Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He said "Villians such as the brotherhood and the death eaters." It is quite clear. And since Deadpool was neither, he is not in this fight.
You were saying?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Since you're here is Deadpool an available mutant for this fight?
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Yes. And the fight takes place at Hogwarts.
Originally posted by PlacidityDon't you think that the wizards will know about DP, and target her immediately? Especially Voldemort and the death eaters?
Whoopdedoo, it wasn't exactly a "millisecond", I don't see your point. The scene where she disintegrates everyone was also shown in slow motion.
Question: f DP was "destroying the entire field in a millisecond", then how did Beast survive? Kitty? Iceman and Magneto? Hmm? She has to TARGET her victims. In the end battle, she eyes a line of soldiers, then a couple of seconds later they are wasted. Sure, she wastes a few wizards MAYBE, but it is only a matter of time before she is caught by a death spell.
Another option? Throw Dementors at her, let her waste hundreds of Dementors, then death spell her ass.
Yet so far from Xavier's level. So please don't put forth this crap that Xavier needs telepathic protection from them. [/b]That's a matter of opinion. Xavier is shown mind raping humans, with the exception of Toad and sabretooth, who have zero telepathy skills. He is never shown mind raping someone of Voldemorts strength, someone who knows OCCLUMENCY.
I guess you don't understand what intangibility means. Whats this shit you keep talking about "fightning prowness", she doesn't need any cause she is intangible. All she needs to do is pull them into the ground.And all the wizards need do is apparate a few feet away and death spell her ass.
Sure he can. So whats this? The three big boys will be focusing on Xavier while simultaneously take on DP and everyone else?Nah, Voldy will be more than a match for Xavier. DP would fall to a death spell from a death eater.
Storm could be so far up in the sky you couldn't even see her. And you just admitted they don't have that long range attacks. No one is going to control DP, not when Xavier got pwned trying.And how far in th sky is Storm shown in the movies? And she will be surrounded by Dementors, mind you. Dementors will pwn her ass.
They can't sense shit. DP's telepathy rivals Xavier. Xavier could hardly get into her mind as Jean Grey.Irrelevant, because she will be targeted immediately and killed. If you were in command of the wizards, and knew of DP's abilities, wouldnt you tell your wizards to kill her right away?
The only one twisting anything is you.Hardly. Funny thing is that I am a huge X Men fan, and a soso HP fan. Its just that I, unlike most others, will admit when my fave combatant is outclassed.
Arguments Supporting Mutants yet to have a decent counter:Avada Kedavra takes less than a second to cast, and DP cannot block it. All that is needed is for a death eater to watch her, and when the battle starts, she is killed right away. I Don't see why this is so hard to understand.DP Disintegration: Faster than anything wizards can summon. Her telekinesis is powered by thought. Wizards on the other hand need to say words and point their stick. Trying to argue that wizards can pull off the attack first just defies logic.
Storm: Summons thunder storms and Cyclones. She remains high in the skies beyond the reach of the wizards spells. While casting multiple bolts of lightning that is sure to fry anyone on the recieving end. Meanwhile everyone is getting sucked into cyclones. Flying or teleporting to Storm won't do shit cause they would get sucked in by the cyclone.Shit, I should add in hail storms and freezing temperatures.Dementors, dude, Dementors. With Dementors surrounding her, she is useless.
Shadowcat: Intangibility - can't be targeted AT ALL, while she can pull the wizards into the ground one by one. There is no counter.Again, apparate away, death spell. Simple.
Xavier: Mind rapes almost all of the wizards,assuming the big boys can resist him. He can do this from a mile away, in his comfy chair.And yet again, Voldemort apparates behind him and death spells him, and apparates back before the mutants know what hit them.
Nightcrawler, Deadpool, Callisto and Quicksilver: Way too fast to be targeted, they would almost be unstoppable as they rape the wizards one by one.Deadpool would be a problem, I admit. But sooner or later he will give his position away and be killed. Telepathy is a wonderful thing. Deadpool surely thinks about where he is gonna TP to, all it takes is one wizard realizing his intent and being ready for him when he appears where he previously planned to be.
Callisto, I already explained how she would go down.
Is quicksilver shown in the movies? Havent seen origins, sorry.
Cyclops,Pyro,Iceman, Magneto and many others can all attack from a distance, again beyond the reach of spells. All of them can do massive area of effect damage.Iceman and Pyro are shown attacking from how far in the movies? From what I remember, it is never more than twenty feet or so.
Magneto, well, the wizards would know his abilities, and target him right away. Apparate behind him, death spell, easy cheesy.
You gotta remember that the fight is in Hogwarts, and that the wizards can take the fight to the forbidden forest (centaurs, giant spiders and shit). Not to mention the mutants will have no idea about the hidden passageways inside Hogwarts. Not to mention the forbidden corridor.
Also, how are the mutants gonna FIND Hogwarts? One must have magical powers to even see it, man.
Originally posted by NephthysAgain, I never saw her wiping out EVERYONE in a millisecond. The entire scene took minutes, and there were several mutants running around untouched. DP has to TARGET her victims, no way in hell she targets ALL wizards and wastes them ALL before they can get a death spell at her.
😆 Did you even watch X3? At they end she does just that. And it takes her a milliscond to attack (or at least the speed of thought) not for the effects to take place, as we saw in X3. Even if they could tag her (they can't, she could literally rip the walls apart to block their spells) they're already half disintergrated before they fire off the spell and gone by the time it hits.
And let her rip the walls apart to block their spells. Hermione and Umbridge will blow the walls to shit and give the wizards a clean shot at DP.
Jesus, what a fan-frickin'-tastic argument. None of their feats even get close to Xaviers, he'd pimp them all.Really now? The three of them, their combined might, is no match for Xavier? Reality check, dude. Xavier mind rapes humans, with the exception of Toad and sabretooth.
She can go through the floor.Again, apparate away and death spell. Bye bye Kitty.She dragged Juggernaut into the ground. That would take care of any wizard.
Correction: A target no-one can hit. One that can hit back.Mhm, cua the wizards are gonan just sit there playing qith their wands and LET her do this. Get a grip, man. And IF she drags a wizard into the ground, so what? Apparate out of the ground and back on to solid ground.
Next question?
You seem to be under the impression that this fight takes place in an open field. It takes place in Hogwarts so y'know corridors and stuff. By the time they find either DP or Xavier they're annihilated. And how are they going to 'sense her intent'? DP has better telepathy that Xavier, even if Xavier can't take all 3 out (he can) DP will and both would seriously stomp them to shit. That also puts your theory of the Imperius curse to bed, as it only works on the weak-minded (lol) and DP is not weakminded considering shes mentally bitchslapped Xavier before.Imperius only works on the weak minded? Is this said in the movies? Cuz you know Viktor Krum was like the best student at his school, not exactly a weak minded person.
😆 😆 😆 Does using a knife need a feat now, becuase y'know its so damn complicated that not just anyone can do it. They're in a school,with a kitchen, with suits of armour and swords everywhere, with windows for some broken glass, so yeah, she can get armed pretty easily.Point is she is never shown using a knife, so for all we know, she sucks ass with one. Screen feats and facts only please.
This fight is for wizards only. And even if they're allowed (they're not) they live in Azkaban, it would take them hours to reach Hogwarts.Exactly, wizards only, and all the powers that a wizard can employ. One of Umbridges powers is that since she works for the ministry, she can summon the dementors. And dude, the dementors will be there at the start of the battle, NOT at Azkaban. Nice try though.
And Lupin. The Werewolf. Will the mutants have a supply of silver weapons to take him down?
I know that these aren't canon for either series, nor are they even movies, but they are the best pieces of fanfiction I ever read.
http://www.fictionalley.org/authors/argonaut57/
And the mutants pwn the wizards almost every time. lol
Mutants win this in a stomp. A majority of the wizards from Hogwarts are young and inexperienced, and know little to nothing in terms of offensive magic. The more experienced students, and the staff, while certainly more experienced, would (with the exception of Snape) be unable or unwilling to perform the Unforgivable Curses, which severely limits their potential. The Death Eaters would be the main source of attack, and only numbering in the double digits, the mutants would lose maybe a quarter of their forces before the wizards are put down for good.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Mutants win this in a stomp. A majority of the wizards from Hogwarts are young and inexperienced, and know little to nothing in terms of offensive magic. The more experienced students, and the staff, while certainly more experienced, would (with the exception of Snape) be unable or unwilling to perform the Unforgivable Curses, which severely limits their potential. The Death Eaters would be the main source of attack, and only numbering in the double digits, the mutants would lose maybe a quarter of their forces before the wizards are put down for good.
Originally posted by omgchos
We established yesterday that whether or not they are willing to use unforgivable curses is irrelevant. The fact that they can is enough. If everyone was in character we would have to say that most x-men, especially xavier would not be willing to kill. And the villains/heroes from both x-men and HP wouldn't work together. So for the sake of a battle to the death, everyone can and will do anything to win.
Okay, so blood lust is on full. Fair enough. The inexperienced masses will still get slaughtered, though, which makes this really a matchup between the senior students, staff, and the Death Eaters. A significantly smaller portion to battle against.
Hey Rouge, you do realize that the only reason that didn't kill Juggernaut was because he was the Juggernaut? If you phase a normal person into a solid object, and then let them turn solid, they will die a quite painful death.
Hey Rogue, if we only use screen feats, then the wizards can only use spells they showed on screen. Since you know, screen feats only.
And how exactly would the wizards know Magneto's and the other's powers?
And he never said that the fight could leave Hogwarts?
Oh, and he said villains, Dementor's don't count as villains, they're prison guards who are a bit overzealous in their duties, but they're not evil. So they can't be used.
And Lupin, the werewolf, is going to get skewered by Wolverine, beaten to death by either Colossus or Juggernaut, burned alive by Pyro, frozen to death by Iceman, you get were I'm going with this?
And if the fight is at Hogwarts, then obviously they know where it is.
Originally posted by KingD19Mhm. But the death spell literally ends your life, no matter how strong you are.
Hey Rouge, you do realize that the only reason that didn't kill Juggernaut was because he was the Juggernaut? If you phase a normal person into a solid object, and then let them turn solid, they will die a quite painful death.
Hey Rogue, if we only use screen feats, then the wizards can only use spells they showed on screen. Since you know, screen feats only.I am sticking to that rule, all spells I have listed are in the movies.
And how exactly would the wizards know Magneto's and the other's powers?I talked to Will about this, he said they have basic knowledge of each other.
And he never said that the fight could leave Hogwarts?Hogwarts is the battle ground, that means the fight starts and ends there, unless Will says otherwise.
Oh, and he said villains, Dementor's don't count as villains, they're prison guards who are a bit overzealous in their duties, but they're not evil. So they can't be used.Again, Will gave me the OK to use dementors.
And Lupin, the werewolf, is going to get skewered by Wolverine, beaten to death by either Colossus or Juggernaut, burned alive by Pyro, frozen to death by Iceman, you get were I'm going with this?Just saying, werewolves have been known to regen. But that werewolf seemed weak, nevermind.
And if the fight is at Hogwarts, then obviously they know where it is.I was just effing around with that haermm
Originally posted by KingD19Um, yes, a wizard would be able to apparate out of the ground, why do you say they cant? Phasing and teleporting are two different things, man.
I meant about phasing them into the ground, you can't apparate out of that, which is why Nightcrawler was afraid of reappearing inside a wall, it would kill him. Just like if any wizard, including Dumbledore or Moldy Butt got phased into a wall, they would die.
Indeed they are, teleporting is using a different medium to move through space, then reappearing in a different space. Phasing is making your molecules intangible, then moving through solid objects. But you honestly don't think, if I phased you into the wall, or the ground, then made you solid, you wouldn't die? I mean, it's not like you've got metal or rock inside your body.
Originally posted by KingD19Kitty is never shown using this technique, what makes you think she can even do it? Think about it. If she decides to phase a wizard into a wall, she will have to appear inside the wall too, wouldnt that kill her too?
Indeed they are, teleporting is using a different medium to move through space, then reappearing in a different space. Phasing is making your molecules intangible, then moving through solid objects. But you honestly don't think, if I phased you into the wall, or the ground, then made you solid, you wouldn't die? I mean, it's not like you've got metal or rock inside your body.