What if the Empire invaded modern day earth?

Originally posted by Borbarad
You aren't talking about the missle that was launched from the orbit directed at the ground? The fun stuff about Nuclear Missles that would be fired on Earth to hit another spot on the Earth is that they would fly in a ballistic course and not straigth down from the orbit to the AT-ATs.

However, see below for an explanation of the implausibility of the idea that Vader is single-handedly going to be stopping nuclear weapons left and right.

And where did Yoda struggle with that thing?

But already [Yoda] could feel the missile, too, dropping in a red scream through the atmosphere, two hundred armored kilos of explosive aimed for Chateau Malreaux.

[...]

The missile was coming in with terrible speed and power: too much coming at Yoda too fast ever to wholly stop it, even if he had time and perfect peace.

I'd love to see your proof for a nuclear bomb being able to destroy durasteel. Pretty unlikely, if you ask me, considering that weapons with a higher total energy output with the energy being directed to one spot fail to do the job.

Not to mention that when starships crafted out of durasteel crash into things, they sort of crumple and explode. High speed impact > Nukes? Mace Windu punches holes through durasteel. Mace Windu's fists > Nukes?

I don't understand why I actually have to explain this to you, but real world science cannot be reasonably and effectively applied to SW tech given everything we see and deal with in both the movies and EU. It simply doesn't work.

They would at first spot a relative small army (compared to their own forces) and attack it via conventional means. Which might already be enough. I mean what: Vader looks at a TV, sees the President of the USA or Russia and force chockes him to death - or even better: He waves his hand, says "You won't use your military against us and will surrender while letting us assume control over your country", just to listen to his words being repeated by the force controlled puppet the leader has become. Think about Exar Kun dealing with the Republic's Chancellor.

And just to add to that last part, when Vader chocked Ozzel, Ozzel was on the same ship as he was, just on the Bridge, so they were only a bit more or less than a mile apart. Vader's never shown the ability to directly influence someone with the force over very much more than that, aside from Luke whom was his son and they shared a special bond anyways. Thus, choking Obama would be very difficult if not impossible.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
And just to add to that last part, when Vader chocked Ozzel, Ozzel was on the same ship as he was, just on the Bridge, so they were only a bit more or less than a mile apart. Vader's never shown the ability to directly influence someone with the force over very much more than that, aside from Luek whom was his son and they shared a special bond anyways. Thus, choking Obama would be very difficult.

And I forgot: if Yoda can't stop a 200 kilo missile, then what's up with the "Yoda can lift a mountain" thing?

Eh? Didn't know about that one. Which book did that happen in?

Ever played Galactic Battlegrounds? One of my first SW games.
Game mechanics aside, the events in the campaign are part of the continuity, but it's a 2001 RTS, so the depth of field isn't exactly the most accurate. Still though, Antes Beladar wasn't present when he was choked.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
And just to add to that last part, when Vader chocked Ozzel, Ozzel was on the same ship as he was, just on the Bridge, so they were only a bit more or less than a mile apart. Vader's never shown the ability to directly influence someone with the force over very much more than that, aside from Luke whom was his son and they shared a special bond anyways. Thus, choking Obama would be very difficult if not impossible.

Don't forget gripping Xizor, who was lightyears away from Vader.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Don't forget gripping Xizor, who was lightyears away from Vader.

Was he really? 😐

I could have sworn I had hallucinated that part... mmm

Well, **** it then.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He choked the Governor of Reytha despite him not being present. Though exactly how far away he was... *shrugs*

And I forgot: if Yoda can't stop a 200 kilo missile, then what's up with the "Yoda can lift a mountain" thing?

When did Yoda lift a mountain?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
When did Yoda lift a mountain?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I dunno. But I've heard it said here before, usually when discussing TK feats.

I believe it's in one of the old cw cartoons, which I haven't seen in a long time and I'm pretty sure it was like the mountain's peak or smaller.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Stardestroyer.net?

No. Try again. The fact that he himself has stated that his figures are only based on rough estimations based on rough observations, your entire argument is thrown out of whack. Canon statements please. Glentract math holds no relevence in this topic. And no, his supposed degrees in Physics and the like has absolutely no bearing on the fact that he's still just some random dude not even working for Lucas who is ultimately getting his estimates off of what he can visually see and hear in the movies. Thus, your source sucks, and I'm not trying to be a dick, or hostile or condescending, but that's just what's up man.

You don't have to try being a dick because you simply don't know what you're talkinga bout. Those figures are extremely generous estimations dirived from the interpretation of things shown on screen and the man is - canonically - absolutely right when it comes to his turbolaser commentaries (the energy output of the Executor he came up with happens to be cannon figure now which can be found in sourcebooks). Yeah...he must be completely wrong, despite the fact that every bit of evidence available supports his claims and despite the fact that LFL apparently ninjas some figures he had come up with. Despite of that, he somehow sucks as source...

@Faunus:

The fact that the US has access to nuclear weapons weighing between 5,000 and 18,000 kilograms (up to ninety times as much as the missile over Vjun) offsets much of the likely difference in speed, since a nuclear warhead-carrying ICBM can still impact at over 14,000 kilometers per hour. I don't want to go Glentract on you and get into a mathematical breakdown of SW though, so I'll leave it at that.

However, see below for an explanation of the implausibility of the idea that Vader is single-handedly going to be stopping nuclear weapons left and right.

Oh excuse me. How damn hard is it to change the direction of a weapon with a ballistic movement. Apparently you haven't got the point. The missle fired at Yoda was speed up in a straight line from the orbit down to the planets' surface with such speed that even Yoda could just move it's actual impact point a kilometre away from the original one. If you slightly alter the direction of a missle aimed at you in a ballistic fashion, the result can be more devastating. Notice how Yoda had problems with the speed of the thing and not with it's raw weight.

The inconsistency and general simplicity of the SWU sort of ruin your attempts at scientific analysis here. I could point out that your "near lightspeed" argument would also apply to handheld blaster weaponry. Packets of plasma supposedly moving near the speed of light would apparently (according to you) have kinetic energy output far beyond anything we could match or deal with. Yet Leia is grazed by a blaster bolt and gets nothing more than a negligible burn.Mace Windu has a "chunk" taken out of his leg by a blaster hit that apparently doesn't stop him from sprinting, fighting, and skydiving through half of Shatterpoint.

You could point that out, and then you would be called off by me for not paying attention. The hand-helt blaster rifles obviously don't generate projectiles moving with that kind of speed - this seems to be reserved for heavier guns.

Not to mention that when starships crafted out of durasteel crash into things, they sort of crumple and explode. High speed impact > Nukes? Mace Windu punches holes through durasteel. Mace Windu's fists > Nukes?

Urm. Crash into things? What "things" are you talking about? Ships constructed out of the same space age material? That with speed close to c? Yeah. That would be about right. And Mace is just capable of performing that feat due to his Shatterpoint ability. The man could also crush Corusca Gems by merely touching them. That doesn't mean that his fingers > 15 KG sledge-hammers.

I don't understand why I actually have to explain this to you, but real world science cannot be reasonably and effectively applied to SW tech given everything we see and deal with in both the movies and EU. It simply doesn't work.

This is great. You can take incidents from the movies or the EU and transport them into Reallife. Sorry. Those statements are apparently put there for a reason. You don't like it - not my problem. But I can make it more general. We're talking about a universe in which:

- Titanium is used as cheap and compareably weak material for the mass production of TIE Fighters for example.
- ship hulls are generally able to take sustained bombardment from energy weapons firing charged plasma at them
- miniature suns are used to power up capital ships, which turns modern day energy production into a joke (and they can contain and control them)
- metal in general takes enormous stress, heat, cold and so on, without much being done to the actual material.

Despite of that, you still think they are anywhere compareable to modern day military?...

Yeah... I really don't get how Vader is going to fend off (5000 kg+) nuclear bombs and knock all of them far enough off course that half a million infantry and a few hundred units of armor are completely unharmed by them,

How about reading and thinking before replying. Why would anybody bother to drop multiple nuclear bombs on a single army at a single location, huh? That limits the possible amounts of warheads Vader has to deflect to - one at any given time? Which was just an example of what Vader might be able to do. He has a freaking army of vehicles that could simply vaporize such a missle in air without problem.

If one of them is even going to be fired. I mean - what the hell. The threadstarter has defined that SW exists as franchise in the world that is about to be invaded. Just imagine your reaction if a freaking AT-AT stands in your garden. I'd say the ability of logical reasoning would escape you for quite some time, having the technological monstrosities of a fictional universe popping up in your country.

I'd say those people would have to cope with mass panic or with people try to see their "heroes" in action rather then bothering with thinking about a way to get rid of them in a military sense.

slaughter millions of soldiers,

By dropping the mentioned nuclear warhead right into them, in case that line of thought wasn't obvious.

and mind-control multiple world leaders without ever having any sort of contact with them or knowledge of their location, all at the same time, especially considering he's never once demonstrated the ability to do any of those individually.

Can it be that there was a reason for me mentioning a TV? That would give Vader contact, information about their political position and the ability to focus on them. Right. And again this was just some random example, I tossed into here without care because the entire thread simply sucks.

.....question: is biological warfare allowed in here?

because if we just send them some strain of disease that they don't have any immunization to that could kill them in a snap...

they'll be screwd. even vaer... *shrug*

*screwed and *vader

...darned typos

I would join the Empire with haste.

Vader's "jedi" mind trick probably won't work: I'm pretty sure (or at least I, and everyone else should hope) that most of the major leaders are at least somewhat strong willed.

And screw physics. You wanna count physics? OK then. From now on, this fight takes physics into account.

It has been proven (by common sense mostly) that you can't you "the force" to move objects. Vader's screwed.

PIS is not real in physics, so the stormtroopers really are that stupid.

The use of faster than light travel is (in current physics) impossible, as are lightsabers (Vader's more screwed).

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
that most of the major leaders are at least somewhat strong willed.

That's hilarious.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
That's hilarious.

Even if they weren't, physics prevents Vader from using "the force" so yeah Vader gets killed by a sniper. Then, one nuke comes and destroys the entire army (which Vader if he was alive couldn't prevent because "the force" isn't with him).

And ROFL at whoever said that durasteel is immune to nuclear weapons. If so, then the Juggernaut that can generate firepower on par with a nuke isn't as tough as it looks and won't be able to destroy even the simplest of vehicles. Heck it won't even be able to damage a building made of durasteel.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Even if they weren't, physics prevents Vader from using "the force" so yeah Vader gets killed by a sniper. Then, one nuke comes and destroys the entire army.

And ROFL at whoever said that durasteel is immune to nuclear weapons. If so, then the Juggernaut that can generate firepower on par with a nuke isn't as tough as it looks and won't be able to destroy even the simplest of vehicles. Heck it won't even be able to damage a building made of durasteel.

How is physics going to stop Vader? Because it's somehow going to work here whereas it doesn't in the Star Wars mythos?

Originally posted by Gideon
How is physics going to stop Vader? Because it's somehow going to work here whereas it doesn't in the Star Wars mythos?

Borbarad keeps on referencing physics so I guess (according to him) that is a credible source for this, right? So the force is obviously physically impossible. Heck, Vader is impossible; how to you get born wo/a father?? So the stormtroopers will be leaderless and then will get disorganized and will fight over control...