Originally posted by EnyalusThis is correct. It changes depending on what the vs. thread is about.
Apparently they're the same being when they suit a pro-DC argument and not the same being when they hurt one.I argued for them being the same being and was told by multiple people, with evidence, why they were not.
Originally posted by kevdude
Never seen it hurt one, never seen any evidence to they weren't, we know what The Voice is and The Source seems to be related to God as well (or is him).
But, Yahweh is not The Presence. Yahweh has nothing to do with Vertigo or the DCU anymore, while The Presence is still very much in the picture until Morrison decides to **** that up, too.
Originally posted by EnyalusNot really true The presence has also shown that he isn't all powerful. As far as comic god's they have both been hinted to have flaws like possible death.
The Presence is. Yahweh admitted to being shaped by outside forces and displayed a lack of omniscience. He's also not involved with the DCU at all anymore.
Originally posted by kgkg
Not really true The presence has also shown that he isn't all powerful. As far as comic god's they have both been hinted to have flaws like possible death.
And no, Yahweh and The Presence are NOT the same.
Yahweh specifically said that he was shaped by outside forces. The Presence wasn't, unless re-verified.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Where was it shown that The Presence isn't powerful?
He had like one showing, and that was in the form of Jim Corrigan's father eating Michael, and showing how insignificant the power of Spectre is to him.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
And no, Yahweh and The Presence are NOT the same.
Yahweh specifically said that he was shaped by outside forces. The Presence wasn't, unless re-verified.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerThe Carnivore overhauled the Presence , Radiant/spectre hinted out that the Presence<god> can possible die and there has been few time were people have challenged him and nearly won ie GEB , Synnar etc
Where was it shown that The Presence isn't powerful?
He had like one showing, and that was in the form of Jim Corrigan's father eating Michael, and showing how insignificant the power of Spectre is to him.And no, Yahweh and The Presence are NOT the same.
Yahweh specifically said that he was shaped by outside forces. The Presence wasn't, unless re-verified.
As for Yahweh and Presence they were the same people as admitted by the staff at DC many times I don't know why I have to keep arguing this. Most of the vertigo Characters came from DCU when there was no vertigo and those characters are still shown in Vertigo. Also writers have themselves said that Vertigo and DCU in parts linked.
It's just that Vertigo started adding there own stuff which is now very different from Mainstream DCU.
Originally posted by kgkg
The Carnivore overhauled the Presence
As for Yahweh and Presence they were the same people as admitted by the staff at DC many times I don't know why I have to keep arguing this.
I haven't read anything about that.
But if what you say is true, then PR beyonder wins.
Originally posted by occultdestroyerEven than it shouldn't happen to "GOD". Like in my previous post I shown few things that shouldn't happen to a true supreme "GOD" maybe the PM is truly > the presence.
[B]However only partially, since the Female aspect of The Presence was still intact with the 3 Earth Born Angels.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer I haven't read anything about that. But if what you say is true, then PR beyonder wins. [At least that how it was before but many things have changed in Vertigo and DCU with the Crisis , Elaine etc it's almost impossible to link them now. Don't expect any close link up nowadays though even Vertigo's own books don't related to each other most of the time.
Can't blame DC though so many changes of Power Structure in the last decade.
Originally posted by kgkg
The Carnivore overhauled the Presence , Radiant/spectre hinted out that the Presence<god> can possible die and there has been few time were people have challenged him and nearly won ie GEB , Synnar etcAs for Yahweh and Presence they were the same people as admitted by the staff at DC many times I don't know why I have to keep arguing this. Most of the vertigo Characters came from DCU when there was no vertigo and those characters are still shown in Vertigo. Also writers have themselves said that Vertigo and DCU in parts linked.
It's just that Vertigo started adding there own stuff which is now very different from Mainstream DCU.
All things are a story to The Presence even Carnivore taking his power, he showed not no understanding of how to use it and everything went back to the way it was before, much like Eliane who took over in his place, he still controls everything 😉
Originally posted by Enyalus
If Yahweh is The Presence and The Presence is the Primal Monitor, then PR Beyonder wins this hands down.But, Yahweh is not The Presence. Yahweh has nothing to do with Vertigo or the DCU anymore, while The Presence is still very much in the picture until Morrison decides to **** that up, too.
The PR Beyonder is a mini version of the real God which DC Vertigo make there God, The Presence started the ball going and continues it going as long as he wishes even with him not around, Morrison has not ****ed up anything that I know of.. 😕
Originally posted by kevdudeThe only reason Carnivore lost was because he didn't want to "Win". I'm not trying to shown that the Presence isn't powerful just that like vertigo's God both had shown flaws.
All things are a story to The Presence even Carnivore taking his power, he showed not no understanding of how to use it and everything went back to the way it was before, much like Eliane who took over in his place, he still controls everything 😉
I'm sure TOAA or any comic book God's will have flaws if you look deep into especially if they are shown often.