Alex Mercer vs Dante

Originally posted by Nephthys
Gravity doesn't work that way.

Dante is still falling though, your saying that has no effect at all? Infact, he falls the whole fight apart from a few seconds where he has his feet running on the tower to catch his falling sword, not sure about mach speeds but the heat means it must have been going quick. Ofc, the leviathan wasnt impressed.

Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
O_o...you were watching the fight between dante/virgil/lady/jester, right? so you do realise lady hardly countered virgil, but he was simply pinning her down because shes annoying? and i do think anyones stamina would be drained if they got impaled multiple times, faught for hours, dodged missiles, got shot in the head, twice, impaled some more, recently awakened their demonic potential, got eaten, faught his way back through all kinds of hell, and then had to fight their own super-powered twin who was fresh and well rested. O_o...

i mean hell... wouldnt you?

Yes she did, he brought his sword down and she no sells it on Kalina anne, if a human could not counter or react to Vergil because "hes so fast" then how could lady?

Also you keep bringing up "hours of fighting" but thats not evident, Dante and vergil are fine, walking around and talking like nothings been going on and then go down to human levels of speed and reaction after a minute or so of fighting eachother (and lady to a degree).

I am human though, I was under the impression Dante was made of sterner stuff, a bit of fighting with my brother shouldnt tirer me down to nigh human level speed.

its still a matter of 'you have dante, superbeasto overpowered mofo extraodinare, vs virgil! superbeasto overpowered mofo extraordinare and twin to previous albino-haired asshat'

they both have the same powers. same strength. same speed. and they already spent one fight wailing on each-other. and now they spend another going all super demon-bloody roar-style slobberknocker on each-other. expending all their little newfound demonic powers thinking "OMGWTFBBQ FINAL BOSS BATTLE TIME!" and then jesters like.. 'LOL, NOPE! THERES STILL HALF A GAME TO PLAY, BITCHES!" meanwhile, they just spent ALOT of power cutting each-other up and wearing one another down to fighting like useless humans..

Originally posted by Burning thought
Dante is still falling though, your saying that has no effect at all? Infact, he falls the whole fight apart from a few seconds where he has his feet running on the tower to catch his falling sword, not sure about mach speeds but the heat means it must have been going quick. Ofc, the leviathan wasnt impressed.

Terminal velocity is the speed at which an object stops accelerating while falling. Terminal velocity of a human is 117-125mph (I'm assuming Dante weighs about the same as an average human). At that point Dantes speed will not increase due to gravity. Mach 1 (speed of sound) = 761.207051 mph. So Dante would have to over quintuple terminal velocity to reach supersonic speeds. Gravity will not help him do this because as I said, his acceleration from falling will have stopped.

If any of this is wrong, please physics buffs tell me and BT.

i like this nephthys guy. good propah use of SCIENCE! i approve.

😄

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLb5zZxiLls
you get this as a reward. and ten internets to you as well..

oh.. wait.. where were we? alex mercer, right? hold on.. gotta do some research..

Originally posted by Nephthys
Terminal velocity is the speed at which an object stops accelerating while falling. Terminal velocity of a human is 117-125mph (I'm assuming Dante weighs about the same as an average human). At that point Dantes speed will not increase due to gravity. Mach 1 (speed of sound) = 761.207051 mph. So Dante would have to over quintuple terminal velocity to reach supersonic speeds. Gravity will not help him do this because as I said, his acceleration from falling will have stopped.

If any of this is wrong, please physics buffs tell me and BT.

So he was already going at 125 mph, then possibly boosted it by running on the wall. The problem is, the speed does not appear to change. The flying creatures and the distance between him and his sword change little and slowly. So maybe your right and maybe mach 1 is not obvious afterall.

Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
its still a matter of 'you have dante, superbeasto overpowered mofo extraodinare, vs virgil! superbeasto overpowered mofo extraordinare and twin to previous albino-haired asshat'

they both have the same powers. same strength. same speed. and they already spent one fight wailing on each-other. and now they spend another going all super demon-bloody roar-style slobberknocker on each-other. expending all their little newfound demonic powers thinking "OMGWTFBBQ FINAL BOSS BATTLE TIME!" and then jesters like.. 'LOL, NOPE! THERES STILL HALF A GAME TO PLAY, BITCHES!" meanwhile, they just spent ALOT of power cutting each-other up and wearing one another down to fighting like useless humans..

But he was not going that quick in this fight like I said, you saying their incredible does not make them so in this instance. If Vergil goes slow, hes going slow just like anyone else even if hes capable of more speed.

This one is the only one relevent though, this fight which lasts at most a few minutes ends with them as you said "fighting like useless humans", how can Dante possibly keep up with Mercer or most KMC characters if he runs out of juice in minutes, Mercer could arguably come back again and again for hours if not days assuming Dante even hits him. Dante running after him will likely tirer him out and his best bet is time powers but their not unlimited.

Originally posted by Burning thought
So he was already going at 125 mph, then possibly boosted it by running on the wall. The problem is, the speed does not appear to change. The flying creatures and the distance between him and his sword change little and slowly. So maybe your right and maybe mach 1 is not obvious afterall.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, so I'm just going to pretend you're agreeing with me and conceeding the point.

(Thank you Matthias)

im pretty sure mercer isnt even a real human, but a super-virus with a mans memories. he doesnt insta-regen. that clip is one clip in the whole game. he heals in-game by EATING PEOPLE and absorbing their biomass. and alot of his stronger attacks use up his biomass.

(his stronger, very badass and awesome attacks)

so.. in an even, 1 v 1 fight. mercer would use up alot of biomass attacking dante who could just trickster and tele-jump around him, blasting him with shotguns, missiles, lasers, lightning, hellfire and all sort of other shit. dante regen-ing off his demonic powers, while mercer constantly loses his own biomass until hes nothing but a puddle of bio-goo. in a cityscape, with lots of things to eat, dante would face a never-ending flod of biomass and sharp pointy thingies that JUST WONT FREAKIN DIE. O_o..

SO!

1v1, by themselves, in the plane of suck, or without any bystandards.. dante wins.

in a city-scape, mercer DEVOURS ALL. O_o..
and i have played the game a bit. bullets and explosions DO hurt. mercer can lose biomass to ranged weaponry. whos to say cleaving gashes through him wont tear away bio-mass as well?

Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
im pretty sure mercer isnt even a real human, but a super-virus with a mans memories. he doesnt insta-regen. that clip is one clip in the whole game. he heals in-game by EATING PEOPLE and absorbing their biomass. and alot of his stronger attacks use up his biomass.

(his stronger, very badass and awesome attacks)

so.. in an even, 1 v 1 fight. mercer would use up alot of biomass attacking dante who could just trickster and tele-jump around him, blasting him with shotguns, missiles, lasers, lightning, hellfire and all sort of other shit. dante regen-ing off his demonic powers, while mercer constantly loses his own biomass until hes nothing but a puddle of bio-goo. in a cityscape, with lots of things to eat, dante would face a never-ending flod of biomass and sharp pointy thingies that JUST WONT FREAKIN DIE. O_o..

SO!

1v1, by themselves, in the plane of suck, or without any bystandards.. dante wins.

in a city-scape, mercer DEVOURS ALL. O_o..
and i have played the game a bit. bullets and explosions DO hurt. mercer can lose biomass to ranged weaponry. whos to say cleaving gashes through him wont tear away bio-mass as well?

I dont know about using up bio mass but the whole "eating people" thing is one way of healing himself, but Mercer does have a slow regen at low levels and his body being what it is, can heal from very little.

mercer does not use up his bio-mass, he uses a sort of charge that I cant remember the name of for his large scale attacks but you dont lose health or such for using normal attacks or morphing....also, Dante would use up most of his stamina doing those things, if normal fighting with vergil slows him down, using trickster and such would slow him even more. Dante would be finished in what, an hour while Mercer could just keep coming back.

Maybe, but as I said, stick mercer with a sword or such and he could come back, his physiology is less physical and more how to say, "mushy".

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying, so I'm just going to pretend you're agreeing with me and conceeding the point.

(Thank you Matthias)

That he may not be going mach 1 afterall.

keep in mind all that happened to dante prior to that. its pretty much twice in the entire series of games that it ever shows him even out of breath. and almost none of dantes attacks require a drain of his dt energy. which is refilled by fighting.. not eating..

but.. correct me if im wrong.. would you say this is a good example of mercer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiecEAM_pxM&feature=related
i realise hes got more abilities, but so does dante, and the game usually limits him to two weapons of each kind.

(Ignores BT's bullshit)

Ah, sweet victory. I'm not going to lie, it feels good.

Originally posted by Nephthys
(Ignores BT's bullshit)

Ah, sweet victory. I'm not going to lie, it feels good.

Marks

-Ignore the oppositions argument 10/10

-Self rightious denile and arrogance 10/10

-Hope for appraisal from people on their side 10/10

Well done, you score full marks for my typical KMC opposition.

Originally posted by Matthias Fenris
keep in mind all that happened to dante prior to that. its pretty much twice in the entire series of games that it ever shows him even out of breath. and almost none of dantes attacks require a drain of his dt energy. which is refilled by fighting.. not eating..

but.. correct me if im wrong.. would you say this is a good example of mercer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiecEAM_pxM&feature=related
i realise hes got more abilities, but so does dante, and the game usually limits him to two weapons of each kind.

But its irrelevent what happened prior because Dantes fine when he enters the chamber, you would have a point if Dante came gasping and tired into the chamber but he came in at full strength.

Its gameplay but I guess so, it shows some of his powers and abilities. Tbh I dont know all of mercers powers myself since I completed the game a long while ago (a few days from when it came out so probably more than a year?).

yeah.. im having a hard time seeing mercer touch any of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhwUWTRTlJQ
truth is, dantes enemies, on the real difficult settings often move just as fast as he does, and all the clips im seeing of mercer have him as a kind of fast moving juggernaught. not really emphasizing his speed, but rather destructive abilities... hmmn.. and if dante does reduce him to a pile of mush, i could easily see him eletrocuting it into a burnt spot, or sealing it into the same efffect.

i see it as a matter of a few things.
-can mercer land blows on dante, when hes at full strength and energy?
and,
-can dantes demonic powers destroy mercer on the cellular level?

I would say Mercer cannot at first, but based on his fights with vergil slowing him down considerably, it owuld only take a few minutes for him to be more than slow enough for Mercer to hack him up, Mercer does not tire like Dante because hes not got a biology like a human, hes just a virus. Also, has anyone argued of Mercer just infecting Dante? cant he just get Dante to breathe him in so to speak and infest?

No because Dantes not that powerful, I would say he can probably cut him up but not without using time powers. Dont forget, in one Jump merce can cover hundreds of meters, Dante would either try and rest or chase him, if the later hes just going to tire himself out.

Also, I dont think Dante is actually immortal is he? I think Mercer is, so eventually Mercer would eventually win if Dante cant keep him down.

Originally posted by Burning thought
[b]Marks

-Ignore the oppositions argument 10/10

-Self rightious denile and arrogance 10/10

-Hope for appraisal from people on their side 10/10

Well done, you score full marks for my typical KMC opposition.[/B]

You misspelled 'righteous' and 'denial.'

What has two horns and don't give no fvcks? Bob Nephthys.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You misspelled 'righteous' and 'denial.'

What has two horns and don't give no fvcks? Bob Nephthys.

Make claims of not caring then disproving themselves by replying to a post they dont apprently care about 10/10

Some people go beyond the call of duty in their results, excellent work honey.

No sweetie, I don't care what you say. I find my own responses amusing, being self rightious and arrogant.

Though you'll note I was never arguing against you, merely pointing something out.

So your pretty much talking to yourself really then? great...

im pretty sure the shockwave from dante activating his dt would blast mercer back from him if he tries infecting dante.. at least it did damage and knockback effects in dmc 3 and 4.

and im pretty sure the power from beowulf, or ifrit works on an area of effect type heat/light damage. and i dont know what his "drive" ability launches, other than red demon energy. then theres the nightmare gun, the artemis gun, the pandora box/gun, the grenade launcher, kalina anne, the shotgun, (which he nunchucks.. O_o...its awesome)the dual smg's, his normal magnums, a bitchin sniper rifle (of which, he trick shots bullet richochet to hit targets multiple times).. and.. another missile launcher.

most of those used by the human forces can damage mercer in game. how does a virus react to flames? O_o a buffered nuke went off underwater and the resulting shockwave reduced him into a blob.

so we have to see... how does a super virus react to flames, demonic energy, light energy, lightning, ice, and wind-based attacks?
(also dante has dopplegangers, time slows and full on stops, and never had to reload)
and how does dante react to stabs, bashings, slices, and rending?

hmmn... there seems to be alot of unknowns on mercers end.