Originally posted by PhilosophíaIt would mean that a character is, for all intents and purposes, indestructible, given that a black hole is the maximum amount of energy/mass which can be concentrated in one spot. If that doesn't get ya, nothing else should.
Black Holes are for the most part in comics used as plot-devices to raise a character's stock dramatically and make fanboys go 'lookaatthat!!!1'. They are rarely portrayed they way they are supposed to because for the most part, if a character survives inside of/passing through one relativly unharmed they should be, for all intents and purposes, laughing at attacks from most of the other comic characters.
A few years back I was curious about a lot of what superduper characters' powers meant if translated into real numbers. It was quite an eye-opener.
Originally posted by EnyalusGalactus was also very weakened when he was rampaging on earth during the devourer mini. Remember a weakened Galactus in annihilation. He changed the tide of the war. Don't underestimate a weakened Galactus.
Context, homie. Galactus was just weakened from going 12 rounds with Ego.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He has a long stored history, but it's in character for Thor to beat his opponent into submission while I wouldn't say the same for the Surfer. I showed you up with a scan of exactly the same situation while Surfer was trying to call off Terrax.Yes, he was going all out. The Surfer made that declaration and got stopped and very quickly I might add. We don't need abc logic here as we have a direct comparison.
That isn't the same as just giving up his powers like the Surfer tried to do.
That's a rare occasion while we have the Surfer not killing Thanos. That might be the only situation where Surfer could ever hope to beat Thanos and he couldn't seal the deal. Shame.
I disagree, he described how easily this can happen and was also referring to himself.
Morg only understands might and brutality.
Pis is a subjective term. You and I disagree what is pis. No surprise here as you are a huge Surfer fan. I am here to broaden your mind.
Thor is the better warrior and as for the thread the more powerful of the two.
Of course it's in character for Thor to beat his opponent into submission, but it's also in character for Surfer to do the same. And if all we're doing is talking about beating them into submission, I could list plenty of examples.
And Thor made the declaration that Surfer nearly killed him with a warning blast. If he jumped off his board then he wasn't going all out, it's just that simple.
Matter of opinion.
You came up with one instance of Thor wanting to kill in cold blood so did I. Of course he didn't the universe would have likely been destroyed(Surfer said as much).
He never mentioned healing himself, you're speculating.
Subjective or not, it's still a rule. If you want to debate whether or not it's PIS I have no problem doing so, but that means that you'll have to address the things outside that fight that indicate it's PIS. Refusing to discuss it is a far cry from proving your case.
Yes and no.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And Thor made the declaration that Surfer nearly killed him with a warning blast. If he jumped off his board then he wasn't going all out, it's just that simple..
And anyone in their right mind knows that the Surfer cannot kill Thor with a warning blast.
Do you dare to dispute this?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't think he was being literal. Nowhere in the arc was he described as getting more powerful due to his mental stability. The only time he was amping himself was when he was using the power gem. Surfer has always been but a minor nuisance to Galactus while not the case with Thor and his most powerful attack.
Galactus is being written differently now than he used to be. Also, how much damage could some who uses the Power Cosmic really deal against someone who IS the Power Cosmic?
Thor was a minor nuisance to a celestial even when he used his strongest attack to the extent where it shatters his hammer even when hitting the most vulnerable part of that Celestial. Are you saying Celestial >> Galactus now?
Also, people keep downplaying the Black Hole feat, let me just say is that it is like comparing hurricanes and lasers and just leave it at that before it becomes a circular discussion again. 😛
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What's the point in comparing Celestials to Galactus?Thor's ****ed them both up 313
Wait... when has he ever even registered an "annoy" to a Celestial? 😛 scans pls. Cuz I have the comics where Thor fought the Celestials and he didn't even make them budge from where they stood.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wait... when has he ever even registered an "annoy" to a Celestial? 😛 scans pls. Cuz I have the comics where Thor fought the Celestials and he didn't even make them budge from where they stood.
Exitar must be pretty difficult to annoy if he does notice someone punching a hole in his head, climbing in and then exploding his headpiece.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Exitar must be pretty difficult to annoy if he does notice someone punching a hole in his head, climbing in and then exploding his headpiece.
I have that issue, he punched a hole in the Celestial's armor (not a hard feat as even IW has done it) and used a belt of strength-amped Godblast to puncture the membrane casing "protecting" the Celestial's brain (shattering his hammer in the process).
This didn't bother the Celestial at all and it was written more as to show the futility of Thor's actions against one. 😛 really, if you're read that comic, you should know better.
Edit. To clarify, the BOS didn't amp the Godblast, per se, but was used only to protect Mjolnir cuz of the insane amount of Lifeforce Thor was gonna put into his attack. Didn't work, tho, as Mjolnir still shattered after the Godblast.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I have that issue, he punched a hole in the Celestial's armor (not a hard feat as even IW has done it) and used a belt of strength-amped Godblast to puncture the membrane casing "protecting" the Celestial's brain (shattering his hammer in the process).This didn't bother the Celestial at all and it was written more as to show the futility of Thor's actions against one. 😛 really, if you're read that comic, you should know better.
Edit. To clarify, the BOS didn't amp the Godblast, per se, but was used only to protect Mjolnir cuz of the insane amount of Lifeforce Thor was gonna put into his attack. Didn't work, tho, as Mjolnir still shattered after the Godblast.
I've read the ****ing comic, son.
The Celestials are naturally unaffected by anything, since they seem to exist in multiple places in time. Thor was able to mess up it's headpiece regardless. If he travelled to Tiamut, he WOULD be able to get inside his skull and ruin things.
Originally posted by darthgooberThor charges into battle with a smile on his face while the Surfer does it reluctantly. It all boils down to Thor being a warrior while the Surfer is a pacifist. It's that simple.
Of course it's in character for Thor to beat his opponent into submission, but it's also in character for Surfer to do the same. And if all we're doing is talking about beating them into submission, I could list plenty of examples.And Thor made the declaration that Surfer nearly killed him with a warning blast. If he jumped off his board then he wasn't going all out, it's just that simple.
Matter of opinion.
You came up with one instance of Thor wanting to kill in cold blood so did I. Of course he didn't the universe would have likely been destroyed(Surfer said as much).
He never mentioned healing himself, you're speculating.
Subjective or not, it's still a rule. If you want to debate whether or not it's PIS I have no problem doing so, but that means that you'll have to address the things outside that fight that indicate it's PIS. Refusing to discuss it is a far cry from proving your case.
Yes and no.
It another arc that has nothing to do when we actually got to see them both go all out on each other. Thor dominated the Surfer, twice.
You are just whining about the Surfer losing and are looking for anyway to ignore his words and find an excuse as to call this fight pis.
If that's what you have to tell yourself.
I also came up with a situation where Thor wanted to kill a beaten opponent while the Surfer wanted to spare Morg's life. The reason is because the Surfer thought it was wrong and doesn't have the killer instinct at all. Thor is a warrior born and understands perfectly well the parameters of battle.
Thor has also like I said beaten the Surfer so badly Warlock had to cart him off to save both of their lives in a handicap battle with Thor. That's how badly he owned the Surfer.
Here is a little treat with how much resolve Thor has. Don't ever try to compare the two of them again in that regard either.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-526-024-17.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Thor_vol2-526-024-18.jpg
You are trying to force your interpretation onto me. He was showing him how easily he can heal his board and himself.
Surfer lost. Point blank. He also had another crack at Thor with Warlock and he still lost.
Pis is still subjective and since you are a huge Surfer mark you want to argue pis. The whole arc was out to establish how much of a problem Thor was when mentally unbalanced and out of control. Surfer is nothing to Thor in that mindset. He threw mercy out the window.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Digi, Thor utterly annihilated the Surfer. He crushed the Surfer on his own and then later demoralized him alongside warlock. They both went running for the hills.I don't think a fight would always end in such a decisive manner, but let's look at the facts here. Thor has done better against Galactus, Thanos, etc. and when you couple that with his blood and thunder showing I think the case for Thor is a helluva lot more solid than a case for the Surfer.
Face the facts?
Did you make this thread for discussion, or just to tell everyone that Thor's better?
And on top of that, when SS and Thor 'fought' in Blood and Thunder, Surfer didn't even fight back. He was trying to save Thor, not beat him.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/SilverSurferv3086_19.jpg
Norrin is -not- holding back.
