Originally posted by darthgooberMy point has always been that the Surfer has had his mercy cost him in the very same battle against Skaar.
Wait so your one example proves that Thor's willing to kill in cold blood? In that case, Surfer "killed" a beaten and helpless Mephisto at one point(it turned out Meph faked his death, but Surfer didn't know that at the time).And you're saying that all the writers who've written Thor vs Hulk, Wonder Man, or Firelord as well as the writer who had Thor admit that Surfer nearly killed with a warning blast don't cut it and you will ignore all of it and write all of it off. Who's trying to throw out more evidence?
Thor was insane at the time. That's not a reflection of his resolve in a normal state.
Hasn't Thor given up the power of the Runes and the Odin Power?
Sure he would. He even commented on how he would enjoy nothing more than killing Thanos, but without Thanos the universe would be destroyed.
He fixed his board he didn't heal himself. Fixing his board is what Surfer illustrated the distinction between them. Morg destroys things, Surfer can fix things.
I'm not running, I'm countering it with everything else about both characters.
I am not saying to ignore it at all. I don't like ignoring anything. It is certainly admissible as is blood and thunder. We saw them both going all out on each other since this and it clearly showed Thor to be the Surfer's superior.
He has always had the same battle fervor. Look at his battles with the Hulk while quite sane. He loses himself in the midst of battle despite being sane or insane.
To return to life and he couldn't be written at those power levels. The only reason he gave up the odinpower was to fix his hammer to save Sif's life. The reason the Surfer wanted to give up his pc was just to give it up not to save anyone's life.
Surfer wouldn't have done so. Like I said he even lets brutal killers like Morg off the hook. 99 percent of the time he lets them live, despite their transgressions.
I disagree. I feel he healed his board along with himself. They do represent polar opposites and for that reason and the Surfer's versatility and experience he got the win over the brutal Morg.
When you cry pis that's called running.
You still haven't mentioned any feats comparing to the godblast thus conceding Thor's superiority in overall power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My point has always been that the Surfer has had his mercy cost him in the very same battle against Skaar.I am not saying to ignore it at all. I don't like ignoring anything. It is certainly admissible as is blood and thunder. We saw them both going all out on each other since this and it clearly showed Thor to be the Surfer's superior.
He has always had the same battle fervor. Look at his battles with the Hulk while quite sane. He loses himself in the midst of battle despite being sane or insane.
To return to life and he couldn't be written at those power levels. The only reason he gave up the odinpower was to fix his hammer to save Sif's life. The reason the Surfer wanted to give up his pc was just to give it up not to save anyone's life.
Surfer wouldn't have done so. Like I said he even lets brutal killers like Morg off the hook. 99 percent of the time he lets them live, despite their transgressions.
I disagree. I feel he healed his board along with himself. They do represent polar opposites and for that reason and the Surfer's versatility and experience he got the win over the brutal Morg.
When you cry pis that's called running.
You still haven't mentioned any feats comparing to the godblast thus conceding Thor's superiority in overall power.
Wasn't actually going all out, made evident by the fact Surfer jumped off his board. Surfer's got better showings against Hulk, Wonder Man, and Firelord. All of them were portrayed as being right on par with Thor, and all of them were portrayed as being less powerful than the Surfer.
Thor gave up his hammer to Masterson so he could settle down with Sif.
Sure he would have. And as I pointed out, he "killed" Mephisto.
Surfer specifically mentioned healing the board as demonstrating the difference. He didn't say anything about healing himself(except in the round about way of healing his board as an extension of himself).
No that's called following the rules. If you can't debate within a structure... well that's your hang up. Whining because the rule exist and is in effect won't change the fact that it IS and DOES.
I haven't conceded anything, I already covered it...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh Thor's hammer definitely has it's advantages(such as a higher capacity to absorb energy), I just don't think power output is one of them. I mean Thor's damaged an EXTREMELY weakened Galactus with his Godblast, but then again Surfer's casually created a blackhole with his energy discharge(which kinda implies a blast on par with a super nova). I have a hard time crediting Thor's feat as being outright more impressive given some of Galactus's low showings and his occasional difficulties with magic.
Why is this thread still up for debate?
Blunt Force/Striking Power - Thor. If you seen how he stood up to the Celestials then you know what I am talking about.
Energy Output - Thor. Godblast has the potential to one shoot. Barring Godblast, I am incline to give Surfer the nod.
Energy Manipulation. This is a vary close call. I am incline to give Surfer the nod, but I can easily change my mind with Thor’s elite feats as well.
Originally posted by id369
Why is this thread still up for debate?Blunt Force/Striking Power - Thor. If you seen how he stood up to the Celestials then you know what I am talking about.
Energy Output - Thor. Godblast has the potential to one shoot. Barring Godblast, I am incline to give Surfer the nod.
Energy Manipulation. This is a vary close call. I am incline to give Surfer the nod, but I can easily change my mind with Thor’s elite feats as well.
Originally posted by id369
Why is this thread still up for debate?Blunt Force/Striking Power - Thor. If you seen how he stood up to the Celestials then you know what I am talking about.
I'll have to agree here.
Originally posted by id369
Energy Output - Thor. Godblast has the potential to one shoot. Barring Godblast, I am incline to give Surfer the nod.
You'll need to compare the output of a Godblast vs the power of a Black hole, tho. Like I said, the Godblast can hurt anything and anybody but is yet to show that it can create the wanton destruction a black hole can do over an extended period. Kinda like comparing an extremely powerful laser to a typhoon.
Originally posted by id369
Energy Manipulation. This is a vary close call. I am incline to give Surfer the nod, but I can easily change my mind with Thor’s elite feats as well.
Surfer gets the definitive nod here. It's not by a large margin but enough to be decisive.
I always saw the two as equally as powerful, Thor can hit single targets better but Surfer has shown that he can do better multiple target (area of effect) damage than Thor can. Thor is a much better fighter and the nature of his abilities will give him the win in a 1v1 vs the Surfer. But if it's power we're talking about, I'll say about equal or too close to call.
Originally posted by Mindsetwhich is kinda f-ked up...considering if Thor aimed a godblast at Earth, he may destroy a mountain or so, maybe create a huge crater
Godblast > BlackholeA Celestial or Galactus isn't going to be bothered by a blackhole, SS isn't even bothered by a black hole.
if Surfer created a blackhole near earth, the entire planet would crumble and be sucked into it
the blackhole's effect would be far more devastating than a godblast
but comic blackholes are weak stuff
It's not the blackhole itself that's so impressive, it's the blast that caused it. According to Skeets that was a big black hole, that kinda implies a blast along the lines of a supernova. And let's face it, Galactus has been hurt by far less when he was extremely weakened like he was against Thor's Godblast.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Later it was decided by Odin not to be warrior's madness. He was just crazy.
I hate Imageshack... 😠
Originally posted by Mindset
Godblast > BlackholeA Celestial or Galactus isn't going to be bothered by a blackhole, SS isn't even bothered by a black hole.
Like I said, it's like comparing a powerful laser against a typhoon.
A laser would be able to cut through and damage most heavy allows out there while a Typhoon's power is expressed in the level of devestation it leaves in its wake while being unable to even scratch certain heavy allows. Which is more powerful? Well, that's for everyone here to decide...
Originally posted by D_Dude1210This is a tempting comparison because it does bring up a good point. The problem with it, IMO, is that a laser is not a natural phenomenon which can give an average 'sheer wattage' estimation. For what it's worth, a laser powerful enough to take out a missile or burn through diamond is typically less than a megawatt. Whereas the power of hurricanes and typhoons can rival those of atomic bombs, ie, 100s of megawatts.
Like I said, it's like comparing a powerful laser against a typhoon.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeThis is a fairly straightforward definition of what 'more powerful' could mean in this thread (or as I like to put it, 'sheer wattage'😉. For me, Thor's most impressive (if annoyingly so) brute force feat was the Godblast which chased off / hurt Galactus. Problem: we don't know how weak ol' Purple Skirt was at the time. Still, it's something that the Surfer has not been able to do (afaik) -- though IMO at times he should've been able to, given that others have (eg, Invisible Woman). But again, Marvel may be keeping Surfer on the downside of that Master-Servant line for concept continuity.
In this scenario I imagine that they are both trying to unload on a training dummy ...
So, putting it this way: who has been able to cause the most destruction with a single blast? And here's another valid definition (I think) for defining who's more powerful: who can survive the most destruction?
Actually, a combo might be the best definition of all: which character can dish it out and take it, best?