Quitting Smoking

Well, it's true. Nicotine is addictive, no doubt, but if the smoker uses the same amount of willpower they used in getting addicted to smoking* as quitting, they can do it. Those that try and fail, simply don't really want to quit, at the moment and time.

* Let us be completely honest here, the first time anyone smokes, it isn't pleasant; they don't enjoy it. They choke, cough and it taste horrible, yet they rough through it and continue to smoke until it becomes pleasurable and eventually an addict.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, it's true. Nicotine is addictive, no doubt, but if the smoker uses the same amount of willpower they used in getting addicted to smoking* as quitting, they can do it. Those that try and fail, simply don't really want to quit, at the moment and time.

* Let us be completely honest here, the first time anyone smokes, it isn't pleasant; they don't enjoy it. They choke, cough and it taste horrible, yet they rough through it and continue to smoke until it becomes pleasurable and eventually an addict.

I do not disgree with you. I wasn't even making fun of you. I was just pointing out that what your anecdotal evidence provided was almost verbatim from what others were trying to say...they just weren't trying hard enough.

And ditto on that last point. I never understood why people thought beer was delicious or a cig was great. In fairness to them...I have extremely sensitive taste and I can "stomach" or stand the smell of some things.

Originally posted by Robtard
I know many an ex-smoker and they've all quit after several failed attempts, ask them why they failed the previous times and why they succeeded on the last; they'll answer "because I really didn't want to quit those other times."

People also have to remember that addiction does vary in individuals. While it may have been extremely hard for you to give up, that doesn't mean it's always that hard for everyone.

Whenever I tell another ex smoker that I found it relatively easy to give up, they start quizzing me on how long I was smoking for, how many I smoked etc. Essentially trying to find a reason why it was easy for me and not for them.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
In those cases, most likely they quit for someone rather than themselves.

Negative, Ghostrider. They simply decided/realized that smoking was A) very bad for their health B) costly

Though I'm sure there are those that quit for that reason, doesn't really matter though, it's still a choice to be made and carried through.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Uhh...yes.

It's actually that simple. Why is that hard for you to grasp?

It's absolutely nothing like sex or masturbation, we're talking about addictions, nor urges. Though, like smoking, I suppose you have to have done it to know that.

Oh wait, no you don't.

-AC

you are being RIDICULOUS. its VERY NEARLY the same. as i suggested, ull get an idea of how an URGE translates to ADDICTION if you honestly, tried to stop masturbating and having sex at the same time! itll get harder and harder and harder, UNTIL you give in to either of those options for RELEIF. thats EXACTLY how quitting smoking is to a chain smoker! the only difference is that EVENTUALLY over months and months, it gets easier for a smoker, unlike abstaining from sex. now PLEASE, stop posting your ignorant, self righteous babble claiming "its their fault" . its very annoying.

Originally posted by Robtard
Negative, Ghostrider. They simply decided/realized that smoking was A) very bad for their health B) costly

Though I'm sure there are those that quit for that reason, doesn't really matter though, it's still a choice to be made and carried through.

Leonheartmm,

While I do agree nicotine is addicting, how is that addiction not the smokers fault?

As noted, no one enjoys smoking when they start, they have to literally willpower themselves through the unpleasantries until they begin to enjoy it and eventually become hooked on the nicotine (and other secret ingredients).

Originally posted by Robtard
Leonheartmm,

While I do agree nicotine is addicting, how is that addiction not the smokers fault?

As noted, no one enjoys smoking when they start, they have to literally willpower themselves through the unpleasantries until they begin to enjoy it and eventually become hooked on the nicotine (and other secret ingredients).

^many people start smoking because of peer pressure/depression/curiosity. in itself, those arent really blameworthy reasons to torture a smoker about the bad sideaffects of smoking. for me, the first was not giving an f at the time/curiosity{mostly curisoity}, and i started liking it at exactly my 3rd smoke, it was sumthing to pass the time. its not as hard to start as your making it sound. also, it is not just nicotine, it oral stuff, as well just a habit to pass the time, like chewing gum, one u usually dont think twice about before picking up a gum.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^many people start smoking because of peer pressure/depression/curiosity. in itself, those arent really blameworthy reasons to torture a smoker about the bad sideaffects of smoking. for me, the first was not giving an f at the time/curiosity{mostly curisoity}, and i started liking it at exactly my 3rd smoke, it was sumthing to pass the time. its not as hard to start as your making it sound. also, it is not just nicotine, it oral stuff, as well just a habit to pass the time, like chewing gum, one u usually dont think twice about before picking up a gum.

Okay, it's still a choice they made and carried through. Might be a harder choice to say no due to peer perssure; still a choice. Unless someone litterally forced you to smoke and become addicted, there's no way around it being a choice.

You said you enjoyed it by the third time; I bet you didn't enjoy it the first time, yet carried forth until you did. This is still a choice you made, just like not quitting is a choice you're making (if you still smoke).

Who's torturing smokers? Smoke all you want, just don't blow your unhealthy choice in my direction and respect non-smoking areas, tis all I ask.

^u have an unhealthy addiction with the word "CHOICE" robtard. there are such things as motivating factors, no1 had unconditional free will, and hence you cant hold every1 100% responsible for everything that happens to them for paths they pick from the bunch. i didnt HATE it the first time, it was interesting.

how old are you btw, cause ur honestly talking like a 12 year old goodie two shoes in the end there.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^u have an unhealthy addiction with the word "CHOICE" robtard. there are such things as motivating factors, no1 had unconditional free will, and hence you cant hold every1 100% responsible for everything that happens to them for paths they pick from the bunch. i didnt HATE it the first time, it was interesting.

how old are you btw, cause ur honestly talking like a 12 year old goodie two shoes in the end there.

Unless someone literally forced you to smoke, it's a choice, probably the easier choice to make at the time due to peer pressure or what have you, but still a choice you made. By denying this, all you're trying to do is divert the blame from your own [poor] choices, which is common when people don't want to face their own shortcomings.

I'm 35 (can be seen in profile), how am I talking like a "12 year old goodie two shoes", when I'm the one being logical and not blame shifting?

but we have already established that your interpretation and use of the word CHOICE, is your own addiction and is ofcourse, WRONG. you didnt have to go ahead and prove this with an example. ive already had this conversation with you, theres more than one type of choice and not all choices means you shoulder the blame for the outcome.

your talking like a 12 year old by telling people to keep to themselves in their lifestyles condescendingly.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
but we have already established that your interpretation and use of the word CHOICE, is your own addiction and is ofcourse, WRONG. you didnt have to go ahead and prove this with an example. ive already had this conversation with you, theres more than one type of choice and not all choices means you shoulder the blame for the outcome.

your talking like a 12 year old by telling people to keep to themselves in their lifestyles condescendingly.

Don't be a fool, my use of "choice" isn't my interpretation, in fact, it's the very definition of the word. Choice

No, there isn't more than one kind of choice, it either is a choice or it isn't. Granted, it may be the easier or better path to take in a certain given any scenario, but it's still a choice. You really need to own-up to the choices you've made for yourself and not blame-shift, that's rather juvenile.

What are you talking about there? I said smoking is a choice (unless you're literally forced to) and that people can smoke all they like, just don't bother me with blowing smoke in my face, how is that condescending?

So, Leonheart's ineptitude aside;

I was right. Let's all say it in unison.

-AC

"it in unison."

You know, it was actually pretty funny back in like 4th grade. When people said "Say something."

You could be like "something."

Originally posted by Robtard
Leonheartmm,

While I do agree nicotine is addicting, how is that addiction not the smokers fault?

As noted, no one enjoys smoking when they start, they have to literally willpower themselves through the unpleasantries until they begin to enjoy it and eventually become hooked on the nicotine (and other secret ingredients).

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't be a fool, my use of "choice" isn't my interpretation, in fact, it's the very definition of the word. Choice

No, there isn't more than one kind of choice, it either is a choice or it isn't. Granted, it may be the easier or better path to take in a certain given any scenario, but it's still a choice. You really need to own-up to the choices you've made for yourself and not blame-shift, that's rather juvenile.

What are you talking about there? I said smoking is a choice (unless you're literally forced to) and that people can smoke all they like, just don't bother me with blowing smoke in my face, how is that condescending?

im not a fool, hence my ability to see you presenting your VERY flawed oppinion as fact. obviously you havent researched choice in psychology, the problems of unconditional free will or false dichotomies and forced choice and the problems with associating responsibility to that type of choice. hence your weak attempt fails yet again. please give up this line of argumentation.

I find the very idea of hookah bars to be disgusting, and the fact that they are growing in popularity confuses me.

-AC