phrase, "rebuild the world." What purple prose excuse are you going to come up for that? What's that really mean in your mind? Maybe, rebuild = enslave and world = humanity? Is that how that line of dialogue makes sense in your warped interpretations? None of the words mean what they actually mean? 🤨

Pfft. Never mind. It's not important. Because the worst thing you did was try to make excuses for everything else that you literally see on-panel. Lightning crashing down somehow is mere "dramatic effect." Oh, no. Wait, it's Spectre's power manifesting, even though we agreed he's speaking the ALE. Oops. Pillars of fire must be some arsonists runnign around lighting fires... yea... in the sea... Oh, wait. Never mind, there must be some retrofitted borer that we never see doing that. Seas churning- ... oh that's right, you haven't even begun equivocating around that. Let me guess... coincidental lunar gravity that changes the tides? Is that what that is? 😂

This is ridiculous. Nobody, but nobody with a lick of sense can honestly type up this crap and expect me to take it seriously. This would be outright hilarious if I didn't know how serious and desperate you were.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Pfft. Never mind. It's not important. Because the worst thing you did was try to make excuses for everything else that you literally see on-panel. Lightning crashing down somehow is mere "dramatic effect." Oh, no. Wait, it's Spectre's power manifesting, even though we agreed he's speaking the ALE. Oops. Pillars of fire must be some arsonists runnign around lighting fires... yea... in the sea... Oh, wait. Never mind, there must be some retrofitted borer that we never see doing that. Seas churning- ... oh that's right, you haven't even begun equivocating around that. Let me guess... coincidental lunar gravity that changes the tides? Is that what that is? 😂

This is ridiculous. Nobody, but nobody with a lick of sense can honestly type up this crap and expect me to take it seriously. This would be outright hilarious if I didn't know how serious and desperate you were.

If I was more serious I'd have stopped posting ages ago but seeing as I've wanted to entertain you, we're here.

I don't see how this argument has come down to desperation, seeing as there's no empirical evidence as per FC that the ALE effected any kind of physical distortions on a universal scale.

I just have to repeat this, because your posts seem to be increasing in their blather. Almost like you want to will your opinion to become reality. Face the facts, no physical remaking of the universe occurs on account of the ALE in any panel of FC. We've already studied the relevant scans, and found no evidence of any kind of physical reconstruction.

My mentioning firepits was me being diplomatic (since that is exactly what those eruptions are), fire pits on a single world (not a universal distortion). And fire pits are not a reconstruction seeing as they involve no more than tampering with a planets core. Hellborers served this purpose, any no. of powerful beings could replicate this i.e a "retrofitted" hellborer, do I have to spell everything out?

Lastly your failure to understand that the lightning serves no purpose other than dramatization, is mind boggling. The lightning is largely superficial, it doesn't do anything more than flash in the sky therefore it is irrelevant.

And yes it is a manifestation of the energy leaking out of the spectre. I'm not trying to explain away its presence, I'm merely pointing out that it doesn't serve to prove your claims, and would never have been mentioned if you were being sensible.

Originally posted by Allankles
If I was more serious I'd have stopped posting ages ago but seeing as I've wanted to entertain you, we're here.

[B]I don't see how this argument has come down to desperation, seeing as there's no empirical evidence as per FC that the ALE effected any kind of physical distortions on a universal scale.

I just have to repeat this, because your posts seem to be increasing in their blather. Almost like you want to will your opinion to become reality. Face the facts, no physical remaking of the universe occurs on account of the ALE in any panel of FC. We've already studied the relevant scans, and found no evidence of any kind of physical reconstruction.

My mentioning firepits was me being diplomatic (since that is exactly what those eruptions are), fire pits on a single world (not a universal distortion). And fire pits are not a reconstruction seeing as they involve no more than tampering with a planets core. Hellborers served this purpose, any no. of powerful beings could replicate this i.e a "retrofitted" hellborer, do I have to spell everything out?

Lastly your failure to understand that the lightning serves no purpose other than dramatization, is mind boggling. The lightning is largely superficial, it doesn't do anything more than flash in the sky therefore it is irrelevant.

And yes it is a manifestation of the energy leaking out of the spectre. I'm not trying to explain away its presence, I'm merely pointing out that it doesn't serve to prove your claims, and would never have been mentioned if you were being sensible. [/B]

👆 Its like he wants us to believe his interpretation other then what really is presented! That's all Onedumb does is repeat the same old same old and he can't get through that thick head of his. Its become rather humorous with him. 🙂

Originally posted by fangirl101
And again, The ALE is part of DS overall powerset. Who the hell cares how he can crunch time and space. He can. He's a beast and trying to seperate what he did on his own and from the ale is silly since the ALE is NOT some corny power up. It's just knowlege.

The point is it's not HIS own powers alone to use. Others can and have used the ALE before ON PANEL. Thus while he can and has used it and is the best at using it it's not part of his powerset per se. It's more like a powerup.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you not see the lightning crashing down, the seas churning like mad and the fires blowing up all over the place? How the hell are the fires blowing up from the ground and in the seas the effect of humans vandalizing and arson? Oh. Did you not notice that there are literally pillars of fire spewing all over the place and the water as well? Yeah. Arson. That makes so much more sense. 🙄
Dramatic effect? When did you become so ignorant? I provide you on-panel proof of physical distortion and you try to pass it off as dramatic effect? Oh... then you go and contradict yourself in the very next sentence and try to pass off the lightning as Spectre's "manifestation of power." Unfortunately, everybody already agrees that the only thing Spectre is doing is speaking the ALE. He is not using the Spectreforce to unmake creation and rebuild the world. He is speaking the ALE to do that. Get your facts straight. Stop equivocating around the obvious.
How in the hell did you just type that and not vomit all over yourself? You ask for physical distortions and I show you pillars of fire spewing everywhere. And then you go and make excuses that they must have been fires laid by arson... and now somehow they were made by retrofitted hellborers? Seriously, stop with the nonsense.

It's simple: Cain commands Spectre to unmake creation and rebuild the world. The very next panel you see ALE spreading, lightning crashing down, the seas churning, fire pillars blowing up spontaneously from the ground and even the water.

And what have you done with those simple pages? You try to pass off the term, "creation" as some purple prose for "humanity." Of course, you still didn't explain away the use of the phrase, "rebuild the world." What purple prose excuse are you going to come up for that? What's that really mean in your mind? Maybe, rebuild = enslave and world = humanity? Is that how that line of dialogue makes sense in your warped interpretations? None of the words mean what they actually mean? 🤨

Pfft. Never mind. It's not important. Because the worst thing you did was try to make excuses for everything else that you literally see on-panel. Lightning crashing down somehow is mere "dramatic effect." Oh, no. Wait, it's Spectre's power manifesting, even though we agreed he's speaking the ALE. Oops. Pillars of fire must be some arsonists runnign around lighting fires... yea... in the sea... Oh, wait. Never mind, there must be some retrofitted borer that we never see doing that. Seas churning- ... oh that's right, you haven't even begun equivocating around that. Let me guess... coincidental lunar gravity that changes the tides? Is that what that is? 😂

This is ridiculous. Nobody, but nobody with a lick of sense can honestly type up this crap and expect me to take it seriously. This would be outright hilarious if I didn't know how serious and desperate you were.

Prime easily

Originally posted by iceman24567
Prime easily

Of course Prime easily takes this. Why do you think we've been discussing what DS didn't do under his own power during FC 🙂

Prime does not, sorry. Rebuild the world is meant for the people (now DS) rebuilding everything for him and in his image. Note: signs begin put up everywhere "die for DS" "all is one in DS". Come on people I know its hard but its 9 pages of helping others, isn't that enough?? 😂 No where was the ALE rebuilding the world/universe. Fact!

This guy above me is right. wut dorkside didz wit his manipultin iz t0ta11y relevances 2 hiz h2h combtz.

Originally posted by kevdude
Prime does not, sorry. Rebuild the world is meant for the people (now DS) rebuilding everything for him and in his image. Note: signs begin put up everywhere "die for DS" "all is one in DS". Come on people I know its hard but its 9 pages of helping others, isn't that enough?? 😂 No where was the ALE rebuilding the world/universe. Fact!