Whether it's PIS/Incorrect portrayal or not is irrelevant, it still happened, and it was in a crossover acknowledged by both companies. And since soemthing like this happened, I see no reason why something like what I described could aswell, be it PIS or not. The latter discussion is for another time because it would turn into a debate related to the subjects I already said have no place here (Superman vs Thor/Kyle sucks/How does JLA/Avengers fit with a certain company).
Why so defensive ?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the board incident was bill's fault, if he didn't knock surfer off of the board, he wouldn't have had the opening to cheap shot him with it. 😛and note the immediate follow up punch by the surfer minus the board.
since when did improvised battle tactic get such a bad rap? especially one surfer's used before.
Again, I'm not saying anything negative about what he did, it was a tacticle thing he did BUT it was something that basically took bill out of the fight immediately.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Whether it's PIS/Incorrect portrayal or not is irrelevant, it still happened, and it was in a crossover acknowledged by both companies. And since soemthing like this happened, I see no reason why something like what I described could aswell, be it PIS or not. The latter discussion is for another time because it would turn into a debate related to the subjects I already said have no place here (Superman vs Thor/Kyle sucks/How does JLA/Avengers fit with a certain company).Why so defensive ?
So with this statement you admit that ironman is>supes since he koed him with a blast.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Whether it's PIS/Incorrect portrayal or not is irrelevant, it still happened, and it was in a crossover acknowledged by both companies. And since soemthing like this happened, I see no reason why something like what I described could aswell, be it PIS or not. The latter discussion is for another time because it would turn into a debate related to the subjects I already said have no place here (Superman vs Thor/Kyle sucks/How does JLA/Avengers fit with a certain company).Why so defensive ?
Why so defensive? You don't expect to end up in a discussion when you make claims based on PIS portrayals? You claim that it's acknowledge by both companies, okay! That's great! That does not make any less PIS, and you fail to understand how PIS can be of relevance to Superman performing said feat? Well let's think for a second, about how we generally consider PIS. If the entire fight is PIS, then how can you use Superman's accomplishment as a feat? Answer, you cannot!
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Why so defensive? You don't expect to end up in a discussion when you make claims based on PIS portrayals? You claim that it's acknowledge by both companies, okay! That's great! That does not make any less PIS, and you fail to understand how PIS can be of relevance to Superman performing said feat? Well let's think for a second, about how we generally consider PIS. If the entire fight is PIS, then how can you use Superman's accomplishment as a feat? Answer, you cannot!
You really don't seem to grasp that whether it's PIS/Accurate portrayal or not is irrelevant, because it still happened, and thus what I said can also happen, which can aswell be deemed PIS or not. It's really not that hard.
Originally posted by carver9
I already told you about the blood splattering but bill didnt have the bruises
to make up for the showing of blood that surfer exploited on bill.I agree the board is part of surfers abilities BUT I just think of it as a
cop way out, especially by using it as a surprise attack. Answer this, when
did surfer start whipping bills a**, I'm pretty sure it happened when he
hit bill in the back of the head with that board, before that surfer didnt
even land a lick and bill got in two shots AND THEN deflected surfers blast.I agree, it was a smart tactic and I give surfer the nods in that battle because
he earned it but saying that he's superior to brb in any kind of way due to THAT
fight is just ludicris.You brought up about surfer shrugging off some of brb attacks, well, honestly
I think surfer is one of the most durable characters in mu and I dont doubt that
he could shrug off a couple of them but if it continued, he would have been
injured.we both have different opinions on the battle and we're seeing it from different
views, maybe they'll fight again (I'm pretty sure its going to happen) and we can
see what happens then.
This just gets more and more foolish with evry reply. Just because we dont explicitly see the "bruises" illustrated means that Bill was undamaged? SO the where did the blood come from? It just magically appeared? Or maybe the artist simply trying to decorate the page with pretty streaks of red? Seriously Carver try thinking before responding...........it really helps in debates. 🙂 Bruises and injuries are not explicitly drawn in many fights where blood is drawn. Especially when blunt force is the cause of the blood being drawn. Ur telling me that that somehow means that the fighter who was bloodied up was uninjured?.....................My God facepalm
How the hell is using an ability of urs a copout? Thats asinine reasoning. Further surfer using his board to catch BRB offguard is not a copout either. ITs called smart fighting. Yes surfer did gain the advantage after using his board, but that takes nothing away from his victory. He could perform the very same tactic in a forum fight. Moreover that still doesnt take away from tghe fact that surfers blows were shown to be more devastating the BRBs blows. That is a clear sign of superiority and ur nonsensical argument that the blood seen in the panel was irrelevant does not change that. The only thing that is ludicrous here is ur willfull disregard of on panel occurences.Surfer was able to take two attacks from an angry BRB out for revenge with no damage. BRB took one blow from surfer who was holding back and was bloodied up...................I know it must be difficult for u but try and put two and two together.
This really has less to do with opinions than it does denial and presumably eyesight. If uve actually read the fight comprehended the events and still formulated this laughable argument of urs in which bill was uninjured then u r definitely in denial. On the other hand if u have the comic (or have at least seen the scans) and somewhere within it actually "saw" bill uninjured then u are either hopelessly blind or u closed ur eyes while reading the entire comic and instead decided to imagine what was going on inside. If thats the case (and its seeming more and more likely),....................................its better we end this discussion here.
Originally posted by Philosophía
You really don't seem to grasp that whether it's PIS/Accurate portrayal or not is irrelevant, because it still happened, and thus what I said can also happen, which can aswell be deemed PIS or not. It's really not that hard.
Let's say that Superman is capable of catching Thor's hammer like that. It has absolutely NO bearing on him catching the Sufer's board for reasons I listed earlier-
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Let's say that Superman is capable of catching Thor's hammer like that. It has absolutely NO bearing on him catching the Sufer's board for reasons I listed earlier-
Whether Superman truly should/should not be capable of catching Thor's hammer like that is irrelevant, like I said. My point is that he had a very high showing against a character that is supposed to be in the same class and thus what I said about having another showing against a similar character (Surfer) in a similar comic wouldn't be that far fetched. Now arguing the details of the attack ("He should be exactly in the same position and react the same as Bill thus it wouldn't work!"😉 is a pointless discussion.
Originally posted by Naija boy
This just gets more and more foolish with evry reply. Just because we dont explicitly see the "bruises" illustrated means that Bill was undamaged? SO the where did the blood come from? It just magically appeared? Or maybe the artist simply trying to decorate the page with pretty streaks of red? Seriously Carver try thinking before responding...........it really helps in debates. 🙂 Bruises and injuries are not explicitly drawn in many fights where blood is drawn. Especially when blunt force is the cause of the blood being drawn. Ur telling me that that somehow means that the fighter who was bloodied up was uninjured?.....................My ttttttGod facepalmHow the hell is using an ability of urs a copout? Thats asinine reasoning. Further surfer using his board to catch BRB offguard is not a copout either. ITs called smart fighting. Yes surfer did gain the advantage after using his board, but that takes nothing away from his victory. He could perform the very same tactic in a forum fight. Moreover that still doesnt take away from tghe fact that surfers blows were shown to be more devastating the BRBs blows. That is a clear sign of superiority and ur nonsensical argument that the blood seen in the panel was irrelevant does not change that. The only thing that is ludicrous here is ur willfull disregard of on panel occurences.Surfer was able to take two attacks from an angry BRB out for revenge with no damage. BRB took one blow from surfer and was bloodied up...................I know it must be difficult for u but try and put two and two together.
This really has less to do with opinions than it does denial and presumably eyesight. If uve actually read the fight comprehended the events and still formulated this laughable argument of urs in which bill was uninjured then u r definitely in denial. On the other hand if u have the comic (or have at least seen the scans) and somewhere within it actually "saw" bill uninjured then u are either hopelessly blind or u closed ur eyes while reading the entire comic and instead decided to imagine what was going on inside. If thats the case (and its seeming more and more likely),....................................i really cant help u.
Where do I start. I honestly think the blood was splirting from his mouth
and like I told you before, Surfer is more durable than bill, of course his
damage soak would be better.
Like I also told you before, it was a smart tactic, a good tactic for surfer
to use his board and the board is a part of him BUT that fight doesnt show that
either of them is above the other, surfer just fought smarter. If bill
did a hammer toss and it ended up hitting surfer in the back of the head
during battle, I would be saying the same thing.
I'm not downing what happened, I'm just disagreeing with the fact that you
all are using that fight to put surfer above someone that he's equal to.
They will fight again and we'll have a better judgement on who's the better out
of the two but until then they're peers.
Niayja, I'm not disagreeing with you and I'm basically not agreeing with you
, I just want to see another fight between the two.
Originally posted by Naija boy
^whatever man, if u blieve that then good for u( at least the poll shows that most people dont believe that). id rather not go over the same things i made clear.
I agree, you did make it pretty clear and the way you're seeing it isnt what I'm debating against, I'm debating against the fact that you're thinking surfer is over beta when he's not.
Originally posted by carver9
Again, I'm not saying anything negative about what he did, it was a tacticle thing he did BUT it was something that basically took bill out of the fight immediately.
And what makes you think something like this wouldn't happen each and every time you let them fight in a forum fight? The ff. conditions will always be true granted we let them fight to the best of their abilities.
Surfer would most likely use the board to hit BRB from behind as energy blasts won't likely work against Bill.
The board would most likely be too fast to deflect/predict for BRB to avoid such an attack.
BRB would most likely be using his hammer to deflect Surfer's cosmic blasts every time, leaving him open to a board blitz.
Even when BRB manages to land the first few hits, Surfer would STILL shrug them off. And the minute Surfer lands his hits, BRB would still be downed by it.
I mean, in a forum fight setting, with this fight as a basis, SS WILL take it from Bill almost each and every time.
Originally posted by id369
I am one of those fans, that like to see guys duke it out until their KOed.
Here's something I copied of Wiki:
A knockout (also referred to as a K.O.) is a winning criterion in several full-contact combat sports, such as boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai, mixed martial arts, Karate and others sports involving striking. A knockout is usually awarded when one participant is unable to rise from the canvas within a specified period of time, typically because of fatigue, injury (serious or temporarily incapacitating, e.g. a bleeding cut above the eye can blind a fighter), loss of balance, or unconsciousness; that is, the person may literally be knocked out.
I think Bill unable to rise would qualify as a KO, at least in a contact sports sense.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
And what makes you think something like this wouldn't happen each and every time you let them fight in a forum fight? The ff. conditions will always be true granted we let them fight to the best of their abilities.Surfer would most likely use the board to hit BRB from behind as energy blasts won't likely work against Bill.
The board would most likely be too fast to deflect/predict for BRB to avoid such an attack.
BRB would most likely be using his hammer to deflect Surfer's cosmic blasts every time, leaving him open to a board blitz.
Even when BRB manages to land the first few hits, Surfer would STILL shrug them off. And the minute Surfer lands his hits, BRB would still be downed by it.
I mean, in a forum fight setting, with this fight as a basis, SS WILL take it from Bill almost each and every time.
Using you're tactic, surfer should win against EVERY top tier 10/10 and thats stupid.
Originally posted by carver9
Why're you saying especially against bill? 😕
Cuz SS will most likely use the board blitz against Thor/BRB cuz of the energy absorption factor. And as they most likely will use the hammer to protect themselves from a frontal energy attack, a board blitz from behind will also be more effective against them.