Originally posted by quanchi112
Because she was so powerful through a freak accident she became physically real. I have no clue why anyone would really believe she physically amped him if they had read the entire story. He was figuratively drawing strength from his madness imo. Self belief is a powerful thing, but it was only through his own abilities.
Yeah, but this takes place before he made her real through the power gem. So there is no way people can claim that anyone but Thor was fighting, amplifying or whatever the hell they wanna call it.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeI understand this, but I think they believe that because they haven't read it some time and are just misinterpreting the scan. It's easy for posters to forget some details of a particular story if they have read 50 or so stories since.
Yeah, but this takes place before he made her real through the power gem. So there is no way people can claim that anyone but Thor was fighting, amplifying or whatever the hell they wanna call it.
This poster is making a false comparison based on this scan trying to compare it to true warrior's madness.
The story makes it plain as day later the only way he can amp himself is when he gets his hands on the power gem. Then he becomes an absolute team smasher.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Funny you of all people would say that. This is sooo typical of you. I have backed my claims with examples while you cling to what, really?Pis is subjective. That is a fact.
Again, I accept your concession, but since you want to discuss the rules this thread is about who is more powerful. You have derailed me, then whined about, so answer the thread question by debating.
Thor is more powerful. The godblast point blank trumps anything the Surfer's most powerful attack. If you can beat it do so but if not remain silent. 🙂
"No PIS" is still a rule, this is fact.
I have no problem debating with you so long as you're following forum rules. You wanna or not?
Again, Chess vs Checkers. Sorry if you prefer Herochat's debates, but it's how we do it over here.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah but wasn't Surfer holding back for like 99% of the fight?Also thanks for posting those scans, I just noticed a decent strength feat for Surfer on page 16.
Well, like you can see, on the scans that I posted....to which you JUST referred....he did not hold back in the latter part of the battle. Nor did he hold back when he was fighting with Adam Warlock. That's two losses when he's not holding back.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Well, like you can see, on the scans that I posted....to which you JUST referred....he did not hold back in the latter part of the battle. Nor did he hold back when he was fighting with Adam Warlock. That's two losses when he's not holding back.
And I doubt that he was still going all out when he had Warlock's help since Warlock was there to save Thor.
Originally posted by darthgoober
"Latter part of the battle"... dude there was one hit after that. Surfer said he'd been holding back but was no longer going to, Thor through his hammer and Surfer threw a blast and both missed, then Thor hit Surfer one more time with his hammer and he crash landed on the planet.And I doubt that he was still going all out when he had Warlock's help since Warlock was there to save Thor.
Surfer stops holding back around 15-16. Where he mentions "loathe to unleash my might" and the whole "Hammer mystic versus power cosmic"
It doesn't matter how many hits it took Thor to down him, because he took him down. If you think the Surfer was that weakened, go back to Thor's previous issue. COUNT the number of attacks Thor took before their fight. Thor had been fighting much longer and taken many, many more attacks than the Surfer.
Originally posted by Ambient
Right but take a look at the context of the scan, " He draws strength from the madness".. Its not WM but it still a (outside) source of strength he can draw from. Who better knows Thor strength than one who he consider a brother, equal, and had defeated him... BRBI hate Imageshack... 😠
I've seen it stated later on by Odin it wasn't true WM state with a 10 fold increase in strength. However, that scan makes it clear that there was "some" kinda of amp in strength as the scan indicates. Not true WM but some strength amp right?
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Surfer stops holding back around 15-16. Where he mentions "loathe to unleash my might" and the whole "Hammer mystic versus power cosmic"It doesn't matter how many hits it took Thor to down him, because he took him down. If you think the Surfer was that weakened, go back to Thor's previous issue. COUNT the number of attacks Thor took before their fight. Thor had been fighting much longer and taken many, many more attacks than the Surfer.
I didn't say that Thor hadn't already taken a massive beating, just that he fight had already been going on before Surfer stopped holding back. And we don't know for sure how many hits Surfer took while holding back because there's a skip in the action while Surfer's board carries BRB to safety. The two are squaring off on page 17, the comic shows BRB's being carried to safety on page 18, and then Thor's holding Surfer on the ground about to pound on him with his hammer when Surfer's board gets back on page 19 and Surfer says that he's been holding up till then but was no longer going to.