Originally posted by Utrigita
Nothing from the developers and yet you continue to referee to them?Dark Kahn did enough when he used his power to erase beings from across two universes seperately. "The force of My anger rips through both universes, many beings vanish from existance", now you are free to interprete this any way you want, you have like the rest of us the freedom of speech.
So what we have is you cooking soup on a bone with no meat?
You want to make the case that Galactus didn't transmute Hercules? Be my guest and make a thread in the comic section 🙂 So the quote on Dark Chronicles (which isn't the official website of the game nore is it a interview) secondly the notation for the quote is down.
First of what do you choose to focus on in the given quote? I focus on Influence because to me it's painfully obvious that, that's what is being refered to. Remember that is stat that their magic allow them to influence the Regulation, not control the regulation there is a huge difference. Secondly you are misunderstanding exactly in what perspective Regulation is used. If we take the first example used by Oxford (which I like to use yes) http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/orexxgulation?view=uk It requires that in order for the authority to have any given ability to maintain the law, it requires power, look at Pakistan for instance they want to regulate Taliban yet failed, they then applied force yet they can't quell them because they doesn't have a force large enough to operate on such a large front.
Where does it stat that he can access infinite magic? Nowhere.
She speaks about Blood Omen and explain how the Blood Omen worked and what happened in them, why would they ask her question concerning a product that she according to you had no influence on, that is like asking Morrison what he meant by having the Fantastic Four doing this and that in a recently published comic while he is writing Superman in DC.
Did I say she did? I merely pointed out the Writer is above the Developers. And she does stat that the Scion of Balance has absolutely nothing to do with Kain being Balance Guardian.
What do you mean? the only quote ime using is from the Developers.
Yes, he also claims that the merging imprisons him and causes pain to him which leads me to believe he didnt cause the merge at all.
No you have the Developers telling you something and you denying just because Kains not done it in the last 20 minutes of his game.
Why would anyone claim he transmuted someone when it clearly shows him blasting the being to slime.....
No its painfully obvious that the quote directly states that not only do Balance guardians cause hte regulation through their magical influence but it also states that they succeed in it, your listing examples where the regulation has failed.....which are redundant anyway because your talking about human problems that resist the regulation, magic is inanimate and has no resistance at all, Kain can control and order it without any resistance, if you have a government or law, that is not resisting and cannot they are the power, they hold the power, they are the power and they can govern it.
Magic is like energy, theres no such thing as a limit to magic, jsut like theres no such thing as a limit to energy, it just transforms in energies case. Thing is, Kain could just dictate through his governing authority that his magic does not require hardly any power to perform godlike feats while making the opposite on his opponent.
They ask her because shes apart of the series and wrote recent stories, she probably has access to Blood omen scrpit as well....does not mean she wrote the original blood omen.
wtf no she doesnt, she states that Kain was both, Scion of balance and Balance Guardian....
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Now you're just using strawmen and mental gymnastics.Obviously we slap names on everything. Remember, LoK is a fictional universe, created by people like you and me, who live in the same world as we do and are familiar with the same concepts and definitions as we are. Them slapping a name on something like a car conditioner or a character they invented makes little difference.
lol what? I didnt Strawman...
Yes but Regulator isnt Kains name, its a description for him, so I would rather measure this power hes given through the actual defintion than the effectiveness of a Cars temperature regulator just because it has "Regulator" in it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No you have the Developers telling you something and you denying just because Kains not done it in the last 20 minutes of his game.
Developers can be wrong, that's why he's not swallowing it. Even if they could be right and their words accurate, nothing says you are.
Originally posted by Burning thought
lol what? I didnt Strawman...Yes but Regulator isnt Kains name, its a description for him, so I would rather measure this power hes given through the actual defintion than the effectiveness of a Cars temperature regulator just because it has "Regulator" in it.
Air Conditioner's name obviously also isn't Regulator. Regulation of air temperature is what it does, so it's also its description.
I've yet to see a definition that says that regulatory powers entitles anyone who has them to infinite power in their respective field.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
If I said, "Damnit BT, stop arguing with these nut-smokers, you're right." (and I am NOT saying that), would that be baiting him, or you guys?BTW Kain is the regulator, though, and he does make the laws, so BT is kinda right.
I think you guys just don't respect him because of his poor English.
That would be baiting us, given your namecalling.
Not sure you've been paying attention. That's an existential fallacy. We don't know what the tooltip actually means. Burning Thought (And you apparently) has decided that you are right, and that your interpretation is the correct one, thus' creating the existential fallacy.
His poor English has nothing to do with it (Which for the record isn't necessarily poor. Merely insufficient). It's him failing at complete understanding of the word that leads to us having this conversation to begin with.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You're Finnish!? That is so awesome! I thought you were going to say Sri Lanka, or some other frightening country whose flag I'm not familiar with!I am SO jealous. No fair.
Totuuden, runon kotimaa 😊
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
That would be baiting us, given your namecalling.Not sure you've been paying attention. That's an existential fallacy. We don't know what the tooltip actually means. Burning Thought (And you apparently) has decided that you are right, and that your interpretation is the correct one, thus' creating the existential fallacy.
His poor English has nothing to do with it (Which for the record isn't necessarily poor. Merely insufficient). It's his failing to the complete understanding to the word that leads to us having this conversation to begin with.
Totuuden, runon kotimaa 😊
You mean like we're "Begging the Question?" Or using a "Circular Argument?" Hmm... That will take some deep thought. Hmm...
I still think BT is right, but thinking is sorta hard for me. Kain is the regulator, after all, and he does make the rules.
I have no idea what the hell that means, but it sounds awesome! Thanks for sharing your native language with me.
Edit: I may get that phrase tattooed on my breast, irregardless of it's meaning. It sounds splendid.
Edit: Crap, BT isn't online anymore. I hope it isn't because of me. I can be so damn annoying. I hate myself.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
You mean like were "Begging the Question?" Or using a "Circular Argument?" Hmm... That will take some deep thought. Hmm...
I still think BT is right, but thinking is sorta hard for me. Kain is the regulator, after all, and he does make the rules.I have no idea what the hell that means, but it sounds awesome! Thanks for sharing your native language with me.
Edit: I may get that phrase tattooed on my breast, irregardless of it's meaning. It sounds splendid.
Edit: Crap, BT isn't online anymore. I hope it isn't because of me. I can be so damn annoying. I hate myself.
Once again the existential fallacy. The quote implies that he isn't the regulator, but we don't know what it actually is supposed to say. So the claims by you two that he is the regulator is a logical fallacy. You are using the shortage of evidence to claim your premise as the correct conclusion. There's no proof (Or solid definition) that Kain is a regulator. Everything implies that he merely influence.
The phrase praises the country of a thousand lakes.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Once again the existential fallacy. The quote implies that he [b]isn't the regulator, but we don't know what it actually is supposed to say. So the claims by you two that he is the regulator is a logical fallacy. You are using the shortage of evidence to claim your premise as the correct conclusion. There's no proof (Or solid definition) that Kain is a regulator. Everything implies that he merely influence.The phrase praises the country of a thousand lakes. [/B]
Oops, I forgot the apostrophe in the contraction "we're". BT must be rubbing off on me.
I dunno. BT sounds really convinc(ed/ing). And Kain is really,* really powerful. I've seen that for myself. He does a lot of regulator-ish things.
*(Edit: Damnit, I forgot that comma. :looks at BT: )
I am SO getting that tattoo. Are there really a thousand lakes in Finland, or just a bunch?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Oops, I forgot the apostrophe in the contraction "we're". BT must be rubbing off on me.I dunno. BT sounds really convinc(ed/ing). And Kain is really,* really powerful. I've seen that for myself. He does a lot of regulator-ish things.
*(Edit: Damnit, I forgot that comma. :looks at BT: )I am so getting that tattoo. Are there really a thousand lakes in Finland, or just a bunch?
Of course he's convincing. He is very confident that he is correct. When someone believe strongly in oneself, it's easy to be convincing. If not for the frequent usage of one fallacy after the other, I'd have no problem buying what he says. Unfortunately, he lack the required proof to be deemed right, rather than a speculator. Those that doesn't expect concrete facts will find him very convincing because they don't bother looking into the faults in his debating. His statements aren't facts, even though he deems them as fact. They are theories and speculations. That's the only problem. That's why people continue going up against him on it, because he doesn't have enough proof to lean back and relax. He isn't right. He's a "maybe" factor, which is far from right.
Kain hasn't done anything regulating that I've seen. Being powerful is a matter of definition, but he's nowhere near as powerful as he's claimed to be. He doesn't even have that many impressive moves, and those he has aren't very strong (In comparison, relative to this forum). His power arsenal is tiny and his unused powers vague to say the least.
No, "Land of a thousand lakes" is an artistic myth used. There's over a hundred and fifty thousand lakes. I think it's even near two hundred thousand.
He is the regulator, he just uses Magic to cause the regulation to the same degree Archimonde would create a spells effect, he would influence the spell into excistence with his magic, although you would still claim "Archimonde" created said effec. Warlock A, created Fireball B, altho for tonight ime off out, so any answer to this or previous posts ill answer tomorrow, good health to all.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Of course he's convincing. He is very confident that he is correct. When someone believe strongly in oneself, it's easy to be convincing. If not for the frequent usage of one fallacy after the other, I'd have no problem buying what he says. Unfortunately, he lack the required proof to be deemed right, rather than a speculator. Those that doesn't expect concrete facts will find him [b]very convincing because they don't bother looking into the faults in his debating. His statements aren't facts, even though he deems them as fact. They are theories and speculations. That's the only problem. That's why people continue going up against him on it, because he doesn't have enough proof to lean back and relax.Kain hasn't done anything regulating that I've seen. Being powerful is a matter of definition, but he's nowhere near as powerful as he's claimed to be. He doesn't even have that many impressive moves. His power arsenal is tiny and his unused powers vague to say the least.
No, "Land of a thousand lakes" is an artistic myth used. There's over a hundred and fifty thousand lakes. I think it's even near two hundred thousand. [/B]
Secondly, you blaspheme Kain. He is awesome and his moves rock. His power arsenal is kick ass, and if it were any larger, the game would be too easily completed, and totally uninteresting. Think about the fight with the Elder God. You starting to see my point of view yet?
Wow. Pardon my Finnish, but: Holy Shit. Two thousand ****ing lakes? I'm sold. There is no greater land on Earth than Finland. And that tattoo is a done deal. If only I were from Finland. 🙁
Well... I could always pretend. I'll learn to talk with a Finnish accent (whatever the hell that sounds like). If I believe I'm Finnish, who the hell can tell me that I'm not?
In fact: henceforth, I am Finnish, and everyone here shall refer to me as such.
Originally posted by Burning thought
He is the regulator, he just uses Magic to cause the regulation to the same degree Archimonde would create a spells effect, he would influence the spell into excistence with his magic, although you would still claim "Archimonde" created said effec. Warlock A, created Fireball B, altho for tonight ime off out, so any answer to this or previous posts ill answer tomorrow, good health to all.
I'm starting to feel like a broken record 😐
Existential fallacy.
He isn't stated the regulator. Even if he is, there's a dozen definitions of the word "regulate", which creates another existential fallacy when it's claimed that it's that particular definition of the word that is correct while all the others are wrong.
Then another fallacy comes along as a concequence of the fallacy collision. This one is the propositional fallacy, which has the poster fall for the logic fallacy of affirming the consequent. You claim in confidence that Kain:
1. Is a regulator.
2. Regulate by the regulation definition you used.
With that, executing the propositional fallacy of affirming the consequent.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtGood health to you too, your awesomeness.
He is the regulator, he just uses Magic to cause the regulation to the same degree Archimonde would create a spells effect, he would influence the spell into excistence with his magic, although you would still claim "Archimonde" created said effec. Warlock A, created Fireball B, altho for tonight ime off out, so any answer to this or previous posts ill answer tomorrow, good health to all.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I'm starting to feel like a broken record 😐Existential fallacy.
He isn't stated the regulator. Even if he is, there's a dozen definitions of the word "regulate", which creates another existential fallacy when it's claimed that it's that particular definition of the word that is correct while all the others are wrong.
Then another fallacy comes along as a concequence of the fallacy collision. This one is the propositional fallacy, which has the poster fall for the logic fallacy of affirming the consequent. You claim in confidence that Kain:
1. Is a regulator.
2. Regulate by the regulation definition you used.With that, executing the propositional fallacy of affirming the consequent.
Kain is the regulator, though...
Big words. Finnish schools must be so freaking awesome.
Hey. I back to back posted. Aren't those supposed to merge?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
BT is an awesome guy. You just have to get to know him. He's steadfast, tenacious, determined, resolute, and all those other good personality traits. If he ran for President/Prime Minister/Fuhrer of whatever country he's from, I'd vote for him.Secondly, you blaspheme Kain. He is awesome and his moves rock. His power arsenal is kick ass, and if it were any larger, the game would be too easily completed, and totally uninteresting. Think about the fight with the Elder God. You starting to see my point of view yet?
Wow. Pardon my Finnish, but: Holy Shit. Two thousand ****ing lakes? I'm sold. There is no greater land on Earth than Finland. And that tattoo is a done deal. If only I were from Finland. 🙁
Well... I could always pretend. I'll learn to talk with a Finnish accent (whatever the hell that sounds like). If I believe I'm Finnish, who the hell can tell me that I'm not?
In fact: henceforth, I am Finnish, and everyone here shall refer to me as such.
Kain is an awesome character. I love Kain. He just isn't very powerful in comparison to many he's put up against. A majority of the threads I've read with his involvement are unbalanced in favor of the enemy. Kain is but a speck of the power you see him as.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Don't feel that way. 🙁 I understand you.Kain is the regulator, though...
Big words. Finnish schools must be so freaking awesome.
Hey. I back to back posted. Aren't those supposed to merge?
There's no proof that he regulate, and most certainly not to the extent that you guys believe him to do (Since I'm tired at repeating myself, just read what I've written the past few pages if you wonder why I say he doesn't regulate. All I have to say is there)
We didn't have an English teacher in our school.
Not really, no.
