Despero vs Thanos

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now I have to get you together. First off, Thanos has some use of Tech and Prep to fight Champion.

Simply the tech he always has in his disposal. And Thanos was controlling the fight all the time, he did not have any trouble against Champion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thor wasn't in his right mind and didn't use any of his battle skill to fight thanos. He would have cremed thanos with the PG if he was in his right mind. As evident that thanos couldn't even beat Champion with the PG. now imagine thor with it. That argument doesn't stand.

So, we were talking about strength and durability here. Captain Marvel, Superman and Wonder Woman sure as hell did not use any skill against Despero either. Fact is, Thanos's strength and durability matched Thor + Power Gem + Warrior Madness. Punch to punch, toe to toe. Which sure as hell gets him higher then Despero.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos also had prep to fight Tyrant. He was even using morgs power to help him in his fight. Nice try tho.

Don't know what the hell you are smoking, but Thanos defenitely did not steal Morg's powers on Cosmic Powers #5, issue directly before CP #6, where Thanos fights Tyrant. Morg leaves in CP #5 as he is freed from Tyrant's control. He still has his powers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm not impressed with thanos fighting professor hulk, or thing.

Not just fighting them, totally owning them.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your not even realizing Despero wasn't even in his own body when he was handing the JLA and JSA thier asses. In his own body, he is a match for thanos. Please go read some Despero.

So, what impressive stuff has he done in his own body? Did he destroy a planet? Happen to fight a skyfather level being? Own herald level guys with few punches?

i didn't want to get into this one, but I need to point something out. You cannot compare Silver Surfer to Superman. Surfer outclasses Supes, it's a fact. Surfer has unlimited energy and far higher feats. Thanos punks people like Surfer easily. Beating the JLA isn't equivalent to standing up to Odin, fighting off whole squads of people like that Drax, thor, etc battle. Thanos isn't on Tyrant's level, but he was able to stalemate him with morg's power, which no one else was able to do. Thanos will definitely have to work for it, but he'll eventually win. Thanos 8/10. Dead even is possible but only if Despero gets his original body and Thanos doesn't get his 2nd upgrade. Thanos at his current best is just too strong for Despero.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Simply the tech he always has in his disposal. And Thanos was controlling the fight all the time, he did not have any trouble against Champion.

So, we were talking about strength and durability here. Captain Marvel, Superman and Wonder Woman sure as hell did not use any skill against Despero either. Fact is, Thanos's strength and durability matched Thor + Power Gem + Warrior Madness. Punch to punch, toe to toe. Which sure as hell gets him higher then Despero.

Don't know what the hell you are smoking, but Thanos defenitely did not steal Morg's powers on Cosmic Powers #5, issue directly before CP #6, where Thanos fights Tyrant. Morg leaves in CP #5 as he is freed from Tyrant's control. He still has his powers.

Not just fighting them, totally owning them.

So, what impressive stuff has he done in his own body? Did he destroy a planet? Happen to fight a skyfather level being? Own herald level guys with few punches?

What impressive feat has Thanos done on his own without some tech or prep? HMM? Thanos had the Orb of power when he fought Tyrant. WM thor isn't any stronger than Regular thor. And DRax before he got the PG was nearly as strong. The PG only gives the user Unlimited stamina and the ability to draw more and more strength. Not infinite strength. Thanos didn't stand up to any more than he would had he been fighting an insane Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
i didn't want to get into this one, but I need to point something out. You cannot compare Silver Surfer to Superman. Surfer outclasses Supes, it's a fact. Surfer has unlimited energy and far higher feats. Thanos punks people like Surfer easily. Beating the JLA isn't equivalent to standing up to Odin, fighting off whole squads of people like that Drax, thor, etc battle. Thanos isn't on Tyrant's level, but he was able to stalemate him with morg's power, which no one else was able to do. Thanos will definitely have to work for it, but he'll eventually win. Thanos 8/10. Dead even is possible but only if Despero gets his original body and Thanos doesn't get his 2nd upgrade. Thanos at his current best is just too strong for Despero.

It would seem, to some, Thanos is just too strong for everyone. I have a different Opinion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos didn't stand up to any more than he would had he been fighting an insane Savage Hulk.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, you just said yesterday(at least I think it was yesterday) that Thanos has never had a showing you considered as impressive as going up against the "Savage" version of the Hulk.

I dont think Thanos could beat a SAvage hulk either if he was at an insane lvl. . Hulk would eventually get too strong. I dont think anyone in comics can beat A savage hulk if he wasnt' knocked out quick. With that being said, Thanos beat Thor before Thor had gotten Too strong. Just as Thanos would beat A savage hulk before he got too strong.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What impressive feat has Thanos done on his own without some tech or prep? HMM? Thanos had the Orb of power when he fought Tyrant. WM thor isn't any stronger than Regular thor. And DRax before he got the PG was nearly as strong. The PG only gives the user Unlimited stamina and the ability to draw more and more strength. Not infinite strength. Thanos didn't stand up to any more than he would had he been fighting an insane Savage Hulk.

Haha, what?

First of all, Orb of Power only enchanced the intensity of his blasts, hence he fired them through it. It did not affect his strength or his durability.

Second of all, WM increases Thor's power. And you really don't know what Power Gem is, do you? It gives the wearer UNLIMITED strength. It has been made to power the other gems with its UNLIMITED power. With WM and Power Gem, Thor was able to defeat Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Gamora, Maxam and Drax ON THE SAME TIME. Insane Savage Hulk could not do that, no matter how you try to bullshit your way out of it.

Thus far, Despero's durability seems to suck. Tear gas, Superman's heat vision, spear thrown by Aquaman, sharks, Hawkman's blow...all those have hurt him.

And Thanos has done all his feats with nothing more then his usual equipment and powers. His bionics are part of him. He fought Odin without anything, defeated Thor with two blasts without anything, fought WM/PG Thor without anything, defeated Kosmos without anything, absorbed Universe level power without anything, owned Silver Surfer without anything, downed Drax with one blast without anything...want me to go on?

Thanos simply is more powerful then Despero. A simple fact that you can't change. Not only he is stronger and WAY more durable then Despero, he only needs couple of blasts to finish him off, or just matter manipulate him to something. Or absorb his life force.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Haha, what?

First of all, Orb of Power only enchanced the intensity of his blasts, hence he fired them through it. It did not affect his strength or his durability.

Second of all, WM increases Thor's power. And you really don't know what Power Gem is, do you? It gives the wearer UNLIMITED strength. It has been made to power the other gems with its UNLIMITED power. With WM and Power Gem, Thor was able to defeat Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Gamora, Maxam and Drax ON THE SAME TIME. Insane Savage Hulk could not do that, no matter how you try to bullshit your way out of it.

Thus far, Despero's durability seems to suck. Tear gas, Superman's heat vision, spear thrown by Aquaman, sharks, Hawkman's blow...all those have hurt him.

And Thanos has done all his feats with nothing more then his usual equipment and powers. His bionics are part of him. He fought Odin without anything, defeated Thor with two blasts without anything, fought WM/PG Thor without anything, defeated Kosmos without anything, absorbed Universe level power without anything, owned Silver Surfer without anything, downed Drax with one blast without anything...want me to go on?

Thanos simply is more powerful then Despero. A simple fact that you can't change. Not only he is stronger and WAY more durable then Despero, he only needs couple of blasts to finish him off, or just matter manipulate him to something.

The PG does NOT GIVE THE USER unlimted strength. I'm so sorry u have ur info wrong. Moondragon even said what it does. It gives the User the ability to tap into it's power and keep tapping for more and more. Also The fight With Tyrant, where on panel does it say the orb didn't increase his strength or durability? Thanos could have blasted Tyrant with more than Morgs power if he just wanted to blast. Of course savage hulk couldn't defeat all of them. Lot's of people say they jobbed to Thor. But also, Savage hulk doesn't have the speed or other powers Thor has, backed by the PG. So YOur argument is defunct on that end. Thanos likely wins this. But it's not an easy fight for him at all. Please dont' make it like it is.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The PG does NOT GIVE THE USER unlimted strength. I'm so sorry u have ur info wrong. Moondragon even said what it does. It gives the User the ability to tap into it's power and keep tapping for more and more. Also The fight With Tyrant, where on panel does it say the orb didn't increase his strength or durability? Thanos could have blasted Tyrant with more than Morgs power if he just wanted to blast. Of course savage hulk couldn't defeat all of them. Lot's of people say they jobbed to Thor. But also, Savage hulk doesn't have the speed or other powers Thor has, backed by the PG. So YOur argument is defunct on that end. Thanos likely wins this. But it's not an easy fight for him at all. Please dont' make it like it is.

"Where did it state that the Orb didn't increase his strength or durability?"

Tell me, where did it state that it DID? Because, from the scans, it really looks like it only increased the intensity of Thanos' blasts.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The PG does NOT GIVE THE USER unlimted strength. I'm so sorry u have ur info wrong. Moondragon even said what it does. It gives the User the ability to tap into it's power and keep tapping for more and more.

And more, and more, INFINITELY. It's power never ends, thus it is unlimited.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also The fight With Tyrant, where on panel does it say the orb didn't increase his strength or durability?

Because it did not show that it increased anything else then blast power?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos could have blasted Tyrant with more than Morgs power if he just wanted to blast. Of course savage hulk couldn't defeat all of them. Lot's of people say they jobbed to Thor. But also, Savage hulk doesn't have the speed or other powers Thor has, backed by the PG. So YOur argument is defunct on that end.

Ah, so they jobbed, but JLA/JSA never jobs to Despero. OK. Because hanging from your enemys neck like a dumbass isn't jobbing.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos likely wins this. But it's not an easy fight for him at all. Please dont' make it like it is.

Yeah, it is easy fight. Despero has no way of defending against Thanos's superior power. I say it again.

Not only he is stronger and WAY more durable then Despero, he only needs couple of blasts to finish him off, or just matter manipulate him to something. Or absorb his life force.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And more, and more, INFINITELY. It's power never ends, thus it is unlimited.

Because it did not show that it increased anything else then blast power?

Ah, so they jobbed, but JLA/JSA never jobs to Despero. OK.

Yeah, it is easy fight. Despero has no way of defending against Thanos's superior power. I say it again.

Not only he is stronger and WAY more durable then Despero, he only needs couple of blasts to finish him off, or just matter manipulate him to something. Or absorb his life force.

If despero were able to be transmuted, don't you think The JLA or JSA would have done that? Alan can do that with the starheart magic. You think a couple of blast are goign to put despero down when they had to use the power of Johnny sorrow to actually beat despero. Which is completely out of Thanos' power set. He isn't ****ing with the power of Johnny Sorrow's face. Despero also has the nifty trick of just getting another body. the stronger the body, the stronger he is. I'd say Thanos would have a time fighting anyone who can own the JLA and JSA at the same time. To say otherwise is pure fanboyism. Unless you think Thanos could own all of them easilY. I think Thanos would have a hard time with just the JLA not to mention the JSA as well. Thanos wins a slim majority due to his Skill and cosmic manipulation. BUt I really don't remember him doing much with it besides blasting.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If despero were able to be transmuted, don't you think The JLA or JSA would have done that? Alan can do that with the starheart magic. You think a couple of blast are goign to put despero down when they had to use the power of Johnny sorrow to actually beat despero. Which is completely out of Thanos' power set. He isn't ****ing with the power of Johnny Sorrow's face. Despero also has the nifty trick of just getting another body. the stronger the body, the stronger he is. I'd say Thanos would have a time fighting anyone who can own the JLA and JSA at the same time. To say otherwise is pure fanboyism. Unless you think Thanos could own all of them easilY. I think Thanos would have a hard time with just the JLA not to mention the JSA as well. Thanos wins a slim majority due to his Skill and cosmic manipulation. BUt I really don't remember him doing much with it besides blasting.

Did JLA or JSA ever try to matter manipulate him? No.

MOOT POINT!

As for Thanos's blasts, yes, they will take Despero down. With amazing, laughable ease. If Superman's heat vision pierces him, imagine what this will do.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1365/energy291ol2.jpg

Oh, and could Thanos defeat Cap Marvel, Wonder Woman, Superman, Power Girl and others if they would fight the way they fought Despero?

Yeah, he could. Simply by blasting them to oblivion...
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9541/energy17gd7.jpg

Or by beating their faces in.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6044/fight174kv3.jpg

Because they were, you know, fighting like idiots.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Did JLA or JSA ever try to matter manipulate him? No.

MOOT POINT!

As for Thanos's blasts, yes, they will take Despero down. With amazing, laughable ease. If Superman's heat vision pierces him, imagine what this will do.
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1365/energy291ol2.jpg

Superman's heat vision also killed thousands of Doomsdays. So of course it can hurt him. Superman has also increased in strength greatly. He does so over time. Please stop acting as if Thanos would have an easy time of Beating despero when he clearly wouldn't. And please post scans of Thanos Turning someone of Despero's power into something. Despero's Tk is very poewrful. he could use it to block. Or do you think he's just going to stand there like a tard while thanos tries to blast him. The JLA are considered Herald lvl beings. You dont' beat someone who can take multiple Heralds at one time very easily. Hell even morg was able to knock thanos over. I guess the IW and surfer were fighting like Idiots as well when Thor beat them. I guess Odin was fighting like an Idiot when he fought Thanos. You know the same odin that beat surtur couldn't just wipe thanos from existance. It's alot of people fighting like idiots in comics if you ask me.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman's heat vision also killed thousands of Doomsdays. So of course it can hurt him. Superman has also increased in strength greatly. He does so over time. Please stop acting as if Thanos would have an easy time of Beating despero when he clearly wouldn't. And please post scans of Thanos Turning someone of Despero's power into something. Despero's Tk is very poewrful. he could use it to block. Or do you think he's just going to stand there like a tard while thanos tries to blast him. The JLA are considered Herald lvl beings. You dont' beat someone who can take multiple Heralds at one time very easily. Hell even morg was able to knock thanos over.

The JLA are not considered Herald level beings. To be herald level being, you need to have power equivalent of Power Cosmic, which means that you can transmute stuff, teleport around, rearrange matter, shoot powerful blasts, have telepathy, faster then light speed and other stuff. JLA has very few members who do that all, and none who attacked Despero were Heralds. Sorry.

Superman's heat vision only killed weaker Doomsday copies. Even freaking Batman was able to took few of them out.

It doesn't matter how powerful you are, you still have molecules and they can be transmuted. As long as you can't matter manipulate stuff yourself, you can't help against it.

Despero telekinesis isn't going to stand against blasts that downed Galactus.

Hell, even Aquaman was able to knock Despero over.

Your turn.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I dont think Thanos could beat a SAvage hulk either if he was at an insane lvl. . Hulk would eventually get too strong. I dont think anyone in comics can beat A savage hulk if he wasnt' knocked out quick. With that being said, Thanos beat Thor before Thor had gotten Too strong. Just as Thanos would beat A savage hulk before he got too strong.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The JLA are not considered Herald level beings. To be herald level being, you need to have power equivalent of Power Cosmic, which means that you can transmute stuff, teleport around, rearrange matter, shoot powerful blasts, have telepathy, faster then light speed and other stuff. JLA has very few members who do that all, and none who attacked Despero were Heralds. Sorry.

Superman's heat vision only killed weaker Doomsday copies. Even freaking Batman was able to took few of them out.

It doesn't matter how powerful you are, you still have molecules and they can be transmuted. As long as you can't matter manipulate stuff yourself, you can't help against it.

Despero telekinesis isn't going to stand against blasts that downed Galactus.

Hell, even Aquaman was able to knock Despero over.

Your turn.

First off, You dont' need all of those powers to be considered Herald lvl. Hell the freaking herald don't even use all those powers. Most of them just use thier signature powers. MOrg uses his ax, Terrax uses his earth ability and ax, Fire lord uses his fire. Please get off the herald high horse. Ur argument about not being able to resist matter manipulation is hogwash as well. many beings who cannot manipulate matter are resistant to it. IE, The HULK, WW, Superman, Gladiator, and so on. Thanos' blast did not Own galactus. please come out of your dream. Galactus handily got up and kicked thanos' ass. Thanos got a good shot in becuz he caught big G off guard. But please don't use galactus. He's gotten hurt by less than Thanos. Nice try. Your turn.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes but you JUST said that it was the same as fighting and insane Savage Hulk.

Yeah, You have to catch them before they get too strong. It's already evident that thanos cant' hang with someone on Champion strength lvl. Remember Champion Already is Uber Uber Top of the line in strenght. So his base strength already starts rediculous. WIth the PG, he was already too high for thanos. Neither Hulk nor Thor start out that high. Thanos had plenty of time to fight Thor. If Thanos Fought hulk, ANd Hulk was at the point of clappin cosmos, then no, Thanos won't win.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yeah, You have to catch them before they get too strong. It's already evident that thanos cant' hang with someone on Champion strength lvl. Remember Champion Already is Uber Uber Top of the line in strenght. So his base strength already starts rediculous. WIth the PG, he was already too high for thanos. Neither Hulk nor Thor start out that high. Thanos had plenty of time to fight Thor. If Thanos Fought hulk, ANd Hulk was at the point of clappin cosmos, then no, Thanos won't win.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He could if he was amped up to a similar level on cosmic energy. What your talking about is comparing Thanos's base level of strength, to other characters enhanced level of strength. Hulk(with ample enragement), could also KO Darkseid or Despero if they were just standing there.

Of course you know what I think about that. If the hulk is sufficiantly Strong, it would take someone with an infinite well of power to be able to Ko him. SOmeone like PC superman or something like that. Thanos doesn't have infinite power and I can't see him constantly amping his strength for ever. It's not in his power set. If it was, he wouldn't have needed morgs power for his tyrant fight. On a side note, Where does it say Thanos can amp his strength with his power? I have never seen that. And how can he amp it infinitely when EVEn odin said he only had a near infinite well of dark power. I didn't even know thanos had dark power.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

Yeah, he could. Simply by blasting them to oblivion...
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9541/energy17gd7.jpg

This wasn't Thanos. It was a clone.

And he was amped by the terraforming thing. Thats why he was so big.