Originally posted by Q'Anilia
Indirectly in control. You're not the one regulating (Which is a BIG difference from regulating. Influencing and actually regulating has a huge gap between the two). You can only partially control the temperature and the rate, and not even necessarily with the precision or extent that you desire.
I guess the finer point of this analogy of yours would be that you can't set the temperature of the car to infinity.
Originally posted by Burning thought
You cant imply a limt on Kains regulation just because a component in a car is called a Regulator, its a flawed human item which doesnt really regulate, govern, or control heat, it just influences the temperature, wheras the quote actually says Kains magic succeeds in regulation.
It doesn't regulate it in the sense you think, it influences(remember the statement now) the air inside of the car, but that's still one definition for regulation.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtOh no! It's the LOK zealot!
You cant imply a limt on Kains regulation just because a component in a car is called a Regulator, its a flawed human item which doesnt really regulate, govern, or control heat, it just influences the temperature, wheras the quote actually says Kains magic succeeds in regulation.
Hide your favorite characters everyone, or he'll make a thread in which Kain the Omnipotent brutally rapes and murders them!
j/k, I am being such a troll. Hi BT. Remember me?
Its not a defintion, its just the name of an object inside a car....its not an actual defintion unlike:
http://www.investorwords.com/5950/regulation.html
A rule designed to control the conduct of those to whom it applies.Regulations are official rules, and have to be followed
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/regulation
1. The act of regulating or the state of being regulated.
2. A principle, rule, or law designed to control or govern conduct.
3. A governmental order having the force of law. Also calledexecutive order.
Oxford: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/orexxgulation?view=uk
• noun 1 a rule or directive made and maintained by an authority. 2 before another noun informal of a familiar or predictable type:regulation blonde hair. 3 the action or process of regulating or being
regulated.
And influence means little, the fact Kains magic influences regulation of magic means little....Its just pointed out what he uses to succeed in his regulation.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not a defintion, its just the name of an object inside a car....its not an actual defintion unlike:http://www.investorwords.com/5950/regulation.html
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/regulation
Oxford: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/orexxgulation?view=uk
And influence means little, the fact Kains magic influences regulation of magic means little....Its just pointed out what he uses to succeed in his regulation.
And Kain is just a person called Regulator or Scion of Balance(whatever that means, nobody knows).
None of these definitions say it can be done to an infinite degree. A force of law cannot control anything to an infinite degree, a person who regulates traffic in a street cannot make the traffic stop altogether worldwide or make it disappear entirely, or increase the traffic beyond what it already is.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats only a form of regulation....as I said, him doing any spell could be him regulatng his powers to a lesser degree, but it really doesnt matter, him showing it is irrelvent when his developers say he can do.No it leaves my side with the Developers backing me up and my oppositions denile slumped.
I could interpret that easily, I could interpret that Galactus can only seemingly do that to his heralds who he has given their power, since he emphasises how Terrax is a herald given power by him as he does it and throughout.
Its not open to interpretation because in truth its a single word that gives Kain all this power, regulation, and regulation has very few interpretations if any at all and by the seeming fact that nobody so far has given a diffrent legit interpretation its pretty clear there likely is not, only someone with a lot of Kain hate to an unlimited degree could interpret that magic regulation does not give kain the practicle power to make himself nigh omnipotent 😉
Ime not even sure of that? where did you find that information? as i said, the developers who made Blood omen and who this came from are not Eidios who made Soul reaver which Amy herring is typically from.
Either way, unless she had written something that says otherwise, then ime afraid all of this "developers are not as believable as the writers" is irrelvent, simply because the Developers are definaltey far above the players, and everyone this forum combined in authority in their characters.
It is still regulation, it should given how certain you are in you case be fairly easy to prove. So the developers have said that he can Freeze time on a universal scale and have unlimited access to magic, I would very much like to see that, not that it really changes alot imho, since if the developers had that view on Kain he would have used it against he Old God.
Then show us this quote that stats that Kain can do what you claim he can (regulate all forms on magic from other Characters even those not from Nosgoth, universal Freeze time etc), I would like the main site, preferebly from a interview which the leading developer, not a nobody.
If would be nice if it wasn't for the fact that Galactus also does this.
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3pu4.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h6js1.jpg
But I'm sure that if one is signifactly thickheaded you can keep ignoring evidence that isn't open for Interpretation.
So the fact that it's Galactus herald makes it subject to interpretation but a lone quote that have absolutely on it from any game in the series can't? Inlogical. If you can interpretate Galactus showing as you want, then I'm most certainly free to do so aswell. The quote never says that Kain has unlimited access to regulation of Magic. It stats that Kain has the ability to influence the amount of magic in the world, influence isn't regulation. And there is still no evidence from ingame that in any supports that Kain is capable of doing what you want him to do.
http://www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Question_and_Answer_with_Amy_Hennig.html
Done.
Sure the developers is above the players, but the writer of the story will always be above the developer, else it would be like saying the drawer in marvel has more influence on the story then the writer which in itself is hilarious.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
And Kain is just a person called Regulator or Scion of Balance(whatever that means, nobody knows).None of these definitions say it can be done to an infinite degree. A force of law cannot control anything to an infinite degree, a person who regulates traffic in a street cannot make the traffic stop altogether worldwide or make it disappear entirely, or increase the traffic beyond what it already is.
No, ime sorry but hes not called it, the direct statement says he DOES the regulation with his magical influence...
Your choosing examples that have direct limits based on human actions and possibilities, the defintions all point out that its government, law, and if Kains regulation creates the law of magic to be infnite for himself, its got no reason not to...its not an angry car owner who wants to continue onwards.
The defintion is quite clear, you trying to label them on human affairs is not and is quite redundant and pointless.
Originally posted by Utrigita
It is still regulation, it should given how certain you are in you case be fairly easy to prove. So the developers have said that he can Freeze time on a universal scale and have unlimited access to magic, I would very much like to see that, not that it really changes alot imho, since if the developers had that view on Kain he would have used it against he Old God.Then show us this quote that stats that Kain can do what you claim he can (regulate all forms on magic from other Characters even those not from Nosgoth, universal Freeze time etc), I would like the main site, preferebly from a interview which the leading developer, not a nobody.
If would be nice if it wasn't for the fact that Galactus also does this.
http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h3pu4.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=h6js1.jpgBut I'm sure that if one is signifactly thickheaded you can keep ignoring evidence that isn't open for Interpretation.
So the fact that it's Galactus herald makes it subject to interpretation but a lone quote that have absolutely on it from any game in the series can't? Inlogical. If you can interpretate Galactus showing as you want, then I'm most certainly free to do so aswell. The quote never says that Kain has unlimited access to regulation of Magic. It stats that Kain has the ability to influence the amount of magic in the world, influence isn't regulation. And there is still no evidence from ingame that in any supports that Kain is capable of doing what you want him to do.
http://www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Question_and_Answer_with_Amy_Hennig.html
Done.
Sure the developers is above the players, but the writer of the story will always be above the developer, else it would be like saying the drawer in marvel has more influence on the story then the writer which in itself is hilarious.
I can claim PIS for the Elder God, or I can claim "we didnt see the canon fight" or I can claim the same for Dark Khan, hell Dark Khan, why didnt you turn all your opponents into dust.....
He doesnt need to be directly stated to affect others, it just claims regulation which is what ime stating he can do, nothing more. And the links are on the Dark Chronicle website.
lol now your just saying you have to be thick to make a diffrent interpretation on that? yes well, I think you have to be a shit for brains little bastard to try and misinterpret the quote on Darkchronicle 😉
no not really.....your case makes no sense at all...the fact its only excisted for Kain at the end of the last game sort of crushes all that "zomg not in another game" thing, as does a developer statement 🙁 no ime sorry but if you read it, he influences the regulation of magic with his magic, so using defintions from Oxford (you used this one dont you?) and others Kain rules and maintains and controls the conduct of magic while also controlling it as if he was the authority over its force and law.
Therefore he commands magic literally to be infnitly powerful in his hands, and worthless in his opponents.
That does not tell me she wrote Blood omen or that she was apart of Silicon knights.
yes the writer will, unfortunatley the writer does not disagree or write anything to contradict the developers, so now we just have Developers>>>you guys.....
Originally posted by Burning thought
You cant imply a limt on Kains regulation just because a component in a car is called a Regulator, its a flawed human item which doesnt really regulate, govern, or control heat, it just influences the temperature, wheras the quote actually says Kains magic succeeds in regulation.
Are you really this uneducated with the English language, or are you so blinded by your determination to not be wrong? I'm guessing English is not your birth language. I don't know where you're from, but that's how it seems to me. I don't mean this post in an insulting manner. I'm just saying that it appears as if you don't know the word regulate as well as you seem to think you do.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No, ime sorry but hes not called it, the direct statement says he DOES the regulation with his magical influence...Your choosing examples that have direct limits based on human actions and possibilities, the defintions all point out that its government, law, and if Kains regulation creates the law of magic to be infnite for himself, its got no reason not to...its not an angry car owner who wants to continue onwards.
The defintion is quite clear, you trying to label them on human affairs is not and is quite redundant and pointless.
I'm using something called 'analogies' and until you whip out something that actually states that Kain can regulate to an infinite degree, this is going to have to suffice.
Who the hell passes "laws" on magic anyway? Has it ever even been stated or shown that Nosgoth guardians can pass laws on something like magic?
Regulation doesn't mean something can be regulated to an infinite degree. Simple as that. And until you find substantial proof that Kain can do it, it's nothing more than a no-limits fallacy.
Originally posted by Q'AniliaYeah, I think he's a foreigner.
Are you really this uneducated with the English language, or are you so blinded by your determination to not be wrong? I'm guessing English is not your birth language. I don't know where you're from, but that's how it seems to me. I don't mean this post in an insulting manner. I'm just saying that it appears as if you don't know the word regulate as well as you seem to think you do.
Where are you from BT?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIs this comment directed at me? I really hope it is.
Well I am sorry but the 3 dictionaries I posted disagree with your.....oh...zero dictionaries, just word of mouth...that you use quite a lot (or on this forum, fingers) to blabber on without action or evidence, stop spamming this thread please, its most annoying.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I'm using something called 'analogies' and until you whip out something that actually states that Kain can regulate to an infinite degree, this is going to have to suffice.Who the hell passes "laws" on magic anyway? Has it ever even been stated or shown that Nosgoth guardians can pass laws on something like magic?
Regulation doesn't mean something can be regulated to an infinite degree. Simple as that. And until you find substantial proof that Kain can do it, it's nothing more than a no-limits fallacy.
Well not really, the degree is irrelvent when your the guy who makes the laws and governs the subject matter (magic) unfortunatley for you. Your analogies are redundant.
Who passes laws? I think your taking the idea of a law too literally here. As the quote says however, they regulate e.g. command, control, have authority, can conduct the use of yadda yadda yadda magic.
Ofcourse it does, by defintion that is the practical use of regulation, your taking the limits of human technology and analogies your making too closely, the defintion disagrees. The no limits fallacy would only exist if regulation was a limt, thing is by defintion he is this powerful.
