Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Your loss, Princess.

That alone makes him superior in stealth, among other means, and why what happened at 1:00 in your video would never apply to Snake in the first place, ruling out the fact that you're comparing the clone of the greatest soldier of the twentieth century to a grunt on patrol.

PS. And before you may take offense at the Princess crack, I think you know what I'm referring to.

Not my type of game.

He has better stealth. Not better technique. It's irrelevant if Snake is a clone of the best soldier in the 20th century, since Fisher is supposedly that as well. The man he slayed was a stealth agent that worked for the same agency that Sam did, and was by no means an incompetent soldier.

How would Snake detect Sam in such a sense. He doesn't trigger any heat or motion. The first battle is in a winter landscape, so what Sam does at 1:00 can very much apply in this fight. The difference would be that Sam would appear with a gun rather than knife, knowing his opposition, and color the snow red.

Snake is confident enough to not resort to the techniques that Sam execute, which is more likely to be his downfall than not. Because Snake is custom to different types of battle, Snake will be visible throughout the battle (Despite his suit, which appears to be effected by light despite its invisible state). Sam will not.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Not my type of game.

He has better stealth. Not better technique. It's irrelevant if Snake is a clone of the best soldier in the 20th century, since Fisher is supposedly that as well. The man he slayed was a stealth agent that worked for the same agency that Sam did, and was by no means an incompetent soldier.

How would Snake detect Sam in such a sense. He doesn't trigger any heat or motion. The first battle is in a winter landscape, so what Sam does at 1:00 can very much apply in this fight. The difference would be that Sam would appear with a gun rather than knife, knowing his opposition, and color the snow red.

Snake is confident enough to not resort to the techniques that Sam execute, which is more likely to be his downfall than not. Because Snake is custom to different types of battle, Snake will be visible throughout the battle (Despite his suit, which appears to be effected by light despite its invisible state). Sam will not. [/B]

Better technique leads to better stealth. This particular aspect is not so convoluted as to say that their means at stealth depend more than their skill in said means. And as soon as I find the documents that say Sam was an product of an experiment in the 1970's, I'll get back to you on that one part. Snake had to locate and fight a group of super-agile elite soldiers in a blizzard whilst fighting against a woman piloting a cybernetic wolf-like machine with a minature rail-gun.

Read above. What Snake did in his respcective situation almost unarguably attests to superior utilization in spite of a weather hindrance. Not to mention nine years prior to that, he was pitted aganst a tank which he took out with grenades. Not counting Snake's superior showings of hand-to-hand combat in such situations.

The fact that Snake's tech at its peak is custom for virtually any type of battle, stealth or not, or even both at once as proven by MGS4, which was within the primary motives of a stealth mission, is advantageuous enough to give him such an opportunity in the first place. That, and for as long as he wills it so to speak, the octocamo will keep whatever pattern it was last copying even while he's up and walking about.

Exactly. Sam > Snake - Technique. Snake > Sam - Stealth. My vote is on Sam.

Snake is a seek-and-destroy character. Fisher is a patience-is-a-virtue character. Snake's greatest strength (His advanced technology, his mobile art of combat and his confidence) I find ironically enough as his greatest weakness against Sam.

It doesn't matter if Snake has better combat showings than Sam, or has defeated better foes, or destroyed more objects. Fisher's technique declares him winner in the 1st round in my opinion.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Exactly. Sam > Snake - Technique. Snake > Sam - Stealth. My vote is on Sam.

Snake is a seek-and-destroy character. Fisher is a patience-is-a-virtue character. Snake's greatest strength (His advanced technology, his mobile art of combat and his confidence) I find ironically enough as his greatest weakness against Sam.

It doesn't matter if Snake has better combat showings than Sam, or has defeated better foes, or destroyed more objects. Fisher's technique declares him winner in the 1st round in my opinion. [/B]

-Again, superior technique in stealth leads to superior stealth period. Tech, in this case, tends to influence the technique, and Snake's more advanced tech gives him that much more of an edge in sheer stealth capabiliteis and versatility in stealth. Sam is simply inferior because of that.

-Snake carries out his category through the same means AS Sam, only to a higher degree based on feats, not gameplay function, the only semblance of evidence to your point; Splinter Cell focuses more on stealth whereas MGS is of a Stealth-Action genre, which actually does more to suggest Snake's versatility.

-Snake's aforementioned accomplishments ATTEST TO his superior technique. Snake's superiority to Sam is a prime example of a 10/10 superiority between two similar characters. Snake's experiences with superior enemies in similar situations declares him the winner.

Anyone else find this really funny?

Just me then?

Snakes sniper battle in 4 just clearly shows he beats Sam. I mean how many people would he have had to sneak up on, and considering they're nano machines as well, Sam's screwed.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
-Again, superior technique in stealth leads to superior stealth period. Tech, in this case, tends to influence the technique, and Snake's more advanced tech gives him that much more of an edge in sheer stealth capabiliteis and versatility in stealth. Sam is simply inferior because of that.

-Snake carries out his category through the same means AS Sam, only to a higher degree based on feats, not gameplay function, the only semblance of evidence to your point; Splinter Cell focuses more on stealth whereas MGS is of a Stealth-Action genre, which actually does more to suggest Snake's versatility.

-Snake's aforementioned accomplishments ATTEST TO his superior technique. Snake's superiority to Sam is a prime example of a 10/10 superiority between two similar characters. Snake's experiences with superior enemies in similar situations declares him the winner.

Gear is gear. Technique is technique. Having awesome gear doesn't automaticly make your technique awesome. Judging by all that I've seen of Snake, his stealth technique is inferior that of Sam.

Indeed. The Splinter Cell focuse more on stealth than Snake, which is my repeating point in this thread: The reason he win the 1st fight. Like I said, Snake is a seek-and-destroy. For as long as Sam apply his superior technique, chances are greater that Sam discovers Snake before vice versa.

Snake is more physically fit than Sam. Snake has better gear than Sam. Snake has better DNA than Sam. Snake has better experience than Sam. Sam has better technique than Snake. Sam > Snake. All your accomplishments means nothing when you're on the recieving side of a bullet.

Originally posted by FeelGood
Anyone else find this really funny?

Just me then?

Snakes sniper battle in 4 just clearly shows he beats Sam. I mean how many people would he have had to sneak up on, and considering they're nano machines as well, Sam's screwed.

How does that show that he beats Sam?

Do you know how many people he would have had to sneak up on, not to mention a fecking boss going around.

That is on par with anything Sam does.

Sam has some great techniques. That's because he needs them, Snake doesn't what aren't you getting??

So he can sneak past/up on people. That's no news to me, nor does it change my perspective that is Sam's superiority in stealth technique.

Snake doesn't need them against the enemies he has fought. He has never fought Sam before. Are you saying that Snake is as good as Sam at stealth, but has merely not shown it to us?

You are taking it the wrong way, Snake has harder stealth missions, harder people to sneak up on. But he does it. Nothing fancy about it. He's that good.

Sam needs all his tricks and whatever to do much easier stuff. Even if Sam got up close Snake would hear or whatever and could dodge a bullet as well as shown in the video.

I like Sam but Snake takes it.

Stop repeating how Snake "doesn't need" as much technique as Sam. He's going up against someone who is far more adept in stealth techniques than anyone he has (to my knowledge) ever fought. Sam's not the common villains that Snake go up against, and it's irrelevant if Snake need or doesn't need as many tricks.

Why would sam go up close? He's not an idiot. Would you take Snake on in close-quarter-combat?

The truth in it all is that Sam knows these techniques and he uses them very often. This isn't a contest about who has an easier time with their enemies. It's a battle between the two characters. And Sam owns the technique department, which is the most vital one in at least the 1st fight. It's a matter of who discovers the other one first, and given Snake's inferior technique, I am saying Sam.

Stop repeating your shit then. Whether you like it or not Snake does even more impressive stuff without the fancy BS than Sam has to use.

Have I ever argued that Sam does more impressive stuff than Snake? I've been saying that this entire thread. Have you even read my posts?

Its to do with your going on about all Sam's great techniques he needs to do a job.

You seriously think Sam is some amateur soldier that is required stealth to survive? He's a bloody Navy Seal, Ranger, Delta Force, Force Recon and good old fashion US Marine.

Sam uses stealth because he's damn good at it. Snake doesn't use stealth because he's damn good at not needing it. Merely because Sam prefere the hide-and-seek approach over Snake's seek-and-destroy approach, doesn't mean he's not worth anything.

Sam has the adequate accuracy to nail Snake from a great distance in a single shot. If Snake reveal himself (Which he will, since he's a mobile stealth agent), he will drop dead. If Sam see Snake first, Snake WILL drop.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Stop repeating how Snake "doesn't need" as much technique as Sam. He's going up against someone who is far more adept in stealth techniques than anyone he has (to my knowledge) ever fought. Sam's not the common villains that Snake go up against, and it's irrelevant if Snake need or doesn't need as many tricks.

Why would sam go up close? He's not an idiot. Would you take Snake on in close-quarter-combat?

The truth in it all is that Sam knows these techniques and he uses them very often. This isn't a contest about who has an easier time with their enemies. It's a battle between the two characters. And Sam owns the technique department, which is the most vital one in at least the 1st fight. It's a matter of who discovers the other one first, and given Snake's inferior technique, I am saying Sam. [/B]

She has a point here. This is a stealth battle and I believe Sam's satcom will even out the odds on Snake's invisible suit.

Anyway, in a stealth battle a single shot, explosive, gas mine/ grenade is all it takes. The margin of error is very small for Snake and Sam has better skill/experience at remaining efficient in these types of situations. That's why I give him the slight edge.

In CQC Snake will take it, his boss fights attest to this, but with Sam boss fights and gun fights aren't likely to occur. A momentary distraction (noise emitters?) and the contest could be over. It only takes a single attempt.

Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]You seriously think Sam is some amateur soldier that is required stealth to survive? He's a bloody Navy Seal, Ranger, Delta Force, Force Recon and good old fashion US Marine.

Sam uses stealth because he's damn good at it. Snake doesn't use stealth because he's damn good at not needing it. Merely because Sam prefere the hide-and-seek approach over Snake's seek-and-destroy approach, doesn't mean he's not worth anything.

Sam has the adequate accuracy to nail Snake from a great distance in a single shot. If Snake reveal himself (Which he will, since he's a mobile stealth agent), he will drop dead. If Sam see Snake first, Snake WILL drop. [/B]

Its late and I'm bored so I will do some more research and continue tomorrow. But I'm not saying hes not worth anything, hes damn good but Snake is too good that's all.

All Snake needs after all is a box and the ability to tap on walls lol.

Originally posted by FeelGood
Its late and I'm bored so I will do some more research and continue tomorrow. But I'm not saying hes not worth anything, hes damn good but Snake is too good that's all.

All Snake needs after all is a box and the ability to tap on walls lol.

Too good for what? mmm

To good to be snuck up on for starters.

Originally posted by FeelGood
To good to be snuck up on for starters.

Same can be said for Sam.

Accept that's not true. 😖hifty: