Originally posted by Original Smurph
I've argued that point before.B-Dub and I haven't decided the exact mechanics of the drafting process yet, but people who want to draft sketchy picks will have to get it past their peers and us.
B-Dub might veto Chuck outright though. Personally, I've always seen him as pretty borderline.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
The definition of this tournament is being in the same category as Ironman (w/Extremis). The characters do not need to be less powerful than Ironman himself, simply in the same power class. If there is a dispute as to how powerful a person is, both Smurph and I will make executive decisions regarding them. Now, I tend to rate Ironman higher than the average person, but then again I have more Ironman comics and know more about him than the average joe as well. I added Extremis because I want to include a higher level of power characters while still keeping it right below low herald.As far as Chuck, I see no reason to ban him. However, realize telepaths ARE limited via the rules. No controlling of opposite sides.
Also, I put one vote towards banning time manip, as does Charlotte I assume. Thoughts of others?
What are others thoughts on gaining experience throughout the tournament?
Originally posted by darthgoober
IMO Xavier warrants his spot as a low herald and shouldn't be allowed. From what I've heard the only thing stopping the the guy's telepathy from being able to affect the entire planet is electromagnetic interference from Magneto that was built up over years. Stick him on a neutral planet without the electromagnetic interference and the guy could probably one shot 95% of the people in the Low Herald and under categories with a mind blast.
Same goes for any top tier Marvel telepath. Jean (without tapping into Phoenix) and Emma Frost are in high meta tier. Are they THAT below Xavier (not to mention not being one trick pony- Xavier has only his TP to rely on).
So that's not that big of a case, in fact.
Originally posted by tjcoady
Is it too late to say I'm interested in entering the tourney? I've never done one before, and I'm sure I'd get destroyed, but I'd like to try one.
nah man, you have time. just state your intent...
also, i think xavier is just a notch above most Marvel TP's, so he's deserving of being at least (as smurph said) borderline.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Same goes for any top tier Marvel telepath. Jean (without tapping into Phoenix) and Emma Frost are in high meta tier. Are they THAT below Xavier (not to mention not being one trick pony- Xavier has only his TP to rely on).
So that's not that big of a case, in fact.
As for Xavier, for over 40 years he's been almost universally recognized as the most powerful mind on the planet. He may not be as versatile as some other psi's who also possess tk, but then again the Hulk isn't anywhere near as versatile as Ironman either.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Truth be told I'd vote against Jean as well. Isn't her primary mutant ability to house the Phoenix Force? Even if a version was picked that didn't happen to have the Phoenix force that mutant ability would still exist within her DNA which puts her over the cap. Just taking away the Phoenix Force is nothing more than a form of neutering that could likely easily be bypassed by a smart debater.As for Xavier, for over 40 years he's been almost universally recognized as the most powerful mind on the planet. He may not be as versatile as some other psi's who also possess tk, but then again the Hulk isn't anywhere near as versatile as Ironman either.
Soooooo ..... Xavier Smash!!
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Originally posted by darthgooberJean Grey is a legitimate character with plenty of phoenix-less appearances. Drafting a version of her that's not "ZOMG EAT THE SUNZ!!!" powerful doesn't mean that you're neutering, any more than drafting early versions of Cable, Spawn or Gambit.
Truth be told I'd vote against Jean as well. Isn't her primary mutant ability to house the Phoenix Force? Even if a version was picked that didn't happen to have the Phoenix force that mutant ability would still exist within her DNA which puts her over the cap. Just taking away the Phoenix Force is nothing more than a form of neutering that could likely easily be bypassed by a smart debater.
And I'd like to see anybody somehow legally obtain the Phoenix Force to "bypass" drafting Jean without it.
Just sayin'...
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Originally posted by tjcoady
Is it too late to say I'm interested in entering the tourney? I've never done one before, and I'm sure I'd get destroyed, but I'd like to try one.
Originally posted by Sin I AMNo, this is just extremely early tourney discussion. We'll still be accepting entrants for a while.
is it still too late 2 join?
Nice to see people giving tourneys a try. It's always more interesting when we get fresh ideas.
Originally posted by illadelph12
meanfox
That's terrifying.
Would it work in this tourney? PM me? Unless you want it hush hush for Delph's next tourney.
Meh, I doubt I'd use Jean if I entered this tourney anyway, so I'll PM you and keep it hush to own you all in Delph's Season 2 😈
It's not like it could be stopped anyway
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Originally posted by Original Smurph
Jean Grey is a legitimate character with plenty of phoenix-less appearances. Drafting a version of her that's not "ZOMG EAT THE SUNZ!!!" powerful doesn't mean that you're neutering, any more than drafting early versions of Cable, Spawn or Gambit.And I'd like to see anybody somehow legally obtain the Phoenix Force to "bypass" drafting Jean without it.
Just sayin'...
srug
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
After Delph's tourney I found out how to do precisely that =D
Told you. That's why neutering never works, there's almost ALWAYS a way to get them back up to "full power". If the Phoenix Force itself was completely barred from the tourney(as in, it's against the rules to bring Jean up to full power) that's one thing, but just making her START the tourney without it is nothing more than neutering IMO.