Griffin versus Nightcrawler.....

No not really. What do you not understand?

Kurt wasn't the one holding back the kill.

Stryker wanted to show mutants as a dangerous threat.

Stryker uses NC.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No not really. What do you not understand?

Kurt wasn't the one holding back the kill.

Stryker wanted to show mutants as a dangerous threat.

Stryker uses NC.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So it was all part of a master plan then? Stryker didnt wanna kill the president, he just wanted to scare him? He was sure NC wouldnt follow through by killing the president? He was sure NC wouldnt administer the killing blow?

NC on his own terms wouldn't kill the president which is why I said that wasn't him. You can tell none of that was him seeing as Kurt is a pacifist and a firm believer in Christianity. If that was him then he would've tried resisting and showing restraint to hurt. THis NC seemed bloodlusted and as you said savored the thought of the kill something NC would never do.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So it was all part of a master plan then? Stryker didnt wanna kill the president, he just wanted to scare him? He was sure NC wouldnt follow through by killing the president? He was sure NC wouldnt administer the killing blow?

Whats the difference anyway?

In my opinion, Stryker initially wanted a mutant to openly assasinate the President. But like I said before, it was just a means to acheive his endgame. Either way, he would've been granted authorization to seize the X-mansion. Indeed if the President was assasinated, a war against the mutants would've been accelerated much faster. But it wouldn't matter to Stryker because he planned to wipe them out with Cerebro anyway.

Possible Outcomes:

- President Assassinated:
* Authorization from VP
* Sieze X-mansion
* Get Cerebro Plans
* Kill all mutants

- White House Invaded, President Almost Assassinated:
* Authorization from the President
* Etc

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
NC on his own terms wouldn't kill the president which is why I said that wasn't him. You can tell none of that was him seeing as Kurt is a pacifist and a firm believer in Christianity. If that was him then he would've tried resisting and showing restraint to hurt. THis NC seemed bloodlusted and as you said savored the thought of the kill something NC would never do.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Then how much control did stryker have over NC, in your opinion?

Complete control? Nothing to show otherwise.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Then how much control did stryker have over NC, in your opinion?

Originally posted by Placidity
Complete control? Nothing to show otherwise.

Originally posted by Placidity
Complete control? Nothing to show otherwise.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hmm.......And Stryker decided it was best for NC to fight his way through the white house to the oval office, instead of having NC port there directly?

Once again so NC would be ID'd as a mutant and so he could prove how much of a threat mutants are. NC solo'd the entire secret service and easily had the president at his mercy. You're telling me that wouldn't some fear you?

Originally posted by Robtard

Legit answer: Because Stryker wanted to show the president just how deadly mutants are, where one mutant could not only get into the White House, but take out his entire security team while no one was the wiser to what they were facing until it was too late.

Reaching. That's all I am saying. All that mattered was the attempt itself. The same could have been accomplished if NC had ported directly to the oval office. Just as much fear would have been placed in the President, and mutants would have been ID'd just as much of a threat.

Um, I don't see it reaching at all. Theres been many replies to your question and I find all of them reasonable and very logical.

Originally posted by Placidity
Er, no.

1. It was obviously done to give visual orgasms.

2. It would have been pointless if the President's assassin was anonymous. The point was to show that a mutant had killed the President.

I edited.

Well, considering there's only 2-3 guards at a time in the oval office, I say taking out the entire security team of over 15 members, then having the president at your mercy shows more of a threat, then just porting in, knocking out 2 or 3 guys, then getting the president.

Stryker wanted to show the NATION how much of a threat mutants are. Agreed?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Stryker wanted to show the NATION how much of a threat mutants are. Agreed?

Most likely, though not his main objective.

He could have showed how dangerous mutants are if the President was killed or not killed.

Obviously, theres some credit to the hypothesis of sparing the President.

1. He's against mutants not humans. But he's not exactly the moral type, so killing the President wouldn't be a leap for him at all.

2. After that experience, the President would be more than willing to comply to Stryker's requests. If he had the President killed, he would have had to seek authorization from the VP, a lengthier process.

Hmm....OK. But what if NC had been killed by an agent? Would the same point have been driven home?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hmm....OK. But what if NC had been killed by an agent? Would the same point have been driven home?

I don't see why not.

The fact that a mutant so easily infiltrated the Whitehouse and was seconds away from killing the President really shows that no one is really safe.

Originally posted by Placidity
I don't see why not.

The fact that a mutant so easily infiltrated the Whitehouse and was seconds away from killing the President really shows that no one is really safe.

But, by having NC port into the oval office, that shows more raw power. I think if NC had ported right into the oval office, even MORE fear would have been instilled.

Yeah, the fact still remains that he got into the white house, and through the Secret Service. He was dangerous, and were it not for some agent who happened to have a good shot, pres would be dead.