Griffin versus Nightcrawler.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whatever Strykers plans were, it would have made far more sense to have NC jump right to the oval office.

Even if those plans included sending an assailant to try and kill the president while he wants the assailant to be identified as a mutant. That would've been a cool intro though really. NC just appears in the office and hesisitates even longer. If he just jumped in there and killed him then how would they know a mutant was the culprit?

Originally posted by Placidity
Actually no. NC left more of an impression of exactly how dangerous mutants can be.

And a response to your previous post. I believe Stryker would've wanted the President dead as it would've helped him initiate the war on mutants etc. However, that was just a means to his end game. In the end, he got what he wanted and his plan was to secure authorization to attack the Xavier Mansion, where he would gather what he needed to build his own Cerebro.

After rewatching that scene I don't believe he wanted the President dead. NC hesitated way too much to do so.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sorry dude, but that is BS. I am watching the vid right now, as I type. He poofs, a cloud of smoke appears where he was, and then there is a delay, then he reappears in a cloud of smoke. I see what you are getting at, why you are thinking what you are thinking, and here's why: When he is jumping all over the oval office, in the confined space, and the black clouds of smoke are everywhere, it is a bit hard to follow him. It appears that he is moving faster than he actually is. He is actually moving at the same speed as he is in the hallways outside the oval office, at a rate slower than Griffin.

And I still havent been given a legit answer as to why NC didnt just port directly to the oval office. If it had been Griffin, he'd have jumped right into the office with a bomb, BOOM, end of story. Why? Because he is a better jumper.

Hand to hand: Advantage NC

Weapons: Advantage Griffin

Jumping ability: Griffin by far

Oh, wtf. you see the cloud after he's already attacked and sent the guy flying or whatnot.

It's clear that he can tp, attack and tp again so fast that the human eye can tract it, it's why the fools didn't know whatthe **** they were trying to shoot.

Legit answer: Because Stryker wanted to show the president just how deadly mutants are, where one mutant could not only get into the White House, but take out his entire security team while no one was the wiser to what they were facing until it was too late.

Griffin doesn't have the better teleporting ability with the exception of distance. From a 'teleport and attack' standpoint, NC can do it without being seen.

Your problem when making threads RJ, you make them with a solid idea of who would win and you blindly ignore all evidence brought forward.

^QFT

Originally posted by Robtard

Legit answer: Because Stryker wanted to show the president just how deadly mutants are, where one mutant could not only get into the White House, but take out his entire security team while no one was the wiser to what they were facing until it was too late.

Correct. Nightcrawler was never meant to actually kill the President. Stryker just wanted him to be scared of how dangerous mutants can be so he could authorize Stryker to hunt them down.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Griffin's abilities to TP whereever he wants in the world (As long as he has seen it) More than makes up for NC's edge in agility and speed.

How in the hell does that help him? If he teleports to another country he'd have to take Kurt with him in order for the fight to continue. Teleporting to another country wouldn't help him squat.

Originally posted by Nighty101
[B]How in the hell does that help him? If he teleports to another country he'd have to take Kurt with him in order for the fight to continue. Teleporting to another country wouldn't help him squat. [/B]

Popping on over to Paris to enjoy a croissant and taking a small break from NC kicking his ass would be nice for him.

He comes back well rested...then get's his ass handed to him again.

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh, wtf. you see the cloud after he's already attacked and sent the guy flying or whatnot.

It's clear that he can tp, attack and tp again so fast that the human eye can tract it, it's why the fools didn't know whatthe **** they were trying to shoot.

Legit answer: Because Stryker wanted to show the president just how deadly mutants are, where one mutant could not only get into the White House, but take out his entire security team while no one was the wiser to what they were facing until it was too late.

Griffin doesn't have the better teleporting ability with the exception of distance. From a 'teleport and attack' standpoint, NC can do it without being seen.

Your problem when making threads RJ, you make them with a solid idea of who would win and you blindly ignore all evidence brought forward.

You serious? Dude, he POOFS away, the cloud of smoke is where he was, then he reappears in another cloud of smoke, and you can SEE him. I watch the vid and I see him every time. And the delay between jumps is quite evident. The whole oval office scene is slowed down, and thus is LOOKS as if he is moving faster than he really is. His actual speed is the same as it was in the hallways, which is slower than Griffin.

When Griffin JUMPS JUMPS JUMPS towards Roland, THAT is faster than one can follow. If Griffin wasn't moving faster than someone can track him, why did Roland just stand there? Why? Because Griffin was moving so fast Roland couldn't see him. His jumps are instantaneous. And oh yeah, if we are gonna judge feats here, does NC ever throw someone through a damn stone wall? NOPE.

And dude, you telling me that Stryker KNEW NC would hesitate, KNEW there would be a secret service agent left conscious to shoot him? Also, for anyone that implies NC "hesitated", bullshit. He is on top of the President, he is savoring the pending kill, then BAM he is shot. There was no hesitation, only a few seconds where he was savoring the moment.

Griffin didn't throw Roland through a wall, the reason he jumped so many times, was to build up momentum. The way Jumper teleports work can actually effect things, like when David jumped at the bully in the bank, it messed up the floor. Griffin jumped a bunch of times, built up momentum and force behind his punch, then hit Roland, think about it.

And it's not faster than one can follow, I followed it, and it wasn't slowed down at all.

Momentum, strength, whatever, the same result was achieved.

The NC oval office scene, it's very easy to be fooled. Why? There are clouds of smoke everywhere, it makes it LOOK as if he is in multiple places at once. Each one of those clouds took several seconds to dissipate.

The result is a moot point though, because unless he can pull that same stunt on Kurt, he won't have that type of strength. And Kurt flung a man several feet, while walking past him, with his tail.

I know, I was just saying. It'd take alot of luck for Griffin to catch Kurt like that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You serious? Dude, he POOFS away, the cloud of smoke is where he was, then he reappears in another cloud of smoke, and you can SEE him. I watch the vid and I see him every time. And the delay between jumps is quite evident. The whole oval office scene is slowed down, and thus is LOOKS as if he is moving faster than he really is. His actual speed is the same as it was in the hallways, which is slower than Griffin.

When Griffin JUMPS JUMPS JUMPS towards Roland, THAT is faster than one can follow. If Griffin wasn't moving faster than someone can track him, why did Roland just stand there? Why? Because Griffin was moving so fast Roland couldn't see him. His jumps are instantaneous. And oh yeah, if we are gonna judge feats here, does NC ever throw someone through a damn stone wall? NOPE.

And dude, you telling me that Stryker KNEW NC would hesitate, KNEW there would be a secret service agent left conscious to shoot him? Also, for anyone that implies NC "hesitated", bullshit. He is on top of the President, he is savoring the pending kill, then BAM he is shot. There was no hesitation, only a few seconds where he was savoring the moment.

He hesitated because Stryker wanted him to hesitate. He wanted him to do that. That wasn't Kurt acting on his own. That is a fact.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
He hesitated because Stryker wanted him to hesitate. He wanted him to do that. That wasn't Kurt acting on his own. That is a fact.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And if the agent hadnt been there to bust caps? What then?

Then I suppose he would've waited, or did the cliche I missed just to deliver a message that was on the knife or whatever. Fact is that Kurt's stalling/savoring of the kill wasn't him acting on his own at all. None of that moment was him.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Then I suppose he would've waited, or did the cliche I missed just to deliver a message that was on the knife or whatever. Fact is that Kurt's stalling/savoring of the kill wasn't him acting on his own at all. None of that moment was him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
That's a lot of if's, and's, but's and maybe's.

How so? You asked what would've happened so I told you things that could've happened. Unless you are saying that it is speculation that NC at the end was actiong on his own at that then you're wrong. He didn't kill him and he stalled so long because Stryker wanted to. NC didn't choose to do that.

But theres no way to know what might have happened if NC hadnt been shot.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But theres no way to know what might have happened if NC hadnt been shot.

Then why would you ask?

You missed it, didnt you.