Griffin versus Nightcrawler.....

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

And I still havent been given a legit answer as to why NC didnt just port directly to the oval office. If it had been Griffin, he'd have jumped right into the office with a bomb, BOOM, end of story. Why? Because he is a better jumper.

No, because they wanted to show NC kick ass at the start of the movie. That should be obvious.

I'll just say this. If NC was up against Roland and those fools, he wouldn't get tagged once even if those weapons could work on NC. Griffin was making a big deal of David's house having a MASSIVE group of 5 Paladin noobs. The paladins shoot those little chargy things that move so slow compared to bullets. NC on the other hand, took out all those agents that were shooting much faster objects at him.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I saw that answer, not a legit one.

Stryker is a tactician, he is a military man, surely he wanted the job done right, dont you agree? If he wanted the job done right, dont you think he would have had NC port directly to the oval office?

"infiltrate, kill, escape.............." I agree. What better way to do this than to port to the oval office directly? Why didnt NC do this? Oh yeah, cuz he CANT.

Er, no.

1. It was obviously done to give visual orgasms.

2. It would have been pointless if the President's assassin was anonymous. The point was to show that a mutant had killed the President.

You never posted a Griffin vid. No one did as far as I saw. And saying he couldn't port directly into the oval office, is like saying he couldn't port directly into the fake Cerebro room. But he did do that didn't he???

Originally posted by Placidity
No, because they wanted to show NC kick ass at the start of the movie. That should be obvious.

I'll just say this. If NC was up against Roland and those fools, he wouldn't get tagged once even if those weapons could work on NC. Griffin was making a big deal of David's house having a MASSIVE group of 5 Paladin noobs. The paladins shoot those little chargy things that move so slow compared to bullets. NC on the other hand, took out all those agents that were shooting much faster objects at him.

Originally posted by Placidity
Er, no.

1. It was obviously done to give visual orgasms.

2. It would have been pointless if the President's assassin was anonymous. The point was to show that a mutant had killed the President.

Originally posted by KingD19
You never posted a Griffin vid. No one did as far as I saw. And saying he couldn't port directly into the oval office, is like saying he couldn't port directly into the fake Cerebro room. But he did do that didn't he???

My point is that Griffin never had such a weakness, that NC just had gotten over it, that Griffin therefore is more experienced.

He never had such a weakness? Where was it stated the Jumpers could actively port places they'd never been to or seen before? When kids do their 1st port, it's to a place they've seen before. I guarantee you if Griffin tried to jump into the oval office without seeing it, he would have the same 50/50 chance as Nightcrawler the 1st time he did. He would either end up inside something, or be okay.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Dude, there are other ways to claim responsibility for an assassination, much easier ways, ways that Stryker, intelligent as he is, would know of.

There are other ways, sure. But you didn't really make a point. Saying he could have used a bomb or this or that doesn't prove anything.

Stryker did it his way and it worked.

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Again, back to my previous point. If it was NC facing Roland and his pals, he would've pwned them in 10 seconds flat.

- Paladins use stupid electric charge shooters which are slow.
- Jumpers always get shot by these slow projectiles
- NC gets shot at by waaay more people at the same time with real bullets, yet he never gets shot.

Originally posted by KingD19
He never had such a weakness? Where was it stated the Jumpers could actively port places they'd never been to or seen before? When kids do their 1st port, it's to a place they've seen before. I guarantee you if Griffin tried to jump into the oval office without seeing it, he would have the same 50/50 chance as Nightcrawler the 1st time he did. He would either end up inside something, or be okay.

What happens to griffin if he tries to teleport when NC has him in that smoke that he pulled th secret service agent into?

Originally posted by Placidity
There are other ways, sure. But you didn't really make a point. Saying he could have used a bomb or this or that doesn't prove anything.

Stryker did it his way and it worked.

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Again, back to my previous point. If it was NC facing Roland and his pals, he would've pwned them in 10 seconds flat.

- Paladins use stupid electric charge shooters which are slow.
- Jumpers always get shot by these slow projectiles
- NC gets shot at by waaay more people at the same time with real bullets, yet he never gets shot.

Griffin is never HIT by those electrical charges, remember? He avoids them at ease.

I never questioned NC's agility.

He just teleports Chaos, Kurt's smoke is just part of the atmosphere of the dimension he travels through coming back with him. Like you you smoke a lot in a car with the windows up, then open the doors. The smoke goes from the car, to outside. Kurt's smoke comes from his dimension, to ours.

And Striker's plan was to have a readily recognizable, and dangerous mutant assassinate, or at least attempt to assassinate the president. He also wanted him to be seen, that way, he is guaranteed a job(hunting and killing mutants), and he gets the whole world on his side about hating mutants without having to lift a finger.

Originally posted by KingD19
He just teleports Chaos, Kurt's smoke is just part of the atmosphere of the dimension he travels through coming back with him. Like you you smoke a lot in a car with the windows up, then open the doors. The smoke goes from the car, to outside. Kurt's smoke comes from his dimension, to ours.

Originally posted by KingD19
He just teleports Chaos, Kurt's smoke is just part of the atmosphere of the dimension he travels through coming back with him. Like you you smoke a lot in a car with the windows up, then open the doors. The smoke goes from the car, to outside. Kurt's smoke comes from his dimension, to ours.

And Striker's plan was to have a readily recognizable, and dangerous mutant assassinate, or at least attempt to assassinate the president. He also wanted him to be seen, that way, he is guaranteed a job(hunting and killing mutants), and he gets the whole world on his side about hating mutants without having to lift a finger.

Pretty much especially on Stryker's plans. He hates mutants so why would he not want to make mutants look more like the enemy? What would he gain by JUST assassinating the president with an unknown assailant?

Originally posted by KingD19
He just teleports Chaos, Kurt's smoke is just part of the atmosphere of the dimension he travels through coming back with him. Like you you smoke a lot in a car with the windows up, then open the doors. The smoke goes from the car, to outside. Kurt's smoke comes from his dimension, to ours.

And Striker's plan was to have a readily recognizable, and dangerous mutant assassinate, or at least attempt to assassinate the president. He also wanted him to be seen, that way, he is guaranteed a job(hunting and killing mutants), and he gets the whole world on his side about hating mutants without having to lift a finger.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Did Stryker or did he not want the president dead?

Didn't matter as long as a mutant was blamed for trying or succeeding. I'm sure it would've had a bigger effect if he did kill him but that would've just been an added bonus for his campaign against mutants.

Well he Did hesitate there at the end so we could surmise that striker wanted the Pres to live.... Maybe he likes the President. He could've wanted him to just leave a guy injured but concious so he could kill him before he finished. I'm just sayin its possible. They never say for sure which he wanted more.

HE hesitated a whole bunch, so yeah I suppose it is safe to say he didn't want him dead. If Stryker wanted him dead then NC would've done it with the quickness. NC is naturally a nonviolent person so there is no way that his hesitation was at all a part of his own doing.

Whatever Strykers plans were, it would have made far more sense to have NC jump right to the oval office.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Whatever Strykers plans were, it would have made far more sense to have NC jump right to the oval office.

Actually no. NC left more of an impression of exactly how dangerous mutants can be.

And a response to your previous post. I believe Stryker would've wanted the President dead as it would've helped him initiate the war on mutants etc. However, that was just a means to his end game. In the end, he got what he wanted and his plan was to secure authorization to attack the Xavier Mansion, where he would gather what he needed to build his own Cerebro.

Might rent jumper again, wasnt as bad as all that